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Postby Crookfur » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:17 pm

Satirius wrote:
Imeriata wrote:
Satirius wrote:I know what a delta wing is, I've never seen one cranked outwards before.

The avro Vulcan I believe it was I used as a general template for them.

I see the resemblance, but the wing still doesn't curve outwards until it gets close to the tip.


The planform discussed actually looks far more Viggenish although I can see the vulcan roots
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Postby Imeriata » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:21 pm

Satirius wrote:
Imeriata wrote:
Satirius wrote:I know what a delta wing is, I've never seen one cranked outwards before.

The avro Vulcan I believe it was I used as a general template for them.

I see the resemblance, but the wing still doesn't curve outwards until it gets close to the tip.

Well that is mostly my fault as I didn't look at the wings close enough when I drew it.
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Postby Caporria » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:21 pm

F-35 JSF stealth fighter/bomber
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Postby Bafuria » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:22 pm

Caporria wrote:F-35 JSF stealth fighter/bomber
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Postby The Sentenial Empire » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:31 pm

We use a Sentenial Nationalized version of the B1-R
known as the B1-SEN

We upgraded our Antigone Flying Wings which are used simmilar to the B2 but with a larger payload. The crew lays on their stomachs in pods and relys on instruments to see. Only the pilot has a small visual area in case of instrument failure. It is more practical than the B1 in price though costing about as much to re outfit a b52 allowing us to deploy 412 of these bombers.
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Postby Industrialist Species » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:42 pm

W-199 long-range bomber
(in RL it would be a 767 cargo plane with doors to drop bombs and rockets, rockets on the wings)

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Postby Estainia » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:00 pm

...Likely something Belkan. Maybe something Birkanian if I can get that deal to go through.
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Postby Goram » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:33 pm

It's not a strategic bomber, but it carries a fairly hefty payload none the less

UKG Maelstrom Mark I
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The UKG Maelstrom is a twin-engine, straight-wing jet aircraft developed by Peacemaker in the early 1970s. The aircraft was designed for an Air force requirement to provide close air support (CAS) for ground forces by attacking tanks, armored vehicles, and other ground targets with a limited air interdiction capability. It is the first Royal Air Force aircraft designed exclusively for close air support.
The airframe is built around the 30mm automatic cannon located in the nose of the aircraft. This is the aeroplane’s primary armament. The hull incorporates over 1,200 pounds of Titanium armour (tested to withstand strikes from 23mm cannon at any angle and some 57mm rounds.) as protection from ground fire. This aircraft is designed to keep on flying with extensive damage, whilst keeping the pilot safe.
The Maelstrom has superior maneuverability at low speeds and altitude, due to large wing area, high wing aspect ratio, and large ailerons. The large high aspect ratio wing also allows for short takeoffs and landings, permitting operations from primitive forward airfields near front lines. The aircraft can loiter for extended periods of time and operate under 1,000 ft ceilings with 1.5 mile visibility. It typically flies at a relatively slow speed of 300 knots, which makes it a much better platform for the ground-attack role than fast fighter-bombers, which often have difficulty targeting small and slow-moving targets.
Engine exhaust passes over the aircraft's horizontal stabilizer and between the twin tails, decreasing the aircraft’s infrared signature and lowering the likelihood that it can be targeted by heat-seeking missiles. The leading edge of the wing is honeycomb panel construction to provide strength with minimal weight compromise. Honeycomb panels of this type on the UKG include the flap shrouds, elevators, rudders and other sections of the fins. The aircraft is designed to fly with one engine, one tail, one elevator and half a wing torn off. Its self-sealing fuel tanks are protected by fire-retardant foam. The UKG’s main landing gear is designed so that the wheels semi-protrude from their nacelles when the gear is retracted so as to make gear-up landings (belly landing) easier to control and less damaging to the aircraft's underside.
The Maelstrom's fuel system components are protected in multiple ways. All four fuel tanks are near the center of the aircraft, reducing the likelihood that they will be hit or separated from the engines. The tanks are separate from the fuselage; thus, projectiles would need to penetrate the skin before reaching the tank. The refueling system is purged after use so that all fuel in the aircraft is protected. All fuel lines will seal if they are compromised in anyway.
The primary weapon is the HC-69 Avenger Gatling style 30mm cannon found in the nose of the aircraft. With a rate of fire at 3,900 rounds per minute, it can place 90% of rounds fired within 30 feet of the target, when firing from a shallow dive from 4,000 feet. A hugely protected drum magazine contains the 1,500 30mm rounds carried for the gun. These round are depleted uranium and can penetrate a modern tank at over 4 miles away. The aircraft can utilize AGM-94 Magician Air-to-surface missiles, fired from longer range than most modern anti-aircraft weapons. It will often incorporate rocket pods, laser guided bombs, JDAMs and dumb bombs.

