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Postby Helghast empire » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:37 am

Imeriata wrote:
Helghast empire wrote:so in WAR you rather look good with a cloth beret then be 50x more protected by using a kevlar, metal,and ceramic helmet?, at least be like imeriata where they hide their armor with clothes

the protection a helmet offers is nothing to brag about anyway as they are often only able to handle shrapnel.


well its better than wearing a beret in which shrapnel would go RIGHT past through...and what are you saying helmets can't protect against rifle bullets? that was the whole reason they were even made ( world war 1 german stahlhelm made a for a reason )

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Postby Greater-Prussia » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:38 am

Imeriata wrote:
Greater-Prussia wrote:Why is anyone but the Cavalry and Armored Cavalry wearing a Beret in the first place?

why is anyone wearing a beret in the first place?


Because berets look better than our ridiculous caps.
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Postby Dystopianus » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:40 am

New Nicksyllvania wrote:And foreigners that shoot at drummer boys are just proving they are bloodthirsty barbarians that kill children.
I am starting to think this is the reason why they are so useful. :p

*After a Nicksylanian company is killed, the remaining drummer boy charges at Dystopian soldiers, poking in their faces with his sticks, Dystopian captain says:
"Don't hurt him! Otherwise they have a perfectly valid reason to call us barbarians and that will make us look like the bad guys!"

Better than nothing, though. A company in the US apparently has managed to produce a helmet that is able to stop a 7.62x51mm NATO round. The Western Weyard ABH (Advanced Battle Helmet) is capable of that feat, too.
There was something about this on the NSDraftroom lately. The conclusion was that if a helmet would get hit by a powerful rifle cartridge, even if it does stop the bullet there is the risk of the helmet snapping of due to the momentum of the bullet. And the head it is attached to with snaps off with the helmet, causing rather messy and dangerous situations... :(
well its better than wearing a beret in which shrapnel would go RIGHT past through...and what are you saying helmets can't protect against rifle bullets? that was the whole reason they were even made ( world war 1 german stahlhelm made a for a reason )
Same story. No matter how good a helmet is armoured, there still is the risk that the head can't resist the momentum of the bullet.
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Postby Helghast empire » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:42 am

Dystopianus wrote:
New Nicksyllvania wrote:And foreigners that shoot at drummer boys are just proving they are bloodthirsty barbarians that kill children.
I am starting to think this is the reason why they are so useful. :p

*After a Nicksylanian company is killed, the remaining drummer boy charges at Dystopian soldiers, poking in their faces with his sticks, Dystopian captain says:
"Don't hurt him! Otherwise they have a perfectly valid reason to call us barbarians and that will make us look like the bad guys!"

Better than nothing, though. A company in the US apparently has managed to produce a helmet that is able to stop a 7.62x51mm NATO round. The Western Weyard ABH (Advanced Battle Helmet) is capable of that feat, too.
There was something about this on the NSDraftroom lately. The conclusion was that if a helmet would get hit by a powerful rifle cartridge, even if it does stop the bullet there is the risk of the helmet snapping of due to the momentum of the bullet. And the head it is attached to with snaps off with the helmet, causing rather messy and dangerous situations... :(
well its better than wearing a beret in which shrapnel would go RIGHT past through...and what are you saying helmets can't protect against rifle bullets? that was the whole reason they were even made ( world war 1 german stahlhelm made a for a reason )
Same story. No matter how good a helmet is armoured, there still is the risk that the head can't resist the momentum of the bullet.


better than a beret at least :P

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Postby Imeriata » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:44 am

Western Weyard wrote:Better than nothing, though.

not really as the helmets make people feel more secure and over confident while a soldier without a helmet would be more interested in keeping his head down.

Helghast empire wrote:and what are you saying helmets can't protect against rifle bullets? that was the whole reason they were even made ( world war 1 german stahlhelm made a for a reason )

rifles in those days where however not as powerful as they are today and a bullet will still snap the soldiers neck if it manages to halt the bullet.

Helghast empire wrote:better than a beret at least :P

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Postby Western Weyard » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:45 am

Dystopianus wrote:
Better than nothing, though. A company in the US apparently has managed to produce a helmet that is able to stop a 7.62x51mm NATO round. The Western Weyard ABH (Advanced Battle Helmet) is capable of that feat, too.
There was something about this on the NSDraftroom lately. The conclusion was that if a helmet would get hit by a powerful rifle cartridge, even if it does stop the bullet there is the risk of the helmet snapping of due to the momentum of the bullet. And the head it is attached to with snaps off with the helmet, causing rather messy and dangerous situations... :(

I talked to some people who happen to know a thing or two about this stuff and they all told me that this problem can be solved with a proper helmet and liner design. Bullet momentum isn't that high.
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Postby The empire of dragons » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:49 am

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Postby Khytenna » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:07 am

Greater-Prussia wrote:Why is anyone but the Cavalry and Armored Cavalry wearing a Beret in the first place?


we use helmits as well, but most of time we use Berets

Imeriata wrote:
Greater-Prussia wrote:Why is anyone but the Cavalry and Armored Cavalry wearing a Beret in the first place?

why is anyone wearing a beret in the first place?


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Postby Hood Milk » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:12 am

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Postby Dystopianus » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:13 am

Helghast empire wrote:better than a beret at least :P
Of course. Shrapnel protection and non-balistic impact protection is also useful.

why is anyone wearing a beret in the first place?

