Main Military Weapon of Your Country (Mk. II)

[Ramsetia]

Insanity. <_>

Insanity? *looks to the side. A disco dice nods* This. Is. An overused joke that I won't be finishing.

Yeah, I'm happy with my blowback shifted pulse for battling armour. I'm sure my pretend infantry will think me when they can still use their shooting shoulders after their career with the military is up.

[Amerikians]

Madness?

This
Is
NATIONSTATES!!!!!!!!!!!


Remember, this is the game where the tanks have a larger coaxial weapon then most IFVs.

Sigged. :|

[Apache Kid]

Winchester Rifle

Weight: 9.5lb (4.3kg)
Length: 49.3in (125.2cm)
Barrel length: 30in (76.2cm)
Caliber: .44-40 Winchester, .38-40 Winchester, .32-20 Winchester, .22 rimfire
Action: Lever-action
Feed system: 15 round tube magazine
Sights: Graduated rear sights, Fixed-post front sights

And bows and arrows, spears the usual Native American weapons.

[Rusynija]

If you just drew your own rifles you wouldn't have an problems with PMG.

No one except Grasmere is having trouble with PMG, and he might just be stupid.

HAHA!

ASE's crit: brutal but brilliant.

[Rusynija]

._. Okay okay, I'm sorry.

Someone on the Internet, humbly and respectfully apologising?

[/life as we know it]

[Mikedor]

Battle Rifle working on. Need help on stats

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Sights don't line up, and it's not the most attractive weapon.

@The Corporation: Don't worry about looks, Function> form. Line up your sights. The rifle looks really heavy though.

But form and function is best.

[Licana]

Battle Rifle working on. Need help on stats

Sights don't line up, and it's not the most attractive weapon.

@The Corporation: Don't worry about looks, Function> form. Line up your sights. The rifle looks really heavy though.

But form and function is best.

^Yeah but if you had to put emphasis on something I would go with function but odviously both is better than one or the other. I suck at making things look pretty.

The thing does look a tad bulky and and cumbersome, and anyone ever hear of the saying "Form follows function"? My only real problem with the gun is I would never make a bullpup battle rifle, but that really isn't based on anything performance wise.

[Rusynija]

i asked a similar question before but is there any point in giving my troops (even if it's just the officers) a pistol? Or should i just go with extra ammo?

Please do not be one of the fools who issues extra magazines instead of a sidearm. Issue a sidearm there is a very good point behind it despite what the ironmongers here say.

No there isn't, give me one good reason to waste money and space giving soldiers a sidearm.

Space? No-one keeps a magazine where a pistol holster goes. Unless you're that guy who thinks and M1A1 Thompson is heavy, then you'd rather have the pistol there than not. If it's a 57 or a G17, you have 17/20 rounds in one magazine, which is much better than praying when your gun jams / gets hit by shrapnel or bullets / etc.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

i asked a similar question before but is there any point in giving my troops (even if it's just the officers) a pistol? Or should i just go with extra ammo?

Please do not be one of the fools who issues extra magazines instead of a sidearm. Issue a sidearm there is a very good point behind it despite what the ironmongers here say.

No there isn't, give me one good reason to waste money and space giving soldiers a sidearm.

Space? No-one keeps a magazine where a pistol holster goes. Unless you're that guy who thinks and M1A1 Thompson is heavy, then you'd rather have the pistol there than not. If it's a 57 or a G17, you have 17/20 rounds in one magazine, which is much better than praying when your gun jams / gets hit by shrapnel or bullets / etc.

Giving every soldier a pistol screws with logistics (need to supply each soldier with 2 types of ammo), it lowers your ability to carry ammo (you could easily carry a STANAG magazine on your waist where a pistol would go), and if you are using a pistol against soldiers with full sized rifles you are pretty much dead. If your gun jams, than your squad can cover you while you deal with it, or you can grab a weapon from a dead comrade. In a test the M4 suffered 882 stoppages while firing 6,000 rounds, of those stoppages, 863 took 10 seconds or less to clear, if your gun jams you generally can clear it rather quickly, and regular soldiers generally have lots of supporting soldiers and vehicles, so they have time to clear it, SF on the other hand do not, and may not.

[St George of England]

i asked a similar question before but is there any point in giving my troops (even if it's just the officers) a pistol? Or should i just go with extra ammo?

