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The Erusean Republic
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Postby The Erusean Republic » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:47 am

Kill Union Members on TV
FYI: I am not trying to be the Erusea in Ace Combat 4. The Erusean Republic is a mixture of most nations in the Ace combat world. SO don't say Lrn2Acecombat.

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Estainia
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Postby Estainia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:49 am

Roiyaru Teikoku wrote:
Estainia wrote:
We call that being an honorable adversary. It is good to know that you are not dishonorable cowards.

Thank you, many do not understand that there can still be honor in battle and may see it as ridiculous.

We believe that there is no honor or glory in killing a man eating his meal or sleeping unawares.


Indeed not.
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The Terragon Isles
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Postby The Terragon Isles » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:06 pm

General infantry of the Terragon Isles are, time permitting, educated in...non-standard, non-conventional, combat. In addition to body-shot based training, they are also required to have a basic expertise in head shot marksmanship (Primarily with the semi-automatic setting standard on all TIRs (Terragonian Infantry Rifle)). They are additionally taught various forms of unarmed combat, including methods of escaping a grappling enemy, silencing a target, and targeting weak points on the body in order to more effectively dispatch enemies in close combat. This is in addition to extensive combat knife training (and, optionally, sword based training) required of all general infantry. Study material includes various materials relating to possible non-standard enemies one might face (including previously mentioned examples such as Alien(s), in addition to select episodes of Star Trek/Doctor Who, reading including the Zombie Survival Guide, War of the Worlds, Ender's Game, the Art of War, as well as certain others (including basic mythology)). This is in addition to basic espionage, psychology, and demolition.

Also, packets of buck thorn seeds are standard issue for any infantry being employed when circumstances permit. When engaging on protracted warfare on enemy turf, assuming winning over the local population is not an option, buck thorn seeds are to be scattered, upon command from a superior officer, across crop land and other areas of agriculture. Even if the troops are eventually driven back, the buck thorn then acts as an invasive species, quickly taking over areas met for crops, and impeding the agricultural process. Optionally, other invasive species might be implemented in areas where buck thorn would be ineffective. (General infantry are also given basic training in how to counter any given invasive species to be distributed, in an effective manner, so as to not suffer their effects if said land is retaken, and to quickly remove the impediment to local agriculture upon victory/stabilization of the area)

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Savedland
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Postby Savedland » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:34 pm

"Panic & shoot" is considered one of the most important tactics in our nations military and is taught
to new recruits from day one.
The United Federated Districts of Hevora. Or Savedland, as it is often hideously anglicized...

We are a large, free, powerful and beautiful country with a very long history that stretches back thousands upon thousands of years.

We are a union of many nations and cultures. The most dominant and shared by almost everyone is that of the Hevoran (Savedlish) People. It has its roots lying in an ancient creole culture that emerged from extensive contact between a bronze age hellenic and norse civilization which evolved convergeantly on an fictional, alternate universe Earth.

Bit weird, I know. But we're a lovely culture if you care enough to get to know us! :D

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Interstellar Britannia
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Postby Interstellar Britannia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:51 pm

Oterro wrote:
Interstellar Britannia wrote:Quite normal actually, especially in the 18th and 19th century. A buzzed soldier is more willing to expose themselves to enemy fire and listening to orders without thinking about them.

In fact Commonwealth troops were liquored up when they assaulted Normandy. I have always pitied those dry Americans at Omaha.


Not true, redcoats were given a tot of rum every day, and as they were the scum of the earth and usually alcoholics, such a small amount was not enough to get them thoroughly blootered. That being said, they tended to get shitfaced whenever they took a city when no officers were looking. I believe on the first retreat from Spain in the Penninsular war men who were to drunk to stand were simply left to the mercy of the French. Of course the French being a shower of bitter 19 year olds, they had very little mercy.


That was daily rations. In battle they were issued more prior to the battle.

And the intention was to get them buzzed, not drunk. A bit of lightheadedness rather then blurred vision that would impair combat ability

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Interstellar Britannia
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Postby Interstellar Britannia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:53 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
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No ****? That's not ridiculous, that's SOP.

Aside from the Banzai Charges? Hm.

