Main Military Weapon of Your Country (Mk. II)

[Jordtopia]

Indeed, the main rifle the Germans used during the Franco-Prussian War was the Dreyse Needle Gun, the world's first breech-loading bolt-action rifle ever put into service in large numbers and adopted by a national military.

Compare this to the Civil War, where both sides employed large numbers of both old (flintlock) and new (percussion cap) muzzle-loading muskets/rifle-muskets, with breech-loaders being employed in smaller numbers, mostly with the cavalry.

Yeah I was about to bring that up; that's what helped them beat the Austrians, no?

Indeed, because the Austrians still employed old muzzle-loading rifles.

Leave it to the Germans to change the face of warfare, eh?

[Oterro]

Indeed, the main rifle the Germans used during the Franco-Prussian War was the Dreyse Needle Gun, the world's first breech-loading bolt-action rifle ever put into service in large numbers and adopted by a national military.

Compare this to the Civil War, where both sides employed large numbers of both old (flintlock) and new (percussion cap) muzzle-loading muskets/rifle-muskets, with breech-loaders being employed in smaller numbers, mostly with the cavalry.

Also the first Gatling guns, Repeater Rifles, and Sharp shooters were deployed during the Civil War.

Sharpe shooters?

I really hope you don't mean light infantry.

[Oterro]

The front ranks act as a human shield for the rear ranks, and the rear ranks constant forward momentum prevents retreat in cowardly conscripts (which was a necessity in Napoleonic armies, being Frenchmen or huns, something the Americans could have utilised as well to good effect)

Of course artillery superiority is recommended before forming columns. Or if you have decent troops, just form the usual line and advance at an ordered pace.

I think you've convinced me. It sounds like the funnest, and most effective way of fighting in RP's. The hardest part now will be convincing my RP partner, stubborn mule that he is.

[Senestrum]

bolded the part you missed btw

.50 BMG is way beyond what is worth armoring infantrymen against

roantank, on the other hand, will take just about anything short of 20mm autocannon fire to the sight housings, trololo

It's like you're speaking another language. Christ, this is one of the reasons I avoided MT.

Oh? Do you have some sort of issue with what is obviously IRC-influenced* typing?

*ie, grammatically correct except for capitalization and the period at the end of each sentence, just like this one

[Jordtopia]

Indeed, because the Austrians still employed old muzzle-loading rifles.

Leave it to the Germans to change the face of warfare, eh?

You mean Prussian.

Germans were a bit @#!*% at fighting, always have been, until the Prussians ran things.

True, true.

Though the Germans of World War Two DID change the fate of war with the use of jets, rockets, submarines that could stay underwater for long periods of time, etc.

[Oterro]

It's like you're speaking another language. Christ, this is one of the reasons I avoided MT.

Oh? Do you have some sort of issue with what is obviously IRC-influenced* typing?

*ie, grammatically correct except for capitalization and the period at the end of each sentence, just like this one

No no, your English seems pretty much perfect. It's all the...gun stuff. I can't get my head around it, the thread is funny though, especially when someone posts a "bad gun".

[Tuskenjaar]

The Nation of Tuskenjaar, being in the antarctic, has a very strong and honorably historic military force (Note sarcasm in Italics)

The main weapon of choice and military tactic in tuskenjaar is to duct-tape homemade black powder kegs to the back of a wild penguin, throw fish or krill at the enemy, and watch the result.
However, in the case of supreme military threat, Human Troops are armed with a Type 38 Arisaka Bolt action rifle, a bottle of vodka which they can build a Molotov with (Or just surrender and get drunk with), and tons of ammo pouches and fur clothes.
The few, educated, highly trained, professional and stealthy (Sarcasm in Italics) Tuskenjaar special forces are armed with a harpoon gun, Nambu pistol, Type 99 Arisaka Bolt action rifle, and 4 Vodka bottles (For the same purpose as Troops), and custom tailored penguin fur camouflage clothes.
Tuskenjaar was forced to recently sign a pact which banned nuclear warheads within the nation, so instead Tuskenjaar's defensive warheads are filled with not radioactive uranium, but sand. (PATRIOTIC SAND, mind you, that was in fact made in china, like 99% of all the other stuff in the world). We hope our military can be used to expand borders soon.

[-Antarctica-]

-snip-

you strap powder kegs to our people?
you will have to be destroyed

[Tuskenjaar]

-snip-

you strap powder kegs to our people?
you will have to be destroyed

Oh come on, it's not like we force the penguins to die for our lavish tuskenjaarian sports bars, we offer them ten Gromniks a month. now you might be saying "Honorable Tuskenjaar Leader, that's less than an american penny!". I beg your pardon! It's much less than a penny!

[Charvah]

oh god my neck is breaking from the weight D: D: D:

This much will stop .50 BMG.

Wanna bet on how thin it would be if it was only supposed to defend against 5.56 and below?

Edit: wait forgot trollface

"But how will it respond in a combat environment. 130+ degree heat., sand storms, sudden jolts and shocks. I mean it's great on the test range but it needs to be combat tested. Equipment may work well in testing but it has to survive in actual use. Thats why so many seemingly great ideas don't get accepted by the military. Dragon Skin comes to mind. If they could improve the combat durability of that I'm sure the military would buy it. Heck the Army spends millions on Camo for God's sake."

