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Volnotov
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Postby Volnotov » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:28 pm

Commend!


In the State of Volnotov the syndicates and megacorporations enforce their own laws and have their own military sized private armies/militias.
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Postby Venti Gen Italia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:36 pm

Volnotov wrote:Commend!


In the State of Volnotov the syndicates and megacorporations enforce their own laws and have their own military sized private armies/militias.

Commend. We are a corporate monarchy. You will find increased savings if you amalgamate the smaller armies into a joint controlled subdivision of your munitions corporations.

We do not believe in income tax of any sort.

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Postby Machinarium » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:43 pm

Venti Gen Italia wrote:
Volnotov wrote:Commend!


In the State of Volnotov the syndicates and megacorporations enforce their own laws and have their own military sized private armies/militias.

Commend. We are a corporate monarchy. You will find increased savings if you amalgamate the smaller armies into a joint controlled subdivision of your munitions corporations.

We do not believe in income tax of any sort.

Commend, rich people do not deserve to be taxed exorbitantly because of they had the brains and hard work to make money. We implement a progressive income tax with a maximum cap of 10%.
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Kreanoltha
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Postby Kreanoltha » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:13 pm

Machinarium wrote:In Machinarium, factory farming is allowed as long as the food eventually produced is safe for human consumption. No cruelty laws are in place.


Commend. That's the smart way to do things.


In the IIRK the only tax the federal government may levy is a 10% flat-rate income tax.
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Volnotov
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Postby Volnotov » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:15 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:
Machinarium wrote:In Machinarium, factory farming is allowed as long as the food eventually produced is safe for human consumption. No cruelty laws are in place.


Commend. That's the smart way to do things.


In the IIRK the only tax the federal government may levy is a 10% flat-rate income tax.


Condemn, still too high.




If the State of Volnotov would be a person it would be a sociopathic, sadistic, psychopathic mass-murderer.
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Postby Kreanoltha » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:23 pm

Volnotov wrote:If the State of Volnotov would be a person it would be a sociopathic, sadistic, psychopathic mass-murderer.


Condemn. That's probably a bad thing.


The IIRK doesn't adhere to any international law. We are in every sense of the word a fully autonomous nation.
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Postby Saurisia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:27 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:
Volnotov wrote:If the State of Volnotov would be a person it would be a sociopathic, sadistic, psychopathic mass-murderer.


Condemn. That's probably a bad thing.


The IIRK doesn't adhere to any international law. We are in every sense of the word a fully autonomous nation.


Commend!

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Kreanoltha
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Postby Kreanoltha » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:32 pm

Saurisia wrote:The Saurisian military has a huge stockpile of chemical, nuclear, and incendinary weapons because the High Command feels that, in war, anything goes.


Commend. Once again that's the smart way to fight.


In the IIRK the use of lethal force in defense of both life and property is not only legal it is encouraged.
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Postby Dinner Theatre Actors » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:45 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:
Saurisia wrote:The Saurisian military has a huge stockpile of chemical, nuclear, and incendinary weapons because the High Command feels that, in war, anything goes.


Commend. Once again that's the smart way to fight.


In the IIRK the use of lethal force in defense of both life and property is not only legal it is encouraged.

Condemn. In our country, we would lose wa-a-a-ay too many people.

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Postby Licana » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:47 pm

Commend, In certain circumstances, extreme force is a necessity...and it is always good to keep your options open.

In Licana, a public ID system is used. In this system, each citizen is given a specific and unique ID that denotes age, incarcerations, medical information, and other government information and documentation (like weapons permits, drivers licenses, and security clearances). They act very much like a credit card, slide the card through a machine and it reads the information sent from a small microchip in the card. These machines also can detect the composition of the card, and can detect most faked cards. These cards also contain no information on banking or monetary assets, to prevent any viable identity theft.

EDIT: my commendation was to Saurisa
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So was the M-16.

