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The Adrian Empire
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Postby The Adrian Empire » Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:06 am

Commend, the Emperor of Adria has done much the same. Some have speculated an entire stepping down from power, making the government a Republic,

In the Adrian Empire, membership in a government is a voluntary choice, however to join a government one must serve in the Imperial Armed Forces.
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Postby Kreanoltha » Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:39 am

The Adrian Empire wrote:Commend, the Emperor of Adria has done much the same. Some have speculated an entire stepping down from power, making the government a Republic,

In the Adrian Empire, membership in a government is a voluntary choice, however to join a government one must serve in the Imperial Armed Forces.


Commend.


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Postby Damoclea » Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:14 am

Kreanoltha wrote:
The Adrian Empire wrote:Commend, the Emperor of Adria has done much the same. Some have speculated an entire stepping down from power, making the government a Republic,

In the Adrian Empire, membership in a government is a voluntary choice, however to join a government one must serve in the Imperial Armed Forces.


Commend.


In Kreanoltha drugs are legal, but any crime committed under the influence is punished twice as severely.


Commend, that is the proper attitude toward drugs. Crime is the issue, not the drug itself.

In Damoclea, promiscuity is encouraged and marriage doesn't exist, but a woman must research first before seeking child support. She must have proof that the alleged sire is in fact the father before claiming. If she deliberately lies about the paternity of the child, she will judged for paternity fraud, a Class C felony carrying an automatic sentence of 15 years of hard labor.
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Postby The Adrian Empire » Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:37 am

Condemn, Nuclear Families are much more stable, promiscuity while not a great evil, should be discouraged in the long run.

The government of the Empire is constitutionally bound from holding a monopoly over any industry, because in doing so they would force Denizens the un-enfranchised of the Empire, to be dependent on the government, in essence that means there are no government run industries.
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Postby Kreanoltha » Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:48 am

The Adrian Empire wrote:Condemn, Nuclear Families are much more stable, promiscuity while not a great evil, should be discouraged in the long run.

The government of the Empire is constitutionally bound from holding a monopoly over any industry, because in doing so they would force Denizens the un-enfranchised of the Empire, to be dependent on the government, in essence that means there are no government run industries.


Commend. The government have no place in the economy.

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Postby De Baca » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:06 am

Indifferent.

De Baca is considering instituting military conscription, requiring all males above the age of sixteen, or perhaps eighteen, to report for service within a certain age limit.
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Postby Mivango » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:10 am

Damoclea wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:
The Adrian Empire wrote:Commend, the Emperor of Adria has done much the same. Some have speculated an entire stepping down from power, making the government a Republic,

In the Adrian Empire, membership in a government is a voluntary choice, however to join a government one must serve in the Imperial Armed Forces.


Commend.


In Kreanoltha drugs are legal, but any crime committed under the influence is punished twice as severely.


Commend, that is the proper attitude toward drugs. Crime is the issue, not the drug itself.

In Damoclea, promiscuity is encouraged and marriage doesn't exist, but a woman must research first before seeking child support. She must have proof that the alleged sire is in fact the father before claiming. If she deliberately lies about the paternity of the child, she will judged for paternity fraud, a Class C felony carrying an automatic sentence of 15 years of hard labor.


Commend. Promiscuity is an excellent means of maximizing future manpower and a continuing tax base. Of course, animists like us have different morals than those who condemned you. Even better is that you enforce honesty and crack down on fraud. While we have marriage (albeit polygamous rather than promiscuous), we don't approve of the presumption of paternity simply based on marriage. Marriage and parenting can overlap, but they are not mutually dependent. Women who have lovers are fine, just as men with lovers are fine. Women who expect one man to provide for another man's children, however, are wrong. It is the natural father's duty, not the husband's, to provide for the spawn.

In Mivango, outsourcing is deemed economic treason and punishable by death.

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Postby The Adrian Empire » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:13 am

Condemn, it insinuates that the government owns their people, which is sick.
@Mivango,
Condemn, the Market should decide where jobs go, holding onto silly boundaries of nations makes no sense, out-sourcing helps the struggling people of third world nations.

The Adrian Empire often comes across alien civilization on our exploration of the galaxy, if they are considered sufficiently sapient beings we allow them to join our Empire, this is what we hope to do every-time, however occasionally we come across a species, that is sapient but far too dangerous and unreasonable to allow the Empire to let them join us, rather then commit the terrible crime of genocide, we choose the lesser evil of enslaving their populace.
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Let's call it Voluntary Government Minarchism
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Sibirsky wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:The Adrian Empire is God.