GENERAL
Crew: 1
Length: 55 ft 6 in
Wingspan: 57 ft 6 in
Height: 14 ft 8 in
Wing area: 556 ft²
Empty weight: 24,066 lb
Loaded weight: 35,222 lb. On CAS mission: 50,222 lb. On anti-armor mission: 48,222 lb
Max takeoff weight: 55,000 lb
Powerplant: 2x PackardRoyce TF-200B Turbofans

Performance
Never exceed speed: 450 knots at 5,000 ft
Maximum speed: 381 knots at sea level
Cruise speed: 300 knots
Stall speed: 120 knots
Combat radius: 275 nautical miles
Service ceiling: 45,000 ft
Weapons
Guns: HC-69 Avenger 30mm automatic cannon with 1,500 rounds of depleted uranium ammunition
Hardpoints: x10 under wings, x 5 under fuselage pylons capable of holding 25,000 pounds of ordinance.

Rockets: 15 ALR-99 rocket pods (70 ALR-99 rockets in each)
10 ALR-75 rocket pods (70 ALR-99 Rockets in each) and 5 ALR-99 rocket pods

Missiles: 10 AGM-94 Magician missiles, 3 AGM-78 Maverick missiles, 2 ATA-4 Mage missiles for self defence.

Bombs: 15 Mark 55 unguided bombs OR Mark 34 Incendiary bombs
3 Gatekeeper Laser Guided Bombs
2 Blocker JDAM’s
10 CB-99 cluster bomb pods
1 N-1 Tactical Nuclear Device

Other: CH-99 chaff dispensers
Peacemaker Targeting Pod for Gatekeeper LGB’s
X2 600 gallon drop tanks
ECM pod

Avionics: HUD to improve air-to-ground support and will designate hostile and friendly targets with different indicators to prevent Blue on Blue fire.

PathFinder laser tracker used to feed information into the weapons systems, used to drastically improve accuracy of guided and dumb weapons

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Postby Inutoland » Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:43 pm

Satirius wrote:I know what a delta wing is, I've never seen one cranked outwards before.


IRL the Indian HAL Tejas has an outward-cranked delta wing. I used it as part of the visual basis of my TSR-17 Cladosictis fighter.

Back on topic, the main bombers of Inutoland (so far) are:
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TSR-9 Mastodon strategic bomber

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TSR-7 Condor strategic reconnaissance bomber

(OOC: I'm still working on the B-1/B-2-alike)

For tactical bombers, the TSR-17 (above) is replacing the W-11 Bathawk:
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Postby Satirius » Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:11 pm

Inutoland wrote:
Satirius wrote:I know what a delta wing is, I've never seen one cranked outwards before.


IRL the Indian HAL Tejas has an outward-cranked delta wing. I used it as part of the visual basis of my TSR-17 Cladosictis fighter.

This is the first one I've seen with an outward crank, then.
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Postby Inutoland » Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:16 pm

GOram wrote:It's not a strategic bomber, but it carries a fairly hefty payload none the less