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Kreanoltha
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Postby Kreanoltha » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:51 pm

Licana wrote:In Licana, a public ID system is used. In this system, each citizen is given a specific and unique ID that denotes age, incarcerations, medical information, and other government information and documentation (like weapons permits, drivers licenses, and security clearances). They act very much like a credit card, slide the card through a machine and it reads the information sent from a small microchip in the card. These machines also can detect the composition of the card, and can detect most faked cards. These cards also contain no information on banking or monetary assets, to prevent any viable identity theft.


Condemn. That is a massive invasion of privacy.


In the IIRK the government is only allowed to keep a list of names and phone numbers in order to keep track of its citizens. That information is in no way allowed to be used for any reason during peace times.
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Postby The Adrian Empire » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:58 pm

Commend, though that seems somewhat impractical.

To continue on the identity theme, residents of the Adrian Empire are only obligated to fill out a small form so that the government can identify them, the form includes their physical profile (picture/height/weight), their name, their date of birth, their place of birth, and their parents. Citizens are given ID cards which they are recommended to carry at all times, mostly because it's a very handy form of personal identification.

However, the Ministry of Information has a particular love of finding random information (mostly for posting in FN&I), and giving them more comprehensive knowledge is always appreciated, though obviously not obligatory. More often then not they just collect data from consumer surveys.
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Postby Licana » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:14 pm

The Adrian Empire wrote:Commend, though that seems somewhat impractical.

To continue on the identity theme, residents of the Adrian Empire are only obligated to fill out a small form so that the government can identify them, the form includes their physical profile (picture/height/weight), their name, their date of birth, their place of birth, and their parents. Citizens are given ID cards which they are recommended to carry at all times, mostly because it's a very handy form of personal identification.

However, the Ministry of Information has a particular love of finding random information (mostly for posting in FN&I), and giving them more comprehensive knowledge is always appreciated, though obviously not obligatory. More often then not they just collect data from consumer surveys.


Commend, This is actually quite reasonable.

(I realized just now that I had brought up ID cards in an earlier post. Ironically, Kreanoltha also condemned that for being invasion of privacy)

Instead of having several separate intelligence services for several different different purposes (i.e. in America, The FBI is operates more domestically, while the CIA tends work more on the international level) We have a single entity known as the Licana Intelligence Bureau, or LIB. The gather both military intelligence and assist domestic police in Licana. They tend to have near-unimpeded access to Licana's security systems (based on clearance of individual agents, of course), and have a fairly large staff and a large budget. Complete and thorough background checks are required for any moderate-level clearance assignments.
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Puzikas wrote:Gulf War One was like Slapstick: The War. Except, you know, up to 40,000 people died.

Vitaphone Racing wrote:Never in all my years have I seen someone actually quote the dictionary and still get the definition wrong.

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Vitaphone Racing wrote:Do lets. I really want to hear another explanation about dirty vaginas keeping women out of combat, despite the vagina being a self-cleaning organ.

So was the M-16.

Senestrum wrote:How are KEPs cowardly? Surely the "real man" would in fact be the one firing giant rods of nuclear waste at speeds best described as "hilarious".

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Postby New Balkaney » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:20 pm

Commend. Cutting out red tape and inter-agency wrangling is a good step to the security of the people and the nation's posterity.

In New Balkaney, all citizens are required, upon enrolling into compulsory educational systems, to receive at the time of their immunizations and physical, a surgically implanted and adaptive Neural Network Processor, or NNP, in order to almost permanent connect them to the Cross-Net employed by the Federation, as well as to serve as a personal computerized identification and life management system.

Those who fail for some moral or principle objection to receive an NNP are given a supplementary, external system and urged to comply or face extreme taxation and being ostracized from society at large, until they are legally forced to receive the upgrades upon enrollment in compulsory military service at age 17.
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Postby Volnotov » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:25 pm

New Balkaney wrote:Commend. Cutting out red tape and inter-agency wrangling is a good step to the security of the people and the nation's posterity.