Please do not be one of the fools who issues extra magazines instead of a sidearm. Issue a sidearm there is a very good point behind it despite what the ironmongers here say.

No there isn't, give me one good reason to waste money and space giving soldiers a sidearm.

Space? No-one keeps a magazine where a pistol holster goes. Unless you're that guy who thinks and M1A1 Thompson is heavy, then you'd rather have the pistol there than not. If it's a 57 or a G17, you have 17/20 rounds in one magazine, which is much better than praying when your gun jams / gets hit by shrapnel or bullets / etc.

Giving every soldier a pistol screws with logistics (need to supply each soldier with 2 types of ammo), it lowers your ability to carry ammo (you could easily carry a STANAG magazine on your waist where a pistol would go), and if you are using a pistol against soldiers with full sized rifles you are pretty much dead. If your gun jams, than your squad can cover you while you deal with it, or you can grab a weapon from a dead comrade. In a test the M4 suffered 882 stoppages while firing 6,000 rounds, of those stoppages, 863 took 10 seconds or less to clear, if your gun jams you generally can clear it rather quickly, and regular soldiers generally have lots of supporting soldiers and vehicles, so they have time to clear it, SF on the other hand do not, and may not.

is it not possible to create a pistol that fires rifle ammo?

[North Mack]

Issuing soldiers pistols is a carryover from previous times. In the past, a revolver or semi-auto handgun could often fire faster then a traditional soldiers primary weapon, and had a larger clip. It was used when one was caught without ammo in their gun (whether because they are reloading, or out of ammo, or whatever). Modern firearms make pistols largely obsolete for the conventional soldier, as carrying extra ammunition for their primary rifle serves the same purpose, especially for smaller rifles like the M4 which can be maneuvered relatively easily within buildings. This doesn't mean "pistols should never be issued to the military, ever".

For special forces it's useful for the frequent close quarters where one won't need to be firing past 50m, for it's light weight and maneuverability, although one can often use a submachine gun or machine pistol for the same purpose.

For officers it's often a sign of rank or prestige rather then of utility, the natural progression of issuing officers swords to wield in combat.

tl;dr, it's probably better to just issue more ammo for a conventional soldiers primary weapon, than to issue a sidearm. Special Forces should probably be issued a pistol or machine pistol, and officers, well, that's up to a matter of personal preference.

is it not possible to create a pistol that fires rifle ammo?

No, that would be called (get this) a rifle, or at best, a carbine. Rifle ammo works differently then pistol ammo, having to do with shape of the round, ballistics, the fact that rifle rounds simply have more power behind them, and rifles have more weight and leverage to combat recoil so that you don't break your wrists.

[Techno-Kat]

Giving every soldier a pistol screws with logistics (need to supply each soldier with 2 types of ammo), it lowers your ability to carry ammo (you could easily carry a STANAG magazine on your waist where a pistol would go), and if you are using a pistol against soldiers with full sized rifles you are pretty much dead. If your gun jams, than your squad can cover you while you deal with it, or you can grab a weapon from a dead comrade. In a test the M4 suffered 882 stoppages while firing 6,000 rounds, of those stoppages, 863 took 10 seconds or less to clear, if your gun jams you generally can clear it rather quickly, and regular soldiers generally have lots of supporting soldiers and vehicles, so they have time to clear it, SF on the other hand do not, and may not.

That's pathetic.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

i asked a similar question before but is there any point in giving my troops (even if it's just the officers) a pistol? Or should i just go with extra ammo?

Please do not be one of the fools who issues extra magazines instead of a sidearm. Issue a sidearm there is a very good point behind it despite what the ironmongers here say.

No there isn't, give me one good reason to waste money and space giving soldiers a sidearm.

Space? No-one keeps a magazine where a pistol holster goes. Unless you're that guy who thinks and M1A1 Thompson is heavy, then you'd rather have the pistol there than not. If it's a 57 or a G17, you have 17/20 rounds in one magazine, which is much better than praying when your gun jams / gets hit by shrapnel or bullets / etc.

Giving every soldier a pistol screws with logistics (need to supply each soldier with 2 types of ammo), it lowers your ability to carry ammo (you could easily carry a STANAG magazine on your waist where a pistol would go), and if you are using a pistol against soldiers with full sized rifles you are pretty much dead. If your gun jams, than your squad can cover you while you deal with it, or you can grab a weapon from a dead comrade. In a test the M4 suffered 882 stoppages while firing 6,000 rounds, of those stoppages, 863 took 10 seconds or less to clear, if your gun jams you generally can clear it rather quickly, and regular soldiers generally have lots of supporting soldiers and vehicles, so they have time to clear it, SF on the other hand do not, and may not.

is it not possible to create a pistol that fires rifle ammo?