Oh right, we still deploy flame throwers; and an armored vehicle in the symbolence of such. [That is to say, yes, we built a tank armed with a flame cannon.]

The rediculous part isn't that his generals don't wear rank insignia, it is that they are on the battlefield in the first place.


All the Best Generals fight on the Battlefield or have fought in them as a commanding officer during their careers, without exception.

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Interstellar Britannia
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Postby Interstellar Britannia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:55 pm

Helghast empire wrote:
Roiyaru Teikoku wrote:Thank you, many do not understand that there can still be honor in battle and may see it as ridiculous.

We believe that there is no honor or glory in killing a man eating his meal or sleeping unawares.


well sure it is an unfair advantage when they're eating or sleeping, but even if you don't kill them what are you going to do? stand there and watch them? when they're done, it's not like the enemy will be all friendly to you either, if you don't kill them at least capture or arrest them ( and let them eat ), i can't believe you would trust the enemy like that, sure it's honorable but come on, you think they're going to just let you watch them eat?


If you treat your opponent with respect and dignity, they, if they are men of character and decency, will return the favour right back at you for the benefit of everyone involved.

If they do not, then your men can rest assured in moral superiority that they face bloodthirsty degenerates.

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Interstellar Britannia
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Postby Interstellar Britannia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:05 pm

Altamirus wrote:
Interstellar Britannia wrote:
If you treat your opponent with respect and dignity, they, if they are men of character and decency, will return the favour right back at you for the benefit of everyone involved.

If they do not, then your men can rest assured in moral superiority that they face bloodthirsty degenerates.

The morality of soldier doesn't matter if it's the enemy that's killing you and you not killing the enemy. History is written by the winners.


The morality of the soldier gives him conviction and rallies the populace against the immoral foe.

History is indeed written by the winners, and there is a strong reason why nations of moral character regularly defeat outright immoral enemies. Christians, when given divine cause to fight against a foe, and a people who are truly to be feared.

Those whom openly murder and conduct war in an unbecoming manner tend to find their very Empire collapse. Indeed, the better murdering tyrants were the ones who pretended to do good while doing the naughty stuff away from public eyes.

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Roiyaru Teikoku
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Postby Roiyaru Teikoku » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:11 pm

Helghast empire wrote:well sure it is an unfair advantage when they're eating or sleeping, but even if you don't kill them what are you going to do? stand there and watch them? when they're done, it's not like the enemy will be all friendly to you either, if you don't kill them at least capture or arrest them ( and let them eat ), i can't believe you would trust the enemy like that, sure it's honorable but come on, you think they're going to just let you watch them eat?

If possible, officers are ordered to note the enemy's position for future reference and stage a fighting or ambush action later down their path.
If the enemy notices us observing them and fires upon us, then we are justified in killing them because they are no longer defenseless or unawares. It's not so much a matter of trust as honorable conduct.

Interstellar Britannia wrote:If you treat your opponent with respect and dignity, they, if they are men of character and decency, will return the favour right back at you for the benefit of everyone involved.

If they do not, then your men can rest assured in moral superiority that they face bloodthirsty degenerates.

Indeed, this is another factor. I often do not expect the enemy to return the favor--but at least my men will know they are conducting themselves honorably and that their enemy is made up of ruthless barbarians.

Perfect "moral justification" propaganda for both the troops and the people without the cost of printing leaflets or cover-ups. In all reality, public and military support for wars is essential if you want to win them.

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The Anglo-Saxon Empire
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:14 pm

Interstellar Britannia wrote:
Altamirus wrote:The morality of soldier doesn't matter if it's the enemy that's killing you and you not killing the enemy. History is written by the winners.


The morality of the soldier gives him conviction and rallies the populace against the immoral foe.

History is indeed written by the winners, and there is a strong reason why nations of moral character regularly defeat outright immoral enemies. Christians, when given divine cause to fight against a foe, and a people who are truly to be feared.

Those whom openly murder and conduct war in an unbecoming manner tend to find their very Empire collapse. Indeed, the better murdering tyrants were the ones who pretended to do good while doing the naughty stuff away from public eyes.

