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Cathalysto
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Founded: Dec 10, 2010
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Postby Cathalysto » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:25 am

Full Nation Name: The Total Neocentrist Empire of Cathalysto
Name: Cathalysto

Stance On:
Republicanism: Not bad, but too fragile.. easy to destroy.
Anarchy: Good ideology, bad application.
Totalitarianism: So bad. People will get angry easily, you need a cross between a free and a dictatorial system.
Capitalism: Best system by now. It has to be controlled carefully, it's fragile. Anyways the neoliberalism sucks a lot.
Communism: The basic idea it's good but the application is a piece of shit. It's so unreal.. the only good thing is that promotes the atheism.
Socialism: Not bad. A combination of a capitalist and a socialist societies will be perfect.
Fascism: The extremes touch themselves. Bad, bad, bad... and also promotes the religion!! :palm:
Monarchy: Piece of shit.
Abortion: Good and bad. The controlled and careful abortion of a 1-3 months fetus is accepted, but the massive abortion and the brutish operations (like the abortion of a 6-7 months fetus) is not tolerate.
Alcohol: Same as abortion. Controlled and careful drink is not bad, a night of drinking is not bad. But drink and after: drive, is penalized with some jail months.
Drugs: Must be destroyed.. ALL!
Homosexuality: I don't consider it a problem. It's just another fact in the human (and animal) beings (gay/lesbian people are normal people).
Death Penalty: It's sad to say, but there are some people that are IMPOSSIBLE to rehabilitate. People who have killed about dozens of citizens and are the darkest terrorists in the society and they don't appreciate the life. Only that type of criminals must be killed!
Militaries: When a m*therfucker comes to invade your nation, that incredible men sacrifice their life for any meter of any cities. OF COURSE, are necessary.
Gun Control: ANY person that haven't served the military for about 5 years CAN'T have guns (except the police). Have one illegal gun is penalized with one jail year.
Religion: One of the WORST things of the humanity, it has stopped the human technology and advance for hundreds of years. Must be purged, destroyed, burned and buried. The religion is a cancer.
Slavery: Have to be abolished.
Expansionism: Only if you have too many citizens (about millions) in a small area and you need more territories.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: I'll give my opinion when I have more information.
Racial Superiority: Have to be penalized. The racism is another cancer o the humanity.
The Environment: VERY IMPORTANT! We owe everything to nature :bow: Pollute is completely illegal.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights, Universal Human Rights, What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms & Universal Individual Freedom: The empire have got a particularly concept of them. You have to give some freedom to your citizens but not an excessive freedom so then citizens will take advantage about it and probably rebel. Inside the freedom that you give them, they can do whatever they want about their lives (except be religious and confront violently to the government and the emperor). It isn't a dictatorship, so people can be gay/lesbian without any problem, they can travel where they want of the planet without any permission and do more things with total freedom.
SCIENCE!: As the environment, is very important and it's the cause of the humanity advance :bow:
Education: Important, so children have to grow up with good moral ideas, with respect to the neighbor and without any god existing idea. Religious schools are completely illegal.
Industry: Good , productive and clean ;) Pollute and slavery are banned with some jail years.
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The Steel Fraternity
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Posts: 515
Founded: Jul 24, 2010
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:59 am

Songnam wrote:Full Nation Name: The Greater Democratic Union of Songnam
Name: Songnam
*FormSnip*


A mostly decent-seeming nation, aside from troubling sympathies for Communism. Otherwise they appear decently democratic and Capitalist. However, the fact that their government apparently reserves the right to outlaw any religions they don't like leaves us rather leery towards the idea of opening relations with them.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

OOC: Did you seriously just call the United States Republican Party "ultraconservative"? Dude, I want some of what you're smoking.

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The Steel Fraternity
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Posts: 515
Founded: Jul 24, 2010
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:03 pm

Dagnia wrote:Full Nation Name: The Technocratic Planet of Dagnia
Name: Dagnia
*FormSnip*


For the most part, Dagnia seems like a reasonable nation, given their democracy, Capitalism, and individual freedoms. However, their attitudes about religion are extremely offensive to most Skorzenians, and their attitudes about education are absolutely enraging to every member of the Fraternity, given how much we value education.

So, ignorant and Godless, but otherwise all right