Unless your main weapon is a PDW or an SMG, not really, and they both have rather big flaws that prevent them from being good main weapons.

[North Mack]

Unless your main weapon is a PDW or an SMG, not really, and they both have rather big flaws that prevent them from being good main weapons.

Note: SMG's fire pistol rounds. PDW's are SMG's that fire rifle rounds.

[Mikedor]

i asked a similar question before but is there any point in giving my troops (even if it's just the officers) a pistol? Or should i just go with extra ammo?

Please do not be one of the fools who issues extra magazines instead of a sidearm. Issue a sidearm there is a very good point behind it despite what the ironmongers here say.

No there isn't, give me one good reason to waste money and space giving soldiers a sidearm.

Space? No-one keeps a magazine where a pistol holster goes. Unless you're that guy who thinks and M1A1 Thompson is heavy, then you'd rather have the pistol there than not. If it's a 57 or a G17, you have 17/20 rounds in one magazine, which is much better than praying when your gun jams / gets hit by shrapnel or bullets / etc.

I said it felt heavy compared to a Lee-Enfield and unwieldy next to a Bren ffs. Now everyone thinks I'm weak

[Ramsetia]

If you really, desperately want to issue pistols, go for it. It's ultimately your army, after all. In the long run, it's probably better to have them, but never need them, than to need them (for some hypothetical reason best not gone into to avert quote pyramids and arguments) and not have them

[Korribian]

The main weapon of Korribian is the Nuclear bomb, due to the large amounts of uranium.
That and the XM8

ffs you're not the first one, and unless you're some mad FTer you don't pop nukes at the first chance you get

not even munchie does this

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Unless your main weapon is a PDW or an SMG, not really, and they both have rather big flaws that prevent them from being good main weapons.

Note: SMG's fire pistol rounds. PDW's are SMG's that fire rifle rounds.

A PDW round is not quite a rifle round, and there is at least one pistol (probably more) that fire PDW rounds.

[Rusynija]

i asked a similar question before but is there any point in giving my troops (even if it's just the officers) a pistol? Or should i just go with extra ammo?

Please do not be one of the fools who issues extra magazines instead of a sidearm. Issue a sidearm there is a very good point behind it despite what the ironmongers here say.

No there isn't, give me one good reason to waste money and space giving soldiers a sidearm.

Space? No-one keeps a magazine where a pistol holster goes. Unless you're that guy who thinks and M1A1 Thompson is heavy, then you'd rather have the pistol there than not. If it's a 57 or a G17, you have 17/20 rounds in one magazine, which is much better than praying when your gun jams / gets hit by shrapnel or bullets / etc.

Giving every soldier a pistol screws with logistics (need to supply each soldier with 2 types of ammo), it lowers your ability to carry ammo (you could easily carry a STANAG magazine on your waist where a pistol would go), and if you are using a pistol against soldiers with full sized rifles you are pretty much dead. If your gun jams, than your squad can cover you while you deal with it, or you can grab a weapon from a dead comrade. In a test the M4 suffered 882 stoppages while firing 6,000 rounds, of those stoppages, 863 took 10 seconds or less to clear, if your gun jams you generally can clear it rather quickly, and regular soldiers generally have lots of supporting soldiers and vehicles, so they have time to clear it, SF on the other hand do not, and may not.

is it not possible to create a pistol that fires rifle ammo?

"HOLY SH*T, MY F*CKING WRIST!!!"

Good idea, but I don't agree with ASE anyway. Give a soldier a 9 mil for life, it's better than nothing and no-one keeps magazines on the belt where a holster would go.

P.S. There are two PDW-round pistols: the FN Five-seveN and the HK UCP.

[Crookfur]

i asked a similar question before but is there any point in giving my troops (even if it's just the officers) a pistol? Or should i just go with extra ammo?

Please do not be one of the fools who issues extra magazines instead of a sidearm. Issue a sidearm there is a very good point behind it despite what the ironmongers here say.

No there isn't, give me one good reason to waste money and space giving soldiers a sidearm.

