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by The Erusean Republic » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:47 am

by Estainia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:49 am
Roiyaru Teikoku wrote:Estainia wrote:
We call that being an honorable adversary. It is good to know that you are not dishonorable cowards.
Thank you, many do not understand that there can still be honor in battle and may see it as ridiculous.
We believe that there is no honor or glory in killing a man eating his meal or sleeping unawares.

by The Terragon Isles » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:06 pm

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by Interstellar Britannia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:51 pm
Oterro wrote:Interstellar Britannia wrote:Quite normal actually, especially in the 18th and 19th century. A buzzed soldier is more willing to expose themselves to enemy fire and listening to orders without thinking about them.
In fact Commonwealth troops were liquored up when they assaulted Normandy. I have always pitied those dry Americans at Omaha.
Not true, redcoats were given a tot of rum every day, and as they were the scum of the earth and usually alcoholics, such a small amount was not enough to get them thoroughly blootered. That being said, they tended to get shitfaced whenever they took a city when no officers were looking. I believe on the first retreat from Spain in the Penninsular war men who were to drunk to stand were simply left to the mercy of the French. Of course the French being a shower of bitter 19 year olds, they had very little mercy.

by Interstellar Britannia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:53 pm
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Sino-Japanese Empire wrote:
No ****? That's not ridiculous, that's SOP.
Aside from the Banzai Charges? Hm.
Oh right, we still deploy flame throwers; and an armored vehicle in the symbolence of such. [That is to say, yes, we built a tank armed with a flame cannon.]
The rediculous part isn't that his generals don't wear rank insignia, it is that they are on the battlefield in the first place.

by Interstellar Britannia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:55 pm
Helghast empire wrote:Roiyaru Teikoku wrote:Thank you, many do not understand that there can still be honor in battle and may see it as ridiculous.
We believe that there is no honor or glory in killing a man eating his meal or sleeping unawares.
well sure it is an unfair advantage when they're eating or sleeping, but even if you don't kill them what are you going to do? stand there and watch them? when they're done, it's not like the enemy will be all friendly to you either, if you don't kill them at least capture or arrest them ( and let them eat ), i can't believe you would trust the enemy like that, sure it's honorable but come on, you think they're going to just let you watch them eat?

by Interstellar Britannia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:05 pm
Altamirus wrote:Interstellar Britannia wrote:
If you treat your opponent with respect and dignity, they, if they are men of character and decency, will return the favour right back at you for the benefit of everyone involved.
If they do not, then your men can rest assured in moral superiority that they face bloodthirsty degenerates.
The morality of soldier doesn't matter if it's the enemy that's killing you and you not killing the enemy. History is written by the winners.

by Roiyaru Teikoku » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:11 pm
Helghast empire wrote:well sure it is an unfair advantage when they're eating or sleeping, but even if you don't kill them what are you going to do? stand there and watch them? when they're done, it's not like the enemy will be all friendly to you either, if you don't kill them at least capture or arrest them ( and let them eat ), i can't believe you would trust the enemy like that, sure it's honorable but come on, you think they're going to just let you watch them eat?
Interstellar Britannia wrote:If you treat your opponent with respect and dignity, they, if they are men of character and decency, will return the favour right back at you for the benefit of everyone involved.
If they do not, then your men can rest assured in moral superiority that they face bloodthirsty degenerates.

by The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:14 pm
Interstellar Britannia wrote:Altamirus wrote:The morality of soldier doesn't matter if it's the enemy that's killing you and you not killing the enemy. History is written by the winners.
The morality of the soldier gives him conviction and rallies the populace against the immoral foe.
History is indeed written by the winners, and there is a strong reason why nations of moral character regularly defeat outright immoral enemies. Christians, when given divine cause to fight against a foe, and a people who are truly to be feared.
Those whom openly murder and conduct war in an unbecoming manner tend to find their very Empire collapse. Indeed, the better murdering tyrants were the ones who pretended to do good while doing the naughty stuff away from public eyes.