UKG Maelstrom Mark I
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The UKG Maelstrom is a twin-engine, straight-wing jet aircraft developed by Peacemaker in the early 1970s. The aircraft was designed for an Air force requirement to provide close air support (CAS) for ground forces by attacking tanks, armored vehicles, and other ground targets with a limited air interdiction capability. It is the first Royal Air Force aircraft designed exclusively for close air support.
The airframe is built around the 30mm automatic cannon located in the nose of the aircraft. This is the aeroplane’s primary armament. The hull incorporates over 1,200 pounds of Titanium armour (tested to withstand strikes from 23mm cannon at any angle and some 57mm rounds.) as protection from ground fire. This aircraft is designed to keep on flying with extensive damage, whilst keeping the pilot safe.
The Maelstrom has superior maneuverability at low speeds and altitude, due to large wing area, high wing aspect ratio, and large ailerons. The large high aspect ratio wing also allows for short takeoffs and landings, permitting operations from primitive forward airfields near front lines. The aircraft can loiter for extended periods of time and operate under 1,000 ft ceilings with 1.5 mile visibility. It typically flies at a relatively slow speed of 300 knots, which makes it a much better platform for the ground-attack role than fast fighter-bombers, which often have difficulty targeting small and slow-moving targets.
Engine exhaust passes over the aircraft's horizontal stabilizer and between the twin tails, decreasing the aircraft’s infrared signature and lowering the likelihood that it can be targeted by heat-seeking missiles. The leading edge of the wing is honeycomb panel construction to provide strength with minimal weight compromise. Honeycomb panels of this type on the UKG include the flap shrouds, elevators, rudders and other sections of the fins. The aircraft is designed to fly with one engine, one tail, one elevator and half a wing torn off. Its self-sealing fuel tanks are protected by fire-retardant foam. The UKG’s main landing gear is designed so that the wheels semi-protrude from their nacelles when the gear is retracted so as to make gear-up landings (belly landing) easier to control and less damaging to the aircraft's underside.
The Maelstrom's fuel system components are protected in multiple ways. All four fuel tanks are near the center of the aircraft, reducing the likelihood that they will be hit or separated from the engines. The tanks are separate from the fuselage; thus, projectiles would need to penetrate the skin before reaching the tank. The refueling system is purged after use so that all fuel in the aircraft is protected. All fuel lines will seal if they are compromised in anyway.
The primary weapon is the HC-69 Avenger Gatling style 30mm cannon found in the nose of the aircraft. With a rate of fire at 3,900 rounds per minute, it can place 90% of rounds fired within 30 feet of the target, when firing from a shallow dive from 4,000 feet. A hugely protected drum magazine contains the 1,500 30mm rounds carried for the gun. These round are depleted uranium and can penetrate a modern tank at over 4 miles away. The aircraft can utilize AGM-94 Magician Air-to-surface missiles, fired from longer range than most modern anti-aircraft weapons. It will often incorporate rocket pods, laser guided bombs, JDAMs and dumb bombs.

GENERAL
Crew: 1
Length: 55 ft 6 in
Wingspan: 57 ft 6 in
Height: 14 ft 8 in
Wing area: 556 ft²
Empty weight: 24,066 lb
Loaded weight: 35,222 lb. On CAS mission: 50,222 lb. On anti-armor mission: 48,222 lb
Max takeoff weight: 55,000 lb
Powerplant: 2x PackardRoyce TF-200B Turbofans

Performance
Never exceed speed: 450 knots at 5,000 ft
Maximum speed: 381 knots at sea level
Cruise speed: 300 knots
Stall speed: 120 knots
Combat radius: 275 nautical miles
Service ceiling: 45,000 ft
Weapons
Guns: HC-69 Avenger 30mm automatic cannon with 1,500 rounds of depleted uranium ammunition
Hardpoints: x10 under wings, x 5 under fuselage pylons capable of holding 25,000 pounds of ordinance.

Rockets: 15 ALR-99 rocket pods (70 ALR-99 rockets in each)
10 ALR-75 rocket pods (70 ALR-99 Rockets in each) and 5 ALR-99 rocket pods

Missiles: 10 AGM-94 Magician missiles, 3 AGM-78 Maverick missiles, 2 ATA-4 Mage missiles for self defence.

Bombs: 15 Mark 55 unguided bombs OR Mark 34 Incendiary bombs
3 Gatekeeper Laser Guided Bombs
2 Blocker JDAM’s
10 CB-99 cluster bomb pods
1 N-1 Tactical Nuclear Device

Other: CH-99 chaff dispensers
Peacemaker Targeting Pod for Gatekeeper LGB’s
X2 600 gallon drop tanks
ECM pod

Avionics: HUD to improve air-to-ground support and will designate hostile and friendly targets with different indicators to prevent Blue on Blue fire.

PathFinder laser tracker used to feed information into the weapons systems, used to drastically improve accuracy of guided and dumb weapons

PRICE: 22 Million USD


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Postby Transnapastain » Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:18 pm

As it does not fit with our doctrine, we utilize no heavy bomber force, such as B-52's or Tu-95's. instead, our bomber fleet is comprised of high-speed agile bombers, an excerpt from my factbook.