Space? No-one keeps a magazine where a pistol holster goes. Unless you're that guy who thinks and M1A1 Thompson is heavy, then you'd rather have the pistol there than not. If it's a 57 or a G17, you have 17/20 rounds in one magazine, which is much better than praying when your gun jams / gets hit by shrapnel or bullets / etc.

Giving every soldier a pistol screws with logistics (need to supply each soldier with 2 types of ammo), it lowers your ability to carry ammo (you could easily carry a STANAG magazine on your waist where a pistol would go), and if you are using a pistol against soldiers with full sized rifles you are pretty much dead. If your gun jams, than your squad can cover you while you deal with it, or you can grab a weapon from a dead comrade. In a test the M4 suffered 882 stoppages while firing 6,000 rounds, of those stoppages, 863 took 10 seconds or less to clear, if your gun jams you generally can clear it rather quickly, and regular soldiers generally have lots of supporting soldiers and vehicles, so they have time to clear it, SF on the other hand do not, and may not.

is it not possible to create a pistol that fires rifle ammo?

Oh its possible, just not practical and the pistol you end up with isn't really going to be a terribly useful weapon.

As I Said you would be aswell to just have a standardised pistol and let troops choose to use it if they want it. Alternatively you can let your troops buy thier own pistol, perhaps only stipulating that they use a particular round.

North Mack : The distinction is now here near that clear cut, most true PDWs actually use what are in essence necked down pistol cartridges.

[Satirius]

The main weapon of Korribian is the Nuclear bomb, due to the large amounts of uranium.
That and the XM8

ffs you're not the first one, and unless you're some mad FTer you don't pop nukes at the first chance you get

not even munchie does this

also MAD

[Rusynija]

i asked a similar question before but is there any point in giving my troops (even if it's just the officers) a pistol? Or should i just go with extra ammo?

Please do not be one of the fools who issues extra magazines instead of a sidearm. Issue a sidearm there is a very good point behind it despite what the ironmongers here say.

No there isn't, give me one good reason to waste money and space giving soldiers a sidearm.

Space? No-one keeps a magazine where a pistol holster goes. Unless you're that guy who thinks and M1A1 Thompson is heavy, then you'd rather have the pistol there than not. If it's a 57 or a G17, you have 17/20 rounds in one magazine, which is much better than praying when your gun jams / gets hit by shrapnel or bullets / etc.

I said it felt heavy compared to a Lee-Enfield and unwieldy next to a Bren ffs. Now everyone thinks I'm weak

Sure the Too-Weak-for-a-Tommy-Gun Guy is going to become a legend of NSD Lite who eventually is going to need his own Godwin's Law after all the arguments he has fought, but I think if you keep your voice down and no-one will remember it was you

[North Mack]

North Mack : The distinction is now here near that clear cut, most true PDWs actually use what are in essence necked down pistol cartridges.

I was always under the impression that PDW's fired rifle rounds... hm. I appear to have been mistaken.

[Ramsetia]

i asked a similar question before but is there any point in giving my troops (even if it's just the officers) a pistol? Or should i just go with extra ammo?

Please do not be one of the fools who issues extra magazines instead of a sidearm. Issue a sidearm there is a very good point behind it despite what the ironmongers here say.

No there isn't, give me one good reason to waste money and space giving soldiers a sidearm.

Space? No-one keeps a magazine where a pistol holster goes. Unless you're that guy who thinks and M1A1 Thompson is heavy, then you'd rather have the pistol there than not. If it's a 57 or a G17, you have 17/20 rounds in one magazine, which is much better than praying when your gun jams / gets hit by shrapnel or bullets / etc.

I said it felt heavy compared to a Lee-Enfield and unwieldy next to a Bren ffs. Now everyone thinks I'm weak

Sure the Too-Weak-for-a-Tommy-Gun Guy is going to become a legend of NSD Lite who eventually is going to need his own Godwin's Law after all the arguments he has fought, but I think if you keep your voice down and no-one will remember it was you

Screenshots and photobucket say otherwise. But I digress...

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

North Mack : The distinction is now here near that clear cut, most true PDWs actually use what are in essence necked down pistol cartridges.

I was always under the impression that PDW's fired rifle rounds... hm. I appear to have been mistaken.

They have a similar concept to rifle rounds, spitzer heads and high velocities, but they are not full fledged rifle rounds.