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Postby New Korongo » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:18 am

i have a better idea, have a guy duct taped to the side of the aircraft to turn the hand crank.

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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:21 am

Tsarist China wrote:
Altamirus wrote:Seriously?


Seriously

Serious enough that all Russian AF planes apparently fly without ammunition in their guns. IDK if the USAF does the same, but flying with ammo in your guns when you're not on a combat mission is kinda silly.


The GSh-6-30/23 have issues, but nothing's suggesting it's related to gas-operation vs electric motor operation.
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Postby Tsarist China » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:24 am

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Tsarist China wrote:
Seriously

Serious enough that all Russian AF planes apparently fly without ammunition in their guns. IDK if the USAF does the same, but flying with ammo in your guns when you're not on a combat mission is kinda silly.


The GSh-6-30/23 have issues, but nothing's suggesting it's related to gas-operation vs electric motor operation.


I've never heard of a chaingun gatling exploding mid-fire, tbh.

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Postby United States of PA » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:24 am

Tsarist China wrote:
Altamirus wrote:Seriously?


Seriously

Serious enough that all Russian AF planes apparently fly without ammunition in their guns. IDK if the USAF does the same, but flying with ammo in your guns when you're not on a combat mission is kinda silly.



Why would the USAF fly without ammo when they dont use Gas Operated Gatling Guns?

The M61 has a electric motor if i recall correctly.
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Postby Tsarist China » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:31 am

United States of PA wrote:
Tsarist China wrote:
Seriously

Serious enough that all Russian AF planes apparently fly without ammunition in their guns. IDK if the USAF does the same, but flying with ammo in your guns when you're not on a combat mission is kinda silly.



Why would the USAF fly without ammo when they dont use Gas Operated Gatling Guns?

The M61 has a electric motor if i recall correctly.


It does.

I just didn't know if the USAF did or didn't.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:32 am

United States of PA wrote:
Tsarist China wrote:
Seriously

Serious enough that all Russian AF planes apparently fly without ammunition in their guns. IDK if the USAF does the same, but flying with ammo in your guns when you're not on a combat mission is kinda silly.



Why would the USAF fly without ammo when they dont use Gas Operated Gatling Guns?

The M61 has a electric motor if i recall correctly.


Indeed it does.
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Postby Crookfur » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:09 am

The habit of russian gatlings to explode isn't really down to thier gas powered operation its more to do with how russian aircraft guns are always much lighter and better perfroming: They are built to what would in the west be consdiered shockingly bad levels of material strength, their barrels are thing and everythign is made as light as possible. This isn't due to any generic russian desire for crapness but different design philosopies. The russians consider each gun to be a fully consumable unit with a service life in the low thousands of rounds comapred to the high tens to hundreds of thousands of rounds expected from western guns. It does have pay offs in terms of weight and perfromance but it does coem at a rpcie in the odd gun explosion.

Probably the biggest down side of the russian gas op rotaries is the issue with jams and rounds that fail to fire. With an externally powered gun the action barely misses a beat as the unfired round is extracted where as on a gas op your gun coems to a crashign halt and you need to use one of your five special assited ignition catridges to peirce the side of the round and ignite the the round.
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Postby Templeton and Unwin » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:10 am

The standardized long arm of Templeton's army is a decentralized matter - most are armed with their own weapons, or whatever weapons they've acquired. However, the most common long arm in Templeton's army, which has laid waste to several Spanish soldiers already, is the M93 Mauser rifle.
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Postby Rusikstan » Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:43 pm

United States of PA wrote:105mm Door Mounted Recoilless Rifle.


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trololo

Probably the biggest down side of the russian gas op rotaries is the issue with jams and rounds that fail to fire. With an externally powered gun the action barely misses a beat as the unfired round is extracted where as on a gas op your gun coems to a crashign halt and you need to use one of your five special assited ignition catridges to peirce the side of the round and ignite the the round.


Now that is a fun piece of info. How does that work? Like a back-up little piercing pin thing or what?
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Postby Indeos » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:02 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Indeos wrote:Thought about using multibarrel full-auto shotguns as door guns on a chopper earlier. Wall of lead gogogogo.


How close are you expecting opfors to be when you open up with that thing?


Really close. This would be for the semi-suicide missions into zones with already heavy combat, so they'd basically be coming down in the middle of a firefight.
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Postby Brachyuria » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:05 pm

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BAR87 Assault Rifle

Type: Assault Rifle
Place of origin: Brachyuria
Designer: Percy Luddite Kitchener
Designed: 1985
Manufacturer: Steel Carapace Manufacturers Incorporated
Produced: 1987-present

further information in the linked nswiki article

I would not mind some helpful opinions/scathing criticisms for the above.
Note that while I did roughly style it after the way PimpMyGun is all drawn, and spend a bit of time early on looking rather intensely at some PMG parts for reference, this was actually drawn in MSpaint. Not an important fact, but one that I was rather happy with myself over, and so felt that I should burden you with the knowledge.