Factbook wrote:B-118

The B-118 is the heaviest bomber in the Transnapastaini Airfleet. Transnapastaini doctrine does not support the use of heavy, strategic bombers, and, instead, support smaller, lighter, faster bombers. These bombers use their speed to surprise the enemy and penetrate areas and hit their targets, while using speed and ECM abilities to evade destruction by enemy AA. It is capable of all-weather operation. The B118 is the only swing-wing aircraft in use by Transnapastain. The bombers advanced radar allow it to engage multiple targets, and it is capable of terrain following. In addition, it is able to accurate tracking moving targets on the ground. The B-118's defensive electronics include tradar warning and defensive jamming equipment, linked to a total of eight flare dispensers located on top behind the canopy, which are handled by the avionics management system. The dispenser has a capacity of flares each. The flares used are one of the largest infrared countermeasure flares having a gross weight of ~1170 g The cylindrical Magnesium/Teflon/Viton pellet has a net weight of ~1470 g. The B-118 has also been equipped to carry a Towed Decoy System. The B-118 has an additional tail-warning radar to detect aircraft or missiles approaching from the rear. Also aiding the B-118's survivability is its relatively low radar cross-section (RCS). Although not technically a stealth aircraft. thanks to the aircraft's structure, serpentine intake paths and use of radar-absorbent material its RCS. It is fully integrated into CIMS and BCS, and is able to receive targets, but not upload them. The B-118 carries a variety of weapons, and in rated to carry both chemical and nerve agent bombs, as well as nuclear weapons.

Crew: 4 (aircraft commander, copilot, offensive systems officer and defensive systems officer)
Payload: 125,000 lb internal and external ordnance total
Length: 146 ft
Wingspan: 137 ft (Extended), 79 ft (Swept)
Height: 34 ft
Wing area: 1,950 ft²
Empty weight: 192,000 lb
Loaded weight: 326,000 lb
Max takeoff weight: 477,000 lb
Fuel capacity, optional: 10,000 U.S. gal
Maximum speed: 1,380 mph
Range: 12,300 km
Combat radius: 4,536 mi
Service ceiling: 49,200 ft
Rate of climb: 13,860 ft/min
Armament: Any combination of the following in 3 internal bays,) ARM-177 anti-radar missile (16, rotary launcher), AAM-10 Radar guided air-to-air missile (16, rotary launcher), AGM-180 radar guided air-to-ground missile (16, rotary launcher), AOD-1 (anti-satellite Device, 16 rotary launcher) UGB-10 unguided bombs (various yields, 24-88 depending on yield) UNB-4 (unguided napalm bomb 84) UIB-13 (FAE 48) CB-180 cluster bombs (84), RBB-5 (runway busting bomb 40), RGPB-90 radar guided penetrator bomb (24) LGB-1 and LGPB-2 (Laser guided bomb and penetrator bomb, 24) TVGB-1 (TV guided bomb 18), LRCM-17 (16 rotary launcher), ASM-17 anti-shipping missile (16, rotary launcher), M-90 and M-120 naval mines (24-84), MD-80 anti-personal mine dispenser (16, rotary launcher) B-9 Nuclear gravity bombs (24) GPBN-70 (guided nuclear penetrator bombs) X-23 (Binary nerve agent, 24), X-24 (ChemCon air-burst device)
Counter-measures:Flares and chaff, IR signal mask, limited ECM ability to confuse enemy radar and radar guided missiles, towed decoy.


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Postby Senestrum » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:59 pm

In the Senestrian Aerospace Force (which never left the 70s, at least as far as doctrine and aircraft design philosophies), all bombers must possess two traits: they must be able to fly HIGH, and fly FAST.

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BM-42 high-altitude bomber, manufactured by Indra Defense, a subsidiary of Varuna Aerospace Solutions.


