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Wolohanistan
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Postby Wolohanistan » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:44 am

Questers wrote:What sort of gas operation does the WMA Mk 1 use?

Long stroke. I always forget to specify the operation.
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Name of Nation: The Kingdom of Soliath
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Postby Questers » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:52 am

Wolohanistan wrote:
Questers wrote:What sort of gas operation does the WMA Mk 1 use?

Long stroke. I always forget to specify the operation.
In which case you probably don't want the gas port on the bottom. Well, I suppose you don't have to, but the gas port has to line up -- or probably should -- with the bolt carrier which is mechanically fixed to the piston (as opposed to short stroke where it isn't, and direct impingement where there's no piston at all.) I think, anyway. Machine guns like the FN MAG and the M60 don't seem to, though, which is kinda confusing. I think it's because on machineguns which are belt fed/box fed you can have the bolt carrier below the bolt, which you can't have on automatic rifles.
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Postby Wolohanistan » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:59 am

Questers wrote:
Wolohanistan wrote:
Questers wrote:What sort of gas operation does the WMA Mk 1 use?

Long stroke. I always forget to specify the operation.
In which case you probably don't want the gas port on the bottom. Well, I suppose you don't have to, but the gas port has to line up -- or probably should -- with the bolt carrier which is mechanically fixed to the piston (as opposed to short stroke where it isn't, and direct impingement where there's no piston at all.) I think, anyway. Machine guns like the FN MAG and the M60 don't seem to, though, which is kinda confusing. I think it's because on machineguns which are belt fed/box fed you can have the bolt carrier below the bolt, which you can't have on automatic rifles.


I'll add that to the to-do list for the revisit.
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Postby Voerdeland » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:59 am

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Postby Questers » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:59 am

edit nvm
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Postby Imperial isa » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:02 am

Wolohanistan wrote:
Questers wrote:What sort of gas operation does the WMA Mk 1 use?

Long stroke. I always forget to specify the operation.


DAM IT my post didn't work
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Postby Taranys » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:06 am

We managed to get a hold of most of the XM8 data (technical stuff mainly) prior to declaring autonomy and ended up producing our own line based off that. The firearm itself currently fires 5.56x45mm NATO as originally intended, but since we're in no position to produce more gunpowder, we're working on an alternate propellant to use in the ammunition (we may even ditch conventional ammo entirely in favor of a coilgun system, but making such a rifle an automatic weapon, using the same frame, etc. could be a massive R&D headache, so that's a last resort).

While the picture below shows one variant, we did develop all the different modules for the XM8 and, as such, use all it's intended variants. The flexibility lended by it's modular design lets us get away with it being the only issued rifle (it'd help to have specialized rifles for certain things, but due to the events surrounding our nation's founding we needed to pick one good rifle and go).

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Postby Keeial » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:51 am

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Postby Mikedor » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:07 am

Keeial wrote:The p90

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Postby Taranys » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:11 am

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Postby Australien » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:47 am

I think I need a new sniper rifle for my nation, any suggestions for what I should base it off? (And I swear to god, the first person to mention the f***ing '50 cal' will be murdered)
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Postby Ramsetia » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:52 am

Australien wrote:I think I need a new sniper rifle for my nation, any suggestions for what I should base it off? (And I swear to god, the first person to mention the f***ing '50 cal' will be murdered)


The L96A1 or Steyr scout might be a good idea for a dedicated sniper rifle. Since your nation seems to be based off of Australia, the L96 would probably be more accurate to source material, matched up with the appropriate anti-materiel weapon.
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Postby Mikedor » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:52 am

Australien wrote:I think I need a new sniper rifle for my nation, any suggestions for what I should base it off? (And I swear to god, the first person to mention the f***ing '50 cal' will be murdered)

Arctic International L96.

EDIT ^ Steyr Scout doesn't seem to have the range, going by that article.
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Postby Phonencia » Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:01 am

Questers wrote:
Phonencia wrote:I need some help dudes. I'm don't know a whole lot about stuff like the operating system of guns, bolts, etc. etc.
so, could you help me get some stats on this one.

my main rifle is the CP-43.

it's rather short, lightweight, medium ranged, has low recoil, is bullpup and is chambered in both 5.56x45mm and 7.62x39mm rounds which are fired from 20 and 30 round box magazines. I need helping with the stats, here's the pic.

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Ok. The bolt is what pushes the bullet from the magazine into the chamber, then it retracts (by either blowback or gas) and then a spring pushes it forwards to push another round into the chamber after the last one has been fired. That's, briefly, how automatic weapons work. However I don't think there is enough space for the bolt on your gun, because the bolt must go behind the magazine. Just look at the SA80 or the AUG. They have much more space behind the magazine for the bolt.

The other thing is that 5.56 NATO and 7.62 WP are not very similar rounds at all. I don't see why you'd want a weapon that could be chambered for either. 5.56 NATO/7.62 WP are rather different, so you should either pick one, or pick an intermediatery calibre, like 7mm British or 6.5 Grendel.



Thanks dude! I'll go with 6.5 Grendel.
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Postby Ramsetia » Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:06 am

Mikedor wrote:
Australien wrote:I think I need a new sniper rifle for my nation, any suggestions for what I should base it off? (And I swear to god, the first person to mention the f***ing '50 cal' will be murdered)

Arctic International L96.