Not really, the Germanic tribes crushed the far less savage Rome, the Mongols slaughtered millions of people and created the second largest empire ever, Sparta, a nation that killed the weak, forced the surviving males to fight, and brutally abused their slaves beat Athens, while Greece defeated the much more benevolent Persian Empire.
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Interstellar Britannia
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Postby Interstellar Britannia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:21 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Interstellar Britannia wrote:
The morality of the soldier gives him conviction and rallies the populace against the immoral foe.

History is indeed written by the winners, and there is a strong reason why nations of moral character regularly defeat outright immoral enemies. Christians, when given divine cause to fight against a foe, and a people who are truly to be feared.

Those whom openly murder and conduct war in an unbecoming manner tend to find their very Empire collapse. Indeed, the better murdering tyrants were the ones who pretended to do good while doing the naughty stuff away from public eyes.

Not really, the Germanic tribes crushed the far less savage Rome, the Mongols slaughtered millions of people and created the second largest empire ever, Sparta, a nation that killed the weak, forced the surviving males to fight, and brutally abused their slaves beat Athens, while Greece defeated the much more benevolent Persian Empire.


Certainly there are exception in battle, but we see the Roman Empire outlast German tribes (at least until the Germans adopt Roman law and Roman Christianity). The Mongolian would have readily collapsed after Ghengis Khan, but was fortunately made into a more civilised entity under chaps like Kublai khan. And the Spartans were regularily defeated, and by all accounts were actually the nicest people to their slaves in all the Hellenes (Slaves were state property, not private property, hence unauthorised abuse of slaves was harming state property which would bring heavy punishment. Spartan Helots were closer to medieval serfs then chattel slaves of other Greek states like Athens.)

The Greek defeat of the Persian Empire was largely because they were far more moralistic in their wars. While the Persians were more benevolent as compared to most Eastern Empires, they were still vicious in warfare as compared to the Greeks who fought in pre-set battles on a field.

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Interstellar Britannia
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Postby Interstellar Britannia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:22 pm

Altamirus wrote:
Interstellar Britannia wrote:
The morality of the soldier gives him conviction and rallies the populace against the immoral foe.

History is indeed written by the winners, and there is a strong reason why nations of moral character regularly defeat outright immoral enemies. Christians, when given divine cause to fight against a foe, and a people who are truly to be feared.

Those whom openly murder and conduct war in an unbecoming manner tend to find their very Empire collapse. Indeed, the better murdering tyrants were the ones who pretended to do good while doing the naughty stuff away from public eyes.

Bad example, Christians lost the Crusades.
Also, the winners tend to do their immoralities on soldiers and are nice the non combats. See Nazi Gernamy, Japan treatment of POWS for losers
See the Phantom army at Normandy, the ambush of the Hesians during Christmas of Washington crossing the Delware for example of wining national conduct.


They won the first Crusade when they had the moral conviction against the clearly "bad" Muslims who restricted Christian pilgrimmage.

After that they simply could not find the right cassus belli and the same uniting hatred as the first Crusade. Whereas Saladin had the moral superiority thanks to the massacre of Jerusalem.

Nazi Germany and Japan lost. Why? Because everyone saw that they were evil. The Soviet Union was by far the more murderous entity, and communism was perceived a greater threat then fascism. Yet the Western world helped the Soviets because they hid their atrocities far better then Hitler.
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Sino-Japanese Empire
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Postby Sino-Japanese Empire » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:45 pm

The ignorance of the fact that Dai Nippon Teikoku wasn't Fascist is a point you're overlooking. Alliance of Convenience.
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Kyraina
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Postby Kyraina » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:01 pm

Helghast empire wrote:
Kyraina wrote:evendently rain ranger's generals believe in leading by exampal


so if the general gets shot.....now what? lol

he lives or dies depending on where he is shot at and he dies in combact the highest honor a kyrainaian can hope for thats a soldier and besides all ranks of soldiers in our squad and up or the soldiers that u are fighting with is shown in the hud of the helmet so y where ranks into battle
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The Anglo-Saxon Empire
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:30 pm

Interstellar Britannia wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Not really, the Germanic tribes crushed the far less savage Rome, the Mongols slaughtered millions of people and created the second largest empire ever, Sparta, a nation that killed the weak, forced the surviving males to fight, and brutally abused their slaves beat Athens, while Greece defeated the much more benevolent Persian Empire.