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Unknown Senestrian bomber aircraft, photographed climbing at an extreme rate by an electro-optical surveillance device mounted on an interceptor from the Foundation of Terran Tribes.
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Postby Auremena » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:02 pm

The B1B and B2A are going to be replaced with a new ATD bomber.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:21 pm

CAS: FMA-6D, Mil-Mi-6>helicopter gunship

Medium Tactical Bombers: F-4J Pahntom II (retired)

Heavy Tactical Bombers: HF-7, Su-34

Strategic: B-52 (I've still got six of my original twelve, mostly used as missile-busses) ABC-130H Hercules (bombs really don't care whether you drop them from a bay or a ramp).

HF-7 Long-range tactical bomber.
Due to the growing concern over the longevity of the F-4 Pantom IIs currently serving in the Hurtian air-arm, and the availability of modern aircraft from friendly nations to fit within a limited budget, weapons procurement was in a jam...

Due to a sever lack of conventional materials for building aircraft, a limited quantity of war-weary frontline aircraft had been slated for scrapping. This however, only allowed for 100 metric tons of vital war materials to be divided amongst what was planned to be no less than 100 twin-engined airframes.

A stopgap purchase of F-5Ms were made, but the performance of these was found quite lacking compared to the aircraft it was to replace (the F-4) in both BVR air to air and general-purpose ground-pounding, the ground pounding in particular. However, the real value of this purchase lay in knowledge of the "fiberglass" TF-70 engine from Aerospace Logistics and how to build more of them.


Airframe construction:
No more than 15% alumunum-lithium and no more than 5% titanium. These are primarily used in the engine, wing-pivot, and high-stress/high-temperature areas.

Bulk of frame is of reinforced polymers such as but not limited to carbon-impregnated epoxy, with thin-strand aluminum/copper reinforcing wires to improve max wing-loading and heat dispersion.

Propulsion/Engine:
Twin engines based upon ALC (V10's) TF70 design (itself a plasticized copy of the GE F404/F414), there is some controversy as to whether this copying of a protected company secret has been legitimate or a product of poor reverse engineering, as the indiginously produced engines have been observed suffering various problems and generally performing less than anticipated.

The noted lack of sustained thrust has forced the design-team to consider the plane a long-range tactical bomber, rather than as the originally planned multi-role long-range interceptor.

In spite of the engine's shortcomings, they have been used to demonstrate supersonic sprints near ground level, though authorities have denied the press from observing the aftermath of these demonstrations upon the airframes.

The hurtian engine has been reported to burn methane* and involves water-alchohol injection and/or a water-jacket to help cool the entire engine during full power usage. Other forms of active cooling are aparently used, due to the distinct ram-air intakes nested within the wing glove.

The main engine intakes are alongside the fusalage, and features a split-S bend, presumably to reduce RCS.

*Although no tanker in Hurtian service is rated to pump methane, the F-7 is fitted both with a refueling probe and high-pressure boom receptacle.

Aerodynamic considerations:
Due to the limited nature of hurtian airfields, the ever-increasing size of the plane, and the reliability issues associated with blown lifting-surfaces powered by the unreliable engine available, resaulted in the decision to use the archiac and out of place swing-wing.

Inevitably, this feature used up a considerable portion of critically rationed allotment of titanium, but it was deemed that this would return the favor with improved reliability and better performance.

Then came the issue of control. With the wings swept, normal aileron control would prove useless, and spoilers could prove fataly unresponsive. It was decided to use a flying tail-surface and spoilers inside the exhaust-nozzles to facilitate rapid high-speed manuvering at high and low altitude with and without power.

However, it was noted that excessive use of engine-spoilers or thrust-reversers would damage the tailframe, so this feature was deleted in early models until 2D thrust vectoring was decided upon instead.

The front of the fusalage was given chines with spoilers for redundancy, as the butterfly tail-surfaces were designed to be considerably more vertical and each placed outboard the engines.

Another interesting feature of the plane was a "dogtooth" on the outer edge of each wing-glove to further improve handling at high angles of attack, presumably reflecting the last second change in role from a lightly loaded interceptor to a heavily laden bomber. This dogtooth also seems to be used to break the shock-wave upon the ram-air intakes and pitot tubes.

Electronics/Avionics:
For a "mud-mover", the sensors are quite advanced, containing no less than three IIR modules allowing a passive "look-down, shoot-down" capability, each slewed to their own laser-designator, allowing LOBL-LOS from the aircraft and hands-free targeting during highly evasive manuvers so long as the target remains within the 270 degree frontal arc.