In New Balkaney, all citizens are required, upon enrolling into compulsory educational systems, to receive at the time of their immunizations and physical, a surgically implanted and adaptive Neural Network Processor, or NNP, in order to almost permanent connect them to the Cross-Net employed by the Federation, as well as to serve as a personal computerized identification and life management system.

Those who fail for some moral or principle objection to receive an NNP are given a supplementary, external system and urged to comply or face extreme taxation and being ostracized from society at large, until they are legally forced to receive the upgrades upon enrollment in compulsory military service at age 17.


Condemn, governments are so backwards and outdated. We do commend the NNP wich connects people to the Cross-Net though. A similar system is in use in/at many Volnotovian corporations(The Volnotovian people do not mind having weird cybernetic devices being implanted into their bodies as the Volnotovian people are already fully intigrated with technology, to be exact - they could not survive without the numerous nano-, gene- and neurotechnological devices that enhance their bodies).


If the State of Volnotov would be a person it would be a sociopathic, sadistic, psychopathic mass-murderer.
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Postby Kreanoltha » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:32 pm

Volnotov wrote:
New Balkaney wrote:If the State of Volnotov would be a person it would be a sociopathic, sadistic, psychopathic mass-murderer.


We've already condemned this.


In the IIRK we do not have an equivalent to the "FBI". The government contracts private firms in stead. We do however maintain the KIR, a combination of the US's CIA and NSA.
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Postby Basementees » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:33 pm

Volnotov wrote:
Condemn, governments are so backwards and outdated. We do commend the NNP wich connects people to the Cross-Net though. A similar system is in use in/at many Volnotovian corporations(The Volnotovian people do not mind having weird cybernetic devices being implanted into their bodies as the Volnotovian people are already fully intigrated with technology, to be exact - they could not survive without the numerous nano-, gene- and neurotechnological devices that enhance their bodies).


If the State of Volnotov would be a person it would be a sociopathic, sadistic, psychopathic mass-murderer.


Condemn (I don't care if it's already been done, I'm doing it now and I have different reasons) - murderers who have no reason to do so, must be put down.

In Basementees, we put chips into every citizen's head, so that they can be prevented from committing criminal offences. The chip also allows us gain evidence for crimes as it records things.
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Postby Saurisia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:36 pm

Basementees wrote:
Volnotov wrote:
Condemn, governments are so backwards and outdated. We do commend the NNP wich connects people to the Cross-Net though. A similar system is in use in/at many Volnotovian corporations(The Volnotovian people do not mind having weird cybernetic devices being implanted into their bodies as the Volnotovian people are already fully intigrated with technology, to be exact - they could not survive without the numerous nano-, gene- and neurotechnological devices that enhance their bodies).


If the State of Volnotov would be a person it would be a sociopathic, sadistic, psychopathic mass-murderer.


Condemn (I don't care if it's already been done, I'm doing it now and I have different reasons) - murderers who have no reason to do so, must be put down.

In Basementees, we put chips into every citizen's head, so that they can be prevented from committing criminal offences. The chip also allows us gain evidence for crimes as it records things.


Condemn, that's the term "Thought crime" literally put to use!
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Postby Volnotov » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:39 pm

Basementees wrote:
Volnotov wrote:
Condemn, governments are so backwards and outdated. We do commend the NNP wich connects people to the Cross-Net though. A similar system is in use in/at many Volnotovian corporations(The Volnotovian people do not mind having weird cybernetic devices being implanted into their bodies as the Volnotovian people are already fully intigrated with technology, to be exact - they could not survive without the numerous nano-, gene- and neurotechnological devices that enhance their bodies).


If the State of Volnotov would be a person it would be a sociopathic, sadistic, psychopathic mass-murderer.


Condemn (I don't care if it's already been done, I'm doing it now and I have different reasons) - murderers who have no reason to do so, must be put down.