Certainly there are exception in battle, but we see the Roman Empire outlast German tribes (at least until the Germans adopt Roman law and Roman Christianity).
Not true, the tribes that conquered Rome were every bit as savage as those that fought them in the Teutonburg Wald 3 centuries earlier. They only started to convert due to the Byzantines or kingdoms like the Franks.

The Mongolian would have readily collapsed after Ghengis Khan, but was fortunately made into a more civilised entity under chaps like Kublai khan.
Once again, not true, beyond the fact that Kublai wasn't his only heir, he wasn't that much more civilised. The only thing that really slowed the Mongol advance was the death of their great and ruthless Khan, Genghis Khan.

And the Spartans were regularily defeated, and by all accounts were actually the nicest people to their slaves in all the Hellenes (Slaves were state property, not private property, hence unauthorised abuse of slaves was harming state property which would bring heavy punishment. Spartan Helots were closer to medieval serfs then chattel slaves of other Greek states like Athens.)
So, every country is beaten every now and than, the Spartans have a win ratio of about 50%, which in all honesty is pretty bad. However, the Spartans weren't benevolent in any way to the Helots, who were frequently killed by Spartan trainees as part of their training, and to terrorize them.

The Greek defeat of the Persian Empire was largely because they were far more moralistic in their wars. While the Persians were more benevolent as compared to most Eastern Empires, they were still vicious in warfare as compared to the Greeks who fought in pre-set battles on a field.
Not really, the battle of Lechaeum proves that the Greeks were just as pragmatic as the Persians, while Alexander III's conquest of Persia proves the general barbarity of the Greeks, especially the burning of Persepolis.

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Kyraina
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Postby Kyraina » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:01 pm

drill recruits to fight as a unit
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Vorond
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Postby Vorond » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:06 pm

Estainia wrote:
Roiyaru Teikoku wrote:Thank you, many do not understand that there can still be honor in battle and may see it as ridiculous.

We believe that there is no honor or glory in killing a man eating his meal or sleeping unawares.


Indeed not.


Wahahaha, glory in war. Ridiculous. :rofl:
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Postby Apollonesia » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:08 pm

We reenact scenes from Braveheart... for some strange reason.
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Postby Kyraina » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:11 pm

Apollonesia wrote:We reenact scenes from Braveheart... for some strange reason.

we reenact scenes form Robin Hood: Men in Tights for odd reason we dont even know
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Postby SlavicRepublics » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:15 pm

instead of spending more money on military vehicles and transport, soldiers are encouraged to bring their personal automobile and put some sheets of metal Armour and a 17.7mm DHSK machine gun, and turn their car into a gun truck or a technical
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Postby Wafadonia » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:40 pm

The Marines Randomly Flog Walruses. Though nobody knows why?

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Postby Mediterreania » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:32 pm

Wafadonia wrote:The Marines Randomly Flog Walruses. Though nobody knows why?

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Quick and dirty guide to factions in Mediterranea, and puppets to serve as examples:
-Free Assembly - decentralized group of local associations. Main faction.
-Workers' Republic - anarcho-syndicalist commune
-República Morsica (Betico)
-Republic of Lusca
-Catholic State (The Archbishop of Siraucsa)

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Postby Bajireyn » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:33 pm

Kyraina wrote:drill recruits to fight as a unit

:palm: Thats SOP for many nations...
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Postby Libera Patria » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:34 am

In their survival kits, Lipatrian fighter pilots have a bottle of vodka and a pistol with one mag.

Only 2% of the special ops recruits make it to the force. The requirements are extremely tough.

There is a hefty fine for urinating in a high-ranking officer's mouth.
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Kyraina
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Postby Kyraina » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:10 am

Bajireyn wrote:
Kyraina wrote:drill recruits to fight as a unit

:palm: Thats SOP for many nations...

true but we drop them in a raider camp to learn to fight as a unit so it can get really messy
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