Oh of course. But not to the leftists.

Faith Hope Charity wrote:I would just like to take this time to say... The Adrian Empire is awesome.
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Postby Mivango » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:17 am

De Baca wrote:Indifferent.

De Baca is considering instituting military conscription, requiring all males above the age of sixteen, or perhaps eighteen, to report for service within a certain age limit.


Conscription is good on paper. In practice, it amounts to forcing unwilling and unreliable soldiers to fight, thus demoralizing the rest of the troops. Voluntary militia with incentives are better. For instance, Mivangese who enroll in the militia automatically receive assault rifles for self-defense as well for militia duty. Also, younger militiamen can vote earlier and hold office sooner than pure civilians.

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Postby Mivango » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:19 am

Condemn....slavery is an abomination.

Counterfeiting in Mivango is also a capital offense. Executions are frequently carried out by the Revolutionary Youth Guard, an auxiliary militia largely drawn from adolescent, emancipated citizens.

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Postby Mount Shavano » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:26 am

The Adrian Empire wrote:The Adrian Empire often comes across alien civilization on our exploration of the galaxy, if they are considered sufficiently sapient beings we allow them to join our Empire, this is what we hope to do every-time, however occasionally we come across a species, that is sapient but far too dangerous and unreasonable to allow the Empire to let them join us, rather then commit the terrible crime of genocide, we choose the lesser evil of enslaving their populace.


Condemn. Just destroy all their ship and starports, then maintain a single ship blockade to keep them from rebuilding.

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Counterfeiting in Mivango is also a capital offense. Executions are frequently carried out by the Revolutionary Youth Guard, an auxiliary militia largely drawn from adolescent, emancipated citizens.


Condemn. Seems excessive.

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The Adrian Empire
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Postby The Adrian Empire » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:52 am

@ Mivango, your solution to hostile alien species?
Condemn, above and beyond the needed punishment. Especially considering the use of child soldiers.

@Mount Shavano,

Commend, the Empire is against the proliferation of civilian targeting bombs such as nuclear weapons

There is no restrictions against immigration in the Empire, in fact even tourists carry the same rights as Denizens.
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"What is the Price of Prosperity? Eternal Vigilance"
Let's call it Voluntary Government Minarchism
Economic: Left/Right (9.5)
Social: Authoritarian/Libertarian (-2.56)
Sibirsky wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:The Adrian Empire is God.


Oh of course. But not to the leftists.

Faith Hope Charity wrote:I would just like to take this time to say... The Adrian Empire is awesome.
First imagine the 1950's in space, add free market capitalism, aliens, orcs, elves and magic, throw in some art-deco cities, the Roman Empire and finish with the Starship Troopers' Federation
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Postby Federated Russias » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:11 am

The Adrian Empire wrote:@ Mivango, your solution to hostile alien species?
Condemn, above and beyond the needed punishment. Especially considering the use of child soldiers.

@Mount Shavano,

Commend, the Empire is against the proliferation of civilian targeting bombs such as nuclear weapons

There is no restrictions against immigration in the Empire, in fact even tourists carry the same rights as Denizens.


Condemn. National borders should be strictly observed. Trans-nationalism is dangerous, whether in trade or in immigration. National sovereignty is sacrosanct. Customs enforcement needs to be tight.

Under Federal law, a plaintiff who loses must pay the court costs of the defendant. That is meant to discourage litigiousness. Also, someone mentioned paternity suits. A woman found to have collected child support by deceitful means is required to pay restitution until the debt is completely resolved. Her wages can even be garnished to recover the ill-gotten gains. Further, those who abuse medical malpractice law can be blacklisted from health care for life. The Federal Government takes frivolous litigation and malicious prosecution very seriously.

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Postby JJ Place » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:22 am

Estiri wrote:
quote="JJ Place";p="3271459"]
but, if all your vehicles are electric and 100% recharged with solar powered rechargeable technology, yet they're inefficient and require rail to compensate for the loss of long distance road travel, why not merge the technology of the rail road cars with the inefficient cars and create a 100% clean car that can travel for a virtually unlimited capacity for travel? And make the cars able to run on the rails together as a train of private cars? It benefits everyone; both the rail industry and the private citizens, the rail industry gains profit from charging the private cars on the rails, and the private citizens now have an efficient means of traveling long distances less expensively.