In Basementees, we put chips into every citizen's head, so that they can be prevented from committing criminal offences. The chip also allows us gain evidence for crimes as it records things.


Condemn

In the State of Volnotov people are simply "designed" by their corporation or syndicate. Unmodified/Unenhanced people no longer exist. In case someone turns out to be a thief/murdered/ect. he/she will be dealt with(Incineration, forced labour, slavery, experimentation, organ haversting, ect).
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Postby Kreanoltha » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:41 pm

Volnotov wrote:In the State of Volnotov people are simply "designed" by their corporation or syndicate. Unmodified/Unenhanced people no longer exist. In case someone turns out to be a thief/murdered/ect. he/she will be dealt with(Incineration, forced labour, slavery, experimentation, organ haversting, ect).


Condemn. I don't think we need to enumerate our reasons.


In the IIRK we do not have an equivalent to the "FBI". The government contracts private firms in stead. We do however maintain the KIR, a combination of the US's CIA and NSA.
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Postby La Arcata » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:44 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:
Volnotov wrote:In the State of Volnotov people are simply "designed" by their corporation or syndicate. Unmodified/Unenhanced people no longer exist. In case someone turns out to be a thief/murdered/ect. he/she will be dealt with(Incineration, forced labour, slavery, experimentation, organ haversting, ect).


Condemn. I don't think we need to enumerate our reasons.


In the IIRK we do not have an equivalent to the "FBI". The government contracts private firms in stead. We do however maintain the KIR, a combination of the US's CIA and NSA.


Condemn. We do not believe national security should be left to private firms.

In light of the massive costs of lawsuits, La Arcata has legalized dueling.

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Postby Volnotov » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:47 pm

La Arcata wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:
Condemn. I don't think we need to enumerate our reasons.


In the IIRK we do not have an equivalent to the "FBI". The government contracts private firms in stead. We do however maintain the KIR, a combination of the US's CIA and NSA.


Condemn. We do not believe national security should be left to private firms.

In light of the massive costs of lawsuits, La Arcata has legalized dueling.


Commend!


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Postby Kreanoltha » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:50 pm

La Arcata wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:In the IIRK we do not have an equivalent to the "FBI". The government contracts private firms in stead. We do however maintain the KIR, a combination of the US's CIA and NSA.


Condemn. We do not believe national security should be left to private firms.


National security? The FBI has nothing to do with national security. It's the federal government's detective agency. It makes perfect sense to privatize it.

@Volnotov: Commend. It makes perfect sense to legalize it. Dueling has a proud tradition.



In the IIRK it is illegal to nationalize anything not expressly declared in the Kreanolthan Constitution. Doing so is grounds for summary impeachment.
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Postby Saurisia » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:54 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:
La Arcata wrote:
Condemn. We do not believe national security should be left to private firms.


National security? The FBI has nothing to do with national security. It's the federal government's detective agency. It makes perfect sense to privatize it.

@Volnotov: Commend. It makes perfect sense to legalize it. Dueling has a proud tradition.



In the IIRK it is illegal to nationalize anything not expressly declared in the Kreanolthan Constitution. Doing so is grounds for summary impeachment.


Commend

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Pythria wrote:Fascist dictatorship run by dinosaurs. I like it
Tartonica wrote:2/10 because dinosaurs do NOT rule nations (Except for Saurisia)
The Tavan Race wrote:Yeah, your nation scares me
Wolohanistan wrote:Saurisia - Dinosaur Dictatorship is the best dictatorship, not that we support that sort of thing.
Conoga wrote:Dinosaurs-in-Bikinis-Boy
Lancov wrote:Condemn, because we now have to go soak our brains in bleach.
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Postby Volnotov » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:56 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:In the IIRK it is illegal to nationalize anything not expressly declared in the Kreanolthan Constitution. Doing so is grounds for summary impeachment.


Commend.

@Saurisia
Commend(for some reason).



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