EDIT ^ Steyr Scout doesn't seem to have the range, going by that article.


It should still be effective for urban use, but there are also other Steyr rifles linked from that article which may be better suited to long-range interdiction
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Postby Satirius » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:16 pm

Taranys wrote:We managed to get a hold of most of the XM8 data (technical stuff mainly) prior to declaring autonomy and ended up producing our own line based off that. The firearm itself currently fires 5.56x45mm NATO as originally intended, but since we're in no position to produce more gunpowder, we're working on an alternate propellant to use in the ammunition (we may even ditch conventional ammo entirely in favor of a coilgun system, but making such a rifle an automatic weapon, using the same frame, etc. could be a massive R&D headache, so that's a last resort).

While the picture below shows one variant, we did develop all the different modules for the XM8 and, as such, use all it's intended variants. The flexibility lended by it's modular design lets us get away with it being the only issued rifle (it'd help to have specialized rifles for certain things, but due to the events surrounding our nation's founding we needed to pick one good rifle and go).

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OOC: The pic is for those that didn't catch on earlier in the thread that someone else is using the XM8 model as well ;)

Tbqh the XM8 is just a G36 with rounded corners, but it doesn't make you any less of a person for using it because the guts of it work just fine. You'd still want higher-caliber rifles/rebores for special operations and marksmen that can drop someone in a single hit, unless you subscribe to the thinking behind the 7x46mm and use it or an equivalent.

Gunpowder is actually p. cheap nowadays though, so lack of powder in your nation shouldn't be a concern at all. If you still want alternate propellants, look into the G11 or the LSAT, or the VEC-91 for caseless lulz.
Australien wrote:I think I need a new sniper rifle for my nation, any suggestions for what I should base it off? (And I swear to god, the first person to mention the f***ing '50 cal' will be murdered)

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Postby Senestrum » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:22 pm

Australien wrote:I think I need a new sniper rifle for my nation, any suggestions for what I should base it off? (And I swear to god, the first person to mention the f***ing '50 cal' will be murdered)

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Because it's not a sniper rifle if you aren't rocking 20mm autocannon rounds.
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Postby Questers » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:38 pm

Australien wrote:I think I need a new sniper rifle for my nation, any suggestions for what I should base it off? (And I swear to god, the first person to mention the f***ing '50 cal' will be murdered)
Try the PSG1.
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Postby Idaho Conservatives » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:08 pm

Dragunovs are also excellent sniper rifles.
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Postby Kivigrad » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:20 pm

Australien wrote:I think I need a new sniper rifle for my nation, any suggestions for what I should base it off? (And I swear to god, the first person to mention the f***ing '50 cal' will be murdered)


I could make one for you, Kivigrad Defense Technologies (my storefront, I've just yet to make a thread) is always taking new orders, or you can use what my military uses.

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7971/mk3lrws.jpg

Weight: 14.3 lb
Length: 48.4 in
Barrel Length: 28 in

Caliber: .338 Lapua Magnum (8.6x70mm)
Operation: Bolt Action
Muzzle Velocity: 3450 ft/s
Effective Range: 1800 yards
Feed System: 5 round detachable box magazine
Sights: 4-12z Leopold scope mounted on a picatinny rail, other optics can be mounted instead.


Idaho Conservatives wrote:Dragunovs are also excellent sniper rifles.

The dragunov is more of a designated marksman rifle than an actual dedicated long range "sniper" rifle.
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Postby Logasiri » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:31 pm

Kivigrad wrote:http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7971/mk3lrws.jpg

Weight: 14.3 lb
Length: 48.4 in
Barrel Length: 28 in

Caliber: .338 Lapua Magnum (8.6x70mm)
Operation: Bolt Action
Muzzle Velocity: 3450 ft/s
Effective Range: 1800 yards
Feed System: 5 round detachable box magazine
Sights: 4-12z Leopold scope mounted on a picatinny rail, other optics can be mounted instead.

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Postby Kivigrad » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:41 pm

Logasiri wrote:
Kivigrad wrote:http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7971/mk3lrws.jpg

Weight: 14.3 lb
Length: 48.4 in
Barrel Length: 28 in

Caliber: .338 Lapua Magnum (8.6x70mm)
Operation: Bolt Action
Muzzle Velocity: 3450 ft/s
Effective Range: 1800 yards
Feed System: 5 round detachable box magazine
Sights: 4-12z Leopold scope mounted on a picatinny rail, other optics can be mounted instead.

That is a great job...


With the ellipsis I can't tell if you're being sincere or sarcastic, damn the interwebs! I'm going to assume the former, thank you.
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Postby Logasiri » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:57 pm

Kivigrad wrote:
Logasiri wrote:
Kivigrad wrote:http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7971/mk3lrws.jpg

Weight: 14.3 lb
Length: 48.4 in
Barrel Length: 28 in

Caliber: .338 Lapua Magnum (8.6x70mm)
Operation: Bolt Action
Muzzle Velocity: 3450 ft/s
Effective Range: 1800 yards
Feed System: 5 round detachable box magazine
Sights: 4-12z Leopold scope mounted on a picatinny rail, other optics can be mounted instead.

That is a great job...


With the ellipsis I can't tell if you're being sincere or sarcastic, damn the interwebs! I'm going to assume the former, thank you.

:D I was being sincere.
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