Advanced software has allowed each IIR/Laser module to frequency hop and designate for two targets each.

The radar, of course, is no less advanced, being literally ripped from pre-existing long-range missile interceptors, allows for active tracking of enemy ships out to many hundreds of kilometers. and with finite enough resolution for Terrain-contour mapping, navigation, and reconisance.

Included, is a strap-down ring-laser gyroed inertial guidance that recieves updates from GPS, ground control stations, and known TERCOM maps in order to penetrate deep into enemy territory with zero radiological emissions.

And last but not least, an advanced Radar Warning Array built conformal to the outer body of the plane, linked with active radar cancelation software routed through the powerful AESA radar and other electronic countermeasures. All of these features are managed by the Weapon Systems Operator in the starboard section of the cockpit. But in the event of incapacitation, the main computer will automatcly deploy countermeasures if enabled, or will prompt the either of the crew to do so, simply by biting the microphone, affectionatly dubbed "the panic button".

Avionics countermeasures, controls, sensors, other:
In the nose is a large AESA radar which was not being used by the other team's aircraft (which used tandem seating), ASQ-228 ATFLIR, and a laser-rangefinder for the semi-integral recessed gunpod capable of utilizing a wide variety of calibers, but usually loaded with a single 35 mm revolver cannon with 80 rounds in a closed-loop linkless feed system.

Along the each wing glove is an additional RWR and side-looking IR, which combined with the other sensors, provides unprecedented situational awareness out to 600 km, and can locate and track up to 50 targets out to 400 km away. However, constraints on the fire-control system limits each plane to engaging an absolute maximum of 6 targets simultaniously out to only 100 km away. But considering that these planes can only mount weapons onto 12 of their hardpoints, this is acceptable as it is customary to shoot two missiles at each target.

However, all this information would be useless if it wasn't displayed properly on the five multi-function displays, HUD, and centraly located Weapons-scope.

Essential avionics have analog backups, such as airspeed indicator, altimeter, fuel-gauge, engine temprature gauge, and free-floating magnetic compass that doubles as an artificial horizon. Additional bobble-heads are optional.

Crew Comfort and Safety:
The cockpit seats a pair of operators side-by-side (WSO starboard, pilot to port) with a wide corridor down the center and a small galley in the back (mini-fridge, thermos of coffee, hot-plate, and a crock-pot), though it is only accessible by lying on one's back. This was allowed due to the long endurance this plane must have, with sorties expected to last up to 20 hours without any relief aside from IAR and radio chatter.

The other reason for the side-seating was because the twin-engine layout and large Radar were quite wide, and because "tandem seating looked fugly".

Throttle controls are centrally located, with integral HOTAS for basic pilot functions, while the WSO is tasked with updating and maintaining the computer's simple AI control interface and "roll+pitch" auto-pilot settings and navigation, which was stripped from an advanced cruise missile.

The single canopy was hinged at the rear and locked in front for normal use however, when ejecting the rear hinge is blown and the entire screw-seating-compartment (mini-fridge included) would ride-up, with the roll-bar snagging a hook near the hinge to shear-off the front clasp, forming a large clamshell and protecting the crew no matter where they were. Rapid deceleration from the crew's drogue-chutes in the slipstream would later remove the canopy and allow the crew to parachute safely on their own. A third and international-orange parachute would safely lower the mini-fridge to the ground intact, and in the event of water bailout, would act as a flotation device.

If however, the explosive hinge-bolts fail to detonate, the roll-bar can also be used to penetrate the canopy, though this subjects the crew to high-velocity shards of polycarbonate.

The last option, in the event that your CO removed and sold your ejection seats on the black-market, is to grab the mini-fridge, open the front clasp, and jump. The mini-fridge is important in the event your CO stole one of your parachutes, and so you, your co-pilot, and the mini-fridge, may have to share.

Weapons/Armament:
Each wing glove has three weapons hardpoints rated to 500 kg each mounted underwing, with provisions for an additional hardpoint on the "dogtooth" (150 kg each [hints at using AAM-97L]). While the outboard wing sections each carry two fixed pylons that do not swing with the wing, these are rated for 250 kg and are angled 45 degrees inward. Under the fusalage are a pair of long pyons each rated for 2,000 kg (so it may carry the Hurtian ELRAAM). Brining the max warload to 8,300 kg of external weapons stores.