Interesting suggestion. The rail industry is backing a variant where cars can ride on open-platform railway vehicles, and our city councils are preparing the issue for public consideration as we speak. Meanwhile we expect both solar and battery technology to continue to improve.[/quote]

I'm always full of interesting suggestions; in addition, many of them work. If the rails are efficient and work well, and the cars are inefficient, merge and incorporate means of the rail industry into the cars to make the cars efficient as well.


Federated Russias: Condemn and Commend; everything is good, except for the black listing of medical services; payment for crimes and for legal fees is good, black listing and banning for crimes in the past such as mentioned are not.

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Postby Kreanoltha » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:56 am

JJ Place wrote:In JJ Place, Copy Right Laws have been completely abolished.


Condemn. You are effectively saying that on one has can keep their intellectual property.


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Postby Greater Rhodes » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:03 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:In the IIRK there are no term limits

Condemn, a political system without term limits produces career politicians and increases the influence of special interest groups. Also, no term limits makes it more difficult for newer politicians to gain a foothold in the political system.

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Postby Posidonis » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:11 pm

Greater Rhodes wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:In the IIRK there are no term limits

Condemn, a political system without term limits produces career politicians and increases the influence of special interest groups. Also, no term limits makes it more difficult for newer politicians to gain a foothold in the political system.

In Greater Rhodes half of the senate is elected and half is appointed


Condemn. All public officials should be elected. That is a proper polity.

In Posidonis, the legislature is composed of guilds, whose delegates are elected by all masters and journeymen. Apprentices have not yet earned a vote. The Council of Guilds then elects the Council of Politarchs and the Council of Judges for annual terms of office. No one serves more than one year without being re-elected to said post. Both sexes are eligible for all public offices, though women rarely seek executive or judicial office, because their typical business interests are more directly affected by the Council of Guilds.

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Postby JJ Place » Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:03 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:
JJ Place wrote:In JJ Place, Copy Right Laws have been completely abolished.


Condemn. You are effectively saying that on one has can keep their intellectual property.



People have all the right to keep their intellectual property; however, when they sell their property, such as a musician selling a song to a customer, the consumer now owns their own song, and may do with it as they like with the song they bought, just as a person who has bought a television has the right to record videos from the Television and create a video clip, D.V.D., or anything they chose from the recording of the video they recorded from the Television. A non-respect for Intellectual Property, unlike with other types of property does not deprive the original owner of the property as well; an artist who has sold their music is not deprived of the original music; they have sold a copy of their music, a copy that is then owned by the buyer;the buyer may use the music in any way that like, the same as if the artist had sold the buyer a piece of physical property such as a slice of land.

Posidonis: Both Condemn and Commend for a variety of reasons, Condemn for the main part as the system is still very autocratic, bureaucratic, and a thorn in the side of Political Freedom; Commend as it's a large step up from other forms of less politically free systems of governments.

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Postby Kreanoltha » Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:12 pm

JJ Place wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:
JJ Place wrote:In JJ Place, Copy Right Laws have been completely abolished.


Condemn. You are effectively saying that on one has can keep their intellectual property.



People have all the right to keep their intellectual property; however, when they sell their property, such as a musician selling a song to a customer, the consumer now owns their own song, and may do with it as they like with the song they bought, just as a person who has bought a television has the right to record videos from the Television and create a video clip, D.V.D., or anything they chose from the recording of the video they recorded from the Television. A non-respect for Intellectual Property, unlike with other types of property does not deprive the original owner of the property as well; an artist who has sold their music is not deprived of the original music; they have sold a copy of their music, a copy that is then owned by the buyer;the buyer may use the music in any way that like, the same as if the artist had sold the buyer a piece of physical property such as a slice of land.

Posidonis: Both Condemn and Commend for a variety of reasons, Condemn for the main part as the system is still very autocratic, bureaucratic, and a thorn in the side of Political Freedom; Commend as it's a large step up from other forms of less politically free systems of governments.

In JJ Place, all varieties of recreational drugs are sold in Super Markets.


That sounds great, but what do you do when someone tries to sell copies of that CD, movie, or TV shows?

Commend, the state isn't selling it and neither are drug dealers.


Anyone of any age may own any weapon he pleases. There are no licenses required to conceal and carry weapons.
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Postby JJ Place » Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:33 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:
JJ Place wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:
JJ Place wrote:In JJ Place, Copy Right Laws have been completely abolished.


Condemn. You are effectively saying that on one has can keep their intellectual property.