by Interstellar Britannia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:21 pm
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Interstellar Britannia wrote:
The morality of the soldier gives him conviction and rallies the populace against the immoral foe.
History is indeed written by the winners, and there is a strong reason why nations of moral character regularly defeat outright immoral enemies. Christians, when given divine cause to fight against a foe, and a people who are truly to be feared.
Those whom openly murder and conduct war in an unbecoming manner tend to find their very Empire collapse. Indeed, the better murdering tyrants were the ones who pretended to do good while doing the naughty stuff away from public eyes.
Not really, the Germanic tribes crushed the far less savage Rome, the Mongols slaughtered millions of people and created the second largest empire ever, Sparta, a nation that killed the weak, forced the surviving males to fight, and brutally abused their slaves beat Athens, while Greece defeated the much more benevolent Persian Empire.

by Interstellar Britannia » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:22 pm
Altamirus wrote:Interstellar Britannia wrote:
The morality of the soldier gives him conviction and rallies the populace against the immoral foe.
History is indeed written by the winners, and there is a strong reason why nations of moral character regularly defeat outright immoral enemies. Christians, when given divine cause to fight against a foe, and a people who are truly to be feared.
Those whom openly murder and conduct war in an unbecoming manner tend to find their very Empire collapse. Indeed, the better murdering tyrants were the ones who pretended to do good while doing the naughty stuff away from public eyes.
Bad example, Christians lost the Crusades.
Also, the winners tend to do their immoralities on soldiers and are nice the non combats. See Nazi Gernamy, Japan treatment of POWS for losers
See the Phantom army at Normandy, the ambush of the Hesians during Christmas of Washington crossing the Delware for example of wining national conduct.

by Sino-Japanese Empire » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:45 pm

by Kyraina » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:01 pm

by The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:30 pm
Interstellar Britannia wrote:The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Not really, the Germanic tribes crushed the far less savage Rome, the Mongols slaughtered millions of people and created the second largest empire ever, Sparta, a nation that killed the weak, forced the surviving males to fight, and brutally abused their slaves beat Athens, while Greece defeated the much more benevolent Persian Empire.
Certainly there are exception in battle, but we see the Roman Empire outlast German tribes (at least until the Germans adopt Roman law and Roman Christianity).
Not true, the tribes that conquered Rome were every bit as savage as those that fought them in the Teutonburg Wald 3 centuries earlier. They only started to convert due to the Byzantines or kingdoms like the Franks.
The Mongolian would have readily collapsed after Ghengis Khan, but was fortunately made into a more civilised entity under chaps like Kublai khan.
Once again, not true, beyond the fact that Kublai wasn't his only heir, he wasn't that much more civilised. The only thing that really slowed the Mongol advance was the death of their great and ruthless Khan, Genghis Khan.
And the Spartans were regularily defeated, and by all accounts were actually the nicest people to their slaves in all the Hellenes (Slaves were state property, not private property, hence unauthorised abuse of slaves was harming state property which would bring heavy punishment. Spartan Helots were closer to medieval serfs then chattel slaves of other Greek states like Athens.)
So, every country is beaten every now and than, the Spartans have a win ratio of about 50%, which in all honesty is pretty bad. However, the Spartans weren't benevolent in any way to the Helots, who were frequently killed by Spartan trainees as part of their training, and to terrorize them.
The Greek defeat of the Persian Empire was largely because they were far more moralistic in their wars. While the Persians were more benevolent as compared to most Eastern Empires, they were still vicious in warfare as compared to the Greeks who fought in pre-set battles on a field.
Not really, the battle of Lechaeum proves that the Greeks were just as pragmatic as the Persians, while Alexander III's conquest of Persia proves the general barbarity of the Greeks, especially the burning of Persepolis.

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Apollonesia wrote:We reenact scenes from Braveheart... for some strange reason.

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