Under the nose is a recessed bay for an integral gunpod and FLIR, in practice, this is a 35 mm cannon with 60 rounds.

Stats:
Crew: 2
Crew accomodations: 2 seated, 1 bedded
Companion-cube/Mini-Fridge Dimensions: 50 cm x 75 cm x 25 cm

Dimensions:
Length: 21 meters
Wingspan, Swept 22.5 degrees: 20 meters
Wingspan, Swept 70 degrees: 12 meters
Height: 5 meters

Wieghts:
Empty: 18,000 kg
Loaded: 22,000 kg
MTOW: 37,000 kg

Powerplant:
Engines: Two TF-70 non-afterburning low-bypass turbofans
Dry: 60 to 70 kN each
Water-injected: ~90 kN each
Fuel: CH4 /w/ water injection OR kerosene
Internal Fuel capacity (methane): 6,000 kg
Internal Water/kerosene Capacity: 500 kg

Performance:
Max speed (altitude): 990 knots (limited by fixed intakes)
Max speed (sea level): 862 knots
Supercruise speed: 800 knots
Cruise speed: 550 knots
Rate of Climb: 110 m/s
Range (combat, max load): 600 km
Range (6000 kg bomload): 800 km
Range (4000 kg bomload): 1,100 km
Range (ferry): 13,000 km

Armarment:
Gun: Integral gunpod, 35 mm
Pylons:
2x fusalage (1,000 kg ea), 6x under wing gloves (500 kg ea), 2x over wigh glove (100 kg each), 4x outer wing (500 kg ea)

Fire-control system:
Range:
Effective RWR tracking range: 400 NM
Effective AESA Radar range: 150 NM
FLIR range: 30 NM
Targeting coverage:
Radar: 60 degrees off boresight
Laser: 270 degrees off coverage, 3.5 laser designaters
IR: 30 degrees off-boresight /w/ AIM-9P5, 2 overhead rails

Cost to build: $35 million each


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Postby The LORD CHEESE » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:25 pm

We use modified F22 and F22 FB for most air force needs as well as a few other thing we pick up, but soon bombers will be unnecessary when we finish project code named "Lord Cheese's fist" open for suggestions for new aircraft and willing to purchase most of the country' budget goes into the military and the air force is the one thing I didn't plan too well for choosing aircraft just always loved the Raptor. Thanx

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:36 pm

@ Lord Cheese: Read the post above yours, without blinking, incluing the spoiler-tab.

Pro-tip: crying keeps your eyes from drying out.
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Postby Ramsetia » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:40 pm

For smaller-scale bombing operations, where the activation and use of a cruiser-class airship or blastboats is not appropriate, the Imperial Defence Force will utilise a modified Thor fighter aircraft, nicknamed 'Baldr'.

Given larger wings, and a broader nose and cockpit sporting canard control surfaces, the swing-wing mechanism is removed and replaced with static horizontal, forward-swept wings. The central body is built more thickly to allow for more fuel and a higher payload, while the extended cockpit and it's amenities remove the space normally taken up by the central lift turbine, restricting the Baldr to High-Angle STOL, or if completely loaded on underwing hardpoints, as well as internal bays, standard take-off and landing.

There is a distinct limitation on the speed compared to the Interceptor/Escort variant of the airframe, and the Baldr cannot exceed approximately mach 1.8 at altitude, regardless of loadout, according to the factory. In practise, the Baldr has been clocked at Mach 2 with no ill effects on the airframe.

It sports a crew of two, sitting side-by side in a cowled and pressurised cabin which sports a small mess and head behind the pilot's seats. While cramped, the cockpit has been designed for comfort on excessively long flights that the aircraft may be required to make, and even sport a (child-sized, according to some pilots) single sleeping bunk. The avionics kits hook up to the crew's helmets, utilising the Indigenous 'Hod's eyes' Eyes-Up display, or a simplified HUD.

It's capable of making precision missile strikes, or delivering large amounts of unguided ordinance. It is not well-suited to Close Air Support missions, but if there are no other applicable aircraft, they can and will be used in this position.

OOC; no picture available, but it's basically to the basic Thor, what the Cy-34 'Fullback' is to the Cy-27 'Flanker'.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:47 pm

Seems closer to the MiG-23 modded into a MiG-27, what with the downgraded intakes shunting engine performance at altitude.