1: They are more comfortable to wear then a helmet
2: They make a unit look distinctive and important
3: They just look cool
But in all three cases helmets are more practical.
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Postby East Jordan II » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:17 am

Dystopianus wrote:
why is anyone wearing a beret in the first place?

1: They are more comfortable to wear then a helmet
2: They make a unit look distinctive and important
3: They just look cool
But in all three cases helmets are more practical.


Berets also do not block the sun, wind, rain, dust, etc... from the wearer's eyes, and are more easily knocked off by the wind.

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Postby Dystopianus » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:39 am

East Jordan II wrote:
Dystopianus wrote:1: They are more comfortable to wear then a helmet
2: They make a unit look distinctive and important
3: They just look cool
But in all three cases helmets are more practical.


Berets also do not block the sun, wind, rain, dust, etc... from the wearer's eyes, and are more easily knocked off by the wind.
Good point. You just gave me an idea for purpose-made headgear for non-combat troops; something that protects against the elements but does not obstruct the user and is cheap to make.
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OMGeverynameistaken wrote:Have you ever been in a battle where trained war kittens were unleashed on the field? Have you heard the screams of the dying as their faces were chewed off by adorable, yet deadly, swarms of kittens? No. No. You have no idea of the terror which a trained kitten squad can inflict, the horror and madness as the wall of fluffy death closes on you. I have been, I have seen. The art of the Kittenmeister is a truly terrible thing to behold

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Postby Greater-Prussia » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:39 am

Dystopianus wrote:
East Jordan II wrote:
Berets also do not block the sun, wind, rain, dust, etc... from the wearer's eyes, and are more easily knocked off by the wind.
Good point. You just gave me an idea for purpose-made headgear for non-combat troops; something that protects against the elements but does not obstruct the user and is cheap to make.


I think Americans call that a ball-cap.
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Postby Dystopianus » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:47 am

Greater-Prussia wrote:
Dystopianus wrote:Good point. You just gave me an idea for purpose-made headgear for non-combat troops; something that protects against the elements but does not obstruct the user and is cheap to make.


I think Americans call that a ball-cap.

That was the first thing that came up in my mind too, but maybe something better for in cold weather as well. Wool inserts or something lol like that. And a flap on the back which protects the neck from the sun. (From my personal experience, that part is vunerable from the sun.)
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OMGeverynameistaken wrote:Have you ever been in a battle where trained war kittens were unleashed on the field? Have you heard the screams of the dying as their faces were chewed off by adorable, yet deadly, swarms of kittens? No. No. You have no idea of the terror which a trained kitten squad can inflict, the horror and madness as the wall of fluffy death closes on you. I have been, I have seen. The art of the Kittenmeister is a truly terrible thing to behold

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Postby Torrent NET » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:51 am

If you work somewhere where you require protection from the sun on your neck, my instincts suggest you will suffer in a hat that is also wooly...

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Postby East Jordan II » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:53 am

Dystopianus wrote:
Greater-Prussia wrote:I think Americans call that a ball-cap.

That was the first thing that came up in my mind too, but maybe something better for in cold weather as well. Wool inserts or something lol like that. And a flap on the back which protects the neck from the sun. (From my personal experience, that part is vunerable from the sun.)


How's this?

Image

I think the US Army once issued a cap which essentially did look like a standard military cap with flaps to shield the ears, but I'm not sure.
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Postby Dystopianus » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:42 am

Torrent NET wrote:If you work somewhere where you require protection from the sun on your neck, my instincts suggest you will suffer in a hat that is also wooly...

Meh, I'm just drafting some weird ideas now, but I'll explain further:

There is a basic hat, sort of like a basebal cap, made out of thin nylon so it is not too warm in hot conditions. But in case headgear for in cold conditions is required, several wool flaps can be attached to the cap... I know it sounds weird, but it could work.

EDITL Ninja'd. Jordan, that was pretty much the kind of thing I had in my mind.
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Postby Crifix » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:47 am

My military uses lancers, has a ceremonial volley ball team called the bikini battalion, and scalps its enemy’s in the name of the god of atheism.

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Postby East Jordan II » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:52 am

Crifix wrote:My military uses lancers, has a ceremonial volley ball team called the bikini battalion, and scalps its enemy’s in the name of the god of atheism.


Lancers, we can almost understand. Bikini Battalion? Sounds pretty awesome, actually. The... God of Atheism? That makes no sense at all. That's downright ridiculous.

Also, perhaps you meant to say "enemies," yes?
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Postby Kyraina » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:53 am

East Jordan II wrote:
Dystopianus wrote:That was the first thing that came up in my mind too, but maybe something better for in cold weather as well. Wool inserts or something lol like that. And a flap on the back which protects the neck from the sun. (From my personal experience, that part is vunerable from the sun.)


How's this?

Image

I think the US Army once issued a cap which essentially did look like a standard military cap with flaps to shield the ears, but I'm not sure.

thats a actual military hat its still used today
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Postby East Jordan II » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:58 am

Kyraina wrote:thats a actual military hat its still used today


I know that one is, but I was talking about one my father had from when he first joined up in the eighties. It wasn't made of nylon, but the basic concept was the same.
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Postby Rain Rangers » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:02 am

East Jordan II wrote:
Kyraina wrote:thats a actual military hat its still used today


I know that one is, but I was talking about one my father had from when he first joined up in the eighties. It wasn't made of nylon, but the basic concept was the same.

i know there are sevral diffrents hats and helmets in the us military alone

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Postby Ankhbij » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:03 am

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