This guy took the words right outta my mouth.

[Zaroma]

Steyr AUG family

[Rusikstan]

roantank, on the other hand, will take just about anything short of 20mm autocannon fire to the sight housings, trololo

Tver has 20mm coax...now to one up roantank...Halberd with take roantank fired uber-LRP-round to sight housing at 150m! D:<

[Senestrum]

This much will stop .50 BMG.

Wanna bet on how thin it would be if it was only supposed to defend against 5.56 and below?

Edit: wait forgot trollface

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"But how will it respond in a combat environment. 130+ degree heat., sand storms, sudden jolts and shocks. I mean it's great on the test range but it needs to be combat tested. Equipment may work well in testing but it has to survive in actual use. Thats why so many seemingly great ideas don't get accepted by the military. Dragon Skin comes to mind. If they could improve the combat durability of that I'm sure the military would buy it. Heck the Army spends millions on Camo for God's sake."

This guy took the words right outta my mouth.

It's a solid chunk of ceramic, which has loads in common with the SAPI plates in bulletproof vests, except for the rather interesting fact that it's transparent.

Dragon Skin's problems have absolutely nothing to do with the material properties of the hard plates used.

[Indeos]

Thought about using multibarrel full-auto shotguns as door guns on a chopper earlier. Wall of lead gogogogo.

[Interstellar America]

The Nation of Tuskenjaar, being in the antarctic, has a very strong and honorably historic military force (Note sarcasm in Italics)

The main weapon of choice and military tactic in tuskenjaar is to duct-tape homemade black powder kegs to the back of a wild penguin, throw fish or krill at the enemy, and watch the result.
However, in the case of supreme military threat, Human Troops are armed with a Type 38 Arisaka Bolt action rifle, a bottle of vodka which they can build a Molotov with (Or just surrender and get drunk with), and tons of ammo pouches and fur clothes.
The few, educated, highly trained, professional and stealthy (Sarcasm in Italics) Tuskenjaar special forces are armed with a harpoon gun, Nambu pistol, Type 99 Arisaka Bolt action rifle, and 4 Vodka bottles (For the same purpose as Troops), and custom tailored penguin fur camouflage clothes.
Tuskenjaar was forced to recently sign a pact which banned nuclear warheads within the nation, so instead Tuskenjaar's defensive warheads are filled with not radioactive uranium, but sand. (PATRIOTIC SAND, mind you, that was in fact made in china, like 99% of all the other stuff in the world). We hope our military can be used to expand borders soon.

Your sand is awesome-er.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Thought about using multibarrel full-auto shotguns as door guns on a chopper earlier. Wall of lead gogogogo.

How close are you expecting opfors to be when you open up with that thing?

[New Korongo]

Thought about using multibarrel full-auto shotguns as door guns on a chopper earlier. Wall of lead gogogogo.

How close are you expecting opfors to be when you open up with that thing?

With so much buckshot going all over the place there is probably a high chance of hiting the enemy

[Tsarist China]

How close are you expecting opfors to be when you open up with that thing?

With so much buckshot going all over the place there is probably a high chance of hiting the enemy

Probably lower than with a regular gatling gun.

Which is really fucking low, actually.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

How close are you expecting opfors to be when you open up with that thing?

With so much buckshot going all over the place there is probably a high chance of hiting the enemy

Yes, but not with much effective energy if they're past 35-50m or so. Not to mention, unless it's a specialized smoothbore device, you'll just get a very heavily filled donut.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Yes, but not with much effective energy if they're past 35-50m or so. Not to mention, unless it's a specialized smoothbore device, you'll just get a very heavily filled donut.

Large Multibarrel airburst Grenade launcher?

Basically a gatling version of a 40mm automatic grenade launcher, armed with those shotgun rounds?

[United States of PA]

105mm Door Mounted Recoilless Rifle.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Basically a gatling version of a 40mm automatic grenade launcher, armed with those shotgun rounds?

Ya, just think the increase ROF, lower overheating, increased range over the original idea because your firing a solid projectile instead off something that starts to spread after exiting the barrel. I bety it would be heavy and the range finder would be a bit better to deal with the increased ROF. I wonder though, should the Gatling the auto HEAB gun be gas driven or electronic?

Gas driven is pretty badass, like a few Russian gatling designs.

[Tsarist China]

Ya, just think the increase ROF, lower overheating, increased range over the original idea because your firing a solid projectile instead off something that starts to spread after exiting the barrel. I bety it would be heavy and the range finder would be a bit better to deal with the increased ROF. I wonder though, should the Gatling the auto HEAB gun be gas driven or electronic?

Gas driven is pretty badass, like a few Russian gatling designs.

Yes, those gas driven gatlings also have a bad habit of exploding chambers iirc.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Gas driven is pretty badass, like a few Russian gatling designs.

Yes, those gas driven gatlings also have a bad habit of exploding chambers iirc.

Considering they've been building gas-driven gatling guns and auto-revolver cannons since the 1930s, it can't be too serious of issue.

[Tsarist China]

Yes, those gas driven gatlings also have a bad habit of exploding chambers iirc.

Seriously?

Seriously

Serious enough that all Russian AF planes apparently fly without ammunition in their guns. IDK if the USAF does the same, but flying with ammo in your guns when you're not on a combat mission is kinda silly.