Anyways, it seems an interesting design, if a little short-winded compared to mine (which did its best to keep a blistering low-altitude 'dash' speed).

Not too many types of aircraft can exceed 850 knots in ground-effect.
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Postby Ramsetia » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:52 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Seems closer to the MiG-23 modded into a MiG-27, what with the downgraded intakes shunting engine performance at altitude.

Anyways, it seems an interesting design, if a little short-winded compared to mine (which did its best to keep a blistering low-altitude 'dash' speed).


Because I've never used it in an RP, I don't have any way to presume it's effectiveness. I don't wanna go spouting off a load capability that sounds completely stupid for an airframe based off an interceptor/escort fighter

The reason I picked the Sukois for the comparison was the fact that the Fullback has an extended cockpit and the altered air intakes as well. I could have said it was more similar to the F-14 Bombcat against the Tomcat, or the '15 ground-attack strike eagle against the standard 15Ds.

It's a pretty common concept, come to think of it.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:54 pm

Yeah, it is.

Was tempted to field a bomber-ized MiG-25 Foxbat to get around my indiginous resource-problems...

Kinda funny that both planes run into the problem of their engines just not being durable enough to push the airframe to its limit properly.

(The F-105 max'd at 750 kts on the deck, and it can usually outrun a loaded F-4 pahntom, which can outrun just about everything except maybe a 'centurey-series' fighter.)
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Postby Phonencia » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:57 pm

The B-52 Stratofortress, it's great for our beach landing strategies. bomb the shit out of everything on the beach, and everything else 3 miles inland, then send the biggest military bitch slap EVER onto the shores in the form of millions of raving mad soldiers and more tanks than God.
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Postby Jeuna » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:13 pm

Some nitpicks.

Satirius wrote:Artillery cannot drop 22-ton projectiles right on top of a fortified position


There are no 22-tonne bombs, and you'd be very surprised at the accuracy of modern artillery. Something like a six-metre miss distance for guided rounds.

open up from hundreds of miles away with air-launched cruise missiles


If we're talking cruise missiles, then we're talking 250–400 kilometres or more, plus the range of the aircraft. But, yes, ~25 km is far less than that.

or tank-raping AGM's or PGM's(did you know that in Gulf War One the weapon credited with the most tank kills was the laser-guided Paveway II?).


I'm convinced that the reason we relied so much on air power in GW1 was primarily that we were terrified of Iraq's army. Had we known that Iraq didn't have one of the world's most advanced and numerous armies (which was widely believed to be true), there probably wouldn't have been so many air missions, at least in such a singular fashion, and so many Paveway kills. It's also something to think about when you consider how leisurely and how quickly we were able to chase off Iraq's air force, which against a more prepared enemy wouldn't have been possible (and would have necessitated a much more closely-coordinated ground campaign).

obtw Satirius uses B-47s for the lulz. Light bombing is done by LY908 fighter-bombers, and the Air Command lack a suitable lolstelf craft to use as a bomber.


Why use the B-47? Hustler is more legit. :< I'd offer the Type 93, but I'm still figuring it out and it's not stealthy in the least.
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Postby Ramsetia » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:39 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Yeah, it is.

Was tempted to field a bomber-ized MiG-25 Foxbat to get around my indiginous resource-problems...

Kinda funny that both planes run into the problem of their engines just not being durable enough to push the airframe to its limit properly.

(The F-105 max'd at 750 kts on the deck, and it can usually outrun a loaded F-4 pahntom, which can outrun just about everything except maybe a 'centurey-series' fighter.)


I don't have exact figures on the Thor/Baldr engines, with the Thor, it's an airframe problem...the big pancake to limit lift difficulties in a swing-wing design takes up the entire back half of the craft...It doesn't look like it'd enjoy being turned all that tightly at it's top speed, so I decided to model it's performance more after SUs, with the high Low-speed maneuvering capabilities instead.

The baldr would be much the same with this big-ass bulbous nose hanging off the front, and the weight of swing-wing mechanisms removed from the back...so I expect that after the payload is used up, it'd be a sluggish, front-heavy kind of aircraft.

Anyway, here's an image
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Postby Dark Side Messiahs » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:46 pm

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