People have all the right to keep their intellectual property; however, when they sell their property, such as a musician selling a song to a customer, the consumer now owns their own song, and may do with it as they like with the song they bought, just as a person who has bought a television has the right to record videos from the Television and create a video clip, D.V.D., or anything they chose from the recording of the video they recorded from the Television. A non-respect for Intellectual Property, unlike with other types of property does not deprive the original owner of the property as well; an artist who has sold their music is not deprived of the original music; they have sold a copy of their music, a copy that is then owned by the buyer;the buyer may use the music in any way that like, the same as if the artist had sold the buyer a piece of physical property such as a slice of land.

Posidonis: Both Condemn and Commend for a variety of reasons, Condemn for the main part as the system is still very autocratic, bureaucratic, and a thorn in the side of Political Freedom; Commend as it's a large step up from other forms of less politically free systems of governments.

In JJ Place, all varieties of recreational drugs are sold in Super Markets.


That sounds great, but what do you do when someone tries to sell copies of that CD, movie, or TV shows?


People who have a Television or a radio right now could very well do that in any nation; that would be a minor problem, as, often, copies are of lesser quality and have many flaws; if anything, the files would be shared for free, due to their minor problem with the entertainment recordings. The people who download these forms of media where not going to purchase the media in the first place, and, this form of file sharing might in fact boost the future sales of the artist, and spread the artist's reputation through areas and to people whom other-wise might not have known of the artist, allowing the artist to make far more money because of the file sharing; most everyone I know wouldn't have spent their money on or even have known a quarter of the artists they do frequently provide their patronage.

Kreanoltha wrote:Commend, the state isn't selling it and neither are drug dealers.


Hooray; exactly part of the reasoning


Kreanoltha wrote:Anyone of any age may own any weapon he pleases. There are no licenses required to conceal and carry weapons.


Commend; but you my stance I was going to post in this post. Oh well; let's find another controversial happening in JJ Place.







In JJ Place, on many colonies, in response to the initial security problems that exist in a newly settled land, to deal with the crippling crime rate, most citizens drive large, tank-like vehicles, secured with feet thick of incredibly strong metals, with mini-guns mounted on the top, sides, and all around the vehicle, used to keep the individuals, their groups friends, and family safe during transportation.
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Postby De Baca » Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:49 pm

Commend. Let the people be armed!

De Baca maintains the right to shoot down any foreign aircraft which ventures in to De Bacan airspace and refuses to provide identification, based upon the assumption the plane has been hijacked. Orders to fire would come directly from the President, or somebody else of sufficient authority.
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Postby JJ Place » Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:09 pm

De Baca wrote:De Baca maintains the right to shoot down any foreign aircraft which ventures in to De Bacan airspace and refuses to provide identification, based upon the assumption the plane has been hijacked. Orders to fire would come directly from the President, or somebody else of sufficient authority.


De Baca, you have to respond to the controversial happening of the nation that has posted directly behind you before you post your nation's questionable happening.


Anyhow:


Condemn for De Baca's policy; assumptions are nothing to kill a person over, and are an incredibly bad policy to utilize in killing potentially innocent individuals.








In JJ Place, on many colonies, in response to the initial security problems that exist in a newly settled land, to deal with the crippling crime rate, most citizens drive large, tank-like vehicles, secured with feet thick of incredibly strong metals, with mini-guns mounted on the top, sides, and all around the vehicle, used to keep the individuals, their groups friends, and family safe during transportation.
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Postby Genomita » Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:18 pm

Commend, as it shows that you care about your citizen's safety.

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Postby De Baca » Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:23 pm

Genomita wrote:In Genomita, Homo-and bisexuals are allowed to serve openly in all branches of the military.


Indifferent. It's your choice, though not one we would make.

Inmates at Bernalillo Federal Penitentiary are often punished for rule violations by being made to run around in the prison yard holding large stones up above their heads, all during the hottest hours of the day, kept in motion by guards armed with riot batons.

Bernalillo is in the middle of a desert.
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Postby Izzyshipper » Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:26 pm

De Baca wrote:
Genomita wrote:In Genomita, Homo-and bisexuals are allowed to serve openly in all branches of the military.


Indifferent. It's your choice, though not one we would make.

Inmates at Bernalillo Federal Penitentiary are often punished for rule violations by being made to run around in the prison yard holding large stones up above their heads, all during the hottest hours of the day, kept in motion by guards armed with riot batons.


Commend, as long as they are well hydrated throughout.

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