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New Korongo
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Postby New Korongo » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:06 pm

The gatling gun was designed for overkill

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Postby Indeos » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:09 pm

Brachyuria wrote:(Image)
BAR87 Assault Rifle

Type: Assault Rifle
Place of origin: Brachyuria
Designer: Percy Luddite Kitchener
Designed: 1985
Manufacturer: Steel Carapace Manufacturers Incorporated
Produced: 1987-present

further information in the linked nswiki article

I would not mind some helpful opinions/scathing criticisms for the above.
Note that while I did roughly style it after the way PimpMyGun is all drawn, and spend a bit of time early on looking rather intensely at some PMG parts for reference, this was actually drawn in MSpaint. Not an important fact, but one that I was rather happy with myself over, and so felt that I should burden you with the knowledge.


The stock looks uncomfortable.
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Postby Brachyuria » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:20 pm

Indeos wrote:
Brachyuria wrote:Mah gun


The stock looks uncomfortable.


If the stock is the only problem with it, I think I can live with that.
Might add some information regarding stock uncomfortable-ness into the wiki page though.
Thanks for taking the time from talking about Russians or whatever it is everyone is talking about here instead of firearms for fictional nations.

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Postby Indeos » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:23 pm

Brachyuria wrote:
Indeos wrote:
The stock looks uncomfortable.


If the stock is the only problem with it, I think I can live with that.
Might add some information regarding stock uncomfortable-ness into the wiki page though.
Thanks for taking the time from talking about Russians or whatever it is everyone is talking about here instead of firearms for fictional nations.


Well, the magazine looks like it could be longer. And I haven't read the write-up.
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Postby Kel-Elysia » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:59 pm

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The 7.62x51mm M88A2, a variation on the M16A3. It has a 20 round clip and can be outfitted with many accessories, including the M909 Grenade Launcher
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:03 pm

Kel-Elysia wrote:(Image)
The 7.62x51mm M88A2, a variation on the M16A3. It has a 20 round clip and can be outfitted with many accessories, including the M909 Grenade Launcher

If you're going for a 7.62 NATO AR platform, you might like the AR-10.
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Postby Castleclose » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:04 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Kel-Elysia wrote:(Image)
The 7.62x51mm M88A2, a variation on the M16A3. It has a 20 round clip and can be outfitted with many accessories, including the M909 Grenade Launcher

If you're going for a 7.62 NATO AR platform, you might like the AR-10.
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Oh the picture just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. :p
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:07 pm

Castleclose wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:If you're going for a 7.62 NATO AR platform, you might like the AR-10.
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Oh the picture just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. :p

Indeed. It's almost as good looking as the FAL.
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Postby Castleclose » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:08 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Castleclose wrote:
Oh the picture just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. :p

Indeed. It's almost as good looking as the FAL.


Yup. Almost being the important word though.
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Postby Kel-Elysia » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:10 pm

Bet you anything that the FAL's sturdier than the M16 or any of its variations. I haven't fired an FAL before but I have fired an M16 while in basic.
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Postby New Korongo » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:19 pm

Altamirus wrote:
Kel-Elysia wrote:Bet you anything that the FAL's sturdier than the M16 or any of its variations. I haven't fired an FAL before but I have fired an M16 while in basic.

I would bet that the AR-10 is sturdier than the FAL. Also if you want a 5.56 gun with bit looser tolerances try this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armalite_AR-18


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Postby Kel-Elysia » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:23 pm

Altamirus wrote:
Kel-Elysia wrote:(Image)
The 7.62x51mm M88A2, a variation on the M16A3. It has a 20 round clip and can be outfitted with many accessories, including the M909 Grenade Launcher

So basically a modernized version of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10

Yes, pretty much, although the M16A3 was used as the base. In any case, it's modified to be as sturdy as an AK, just to clear that up.
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:28 pm

Kel-Elysia wrote:
Altamirus wrote:So basically a modernized version of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10

Yes, pretty much, although the M16A3 was used as the base. In any case, it's modified to be as sturdy as an AK, just to clear that up.

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If you want something as sturdy as an AK, and as accurate as an AR-10, you might want the AR-16.
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Postby Crookfur » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:44 pm

Rusikstan wrote:
United States of PA wrote:105mm Door Mounted Recoilless Rifle.


105mm pelvic mounted recoilless rifle.....oh wait already got one

trololo

Probably the biggest down side of the russian gas op rotaries is the issue with jams and rounds that fail to fire. With an externally powered gun the action barely misses a beat as the unfired round is extracted where as on a gas op your gun coems to a crashign halt and you need to use one of your five special assited ignition catridges to peirce the side of the round and ignite the the round.


Now that is a fun piece of info. How does that work? Like a back-up little piercing pin thing or what?


IIRC its small explosive charge that fires through a small vent hole in the side of the chamber and blasts a hole in the cartridge case and hopefully sets off the propellant. Its a system not entirely removed from the pyrotechnic system used to eject jamed cartridges from some of the oerlikon guns. A system about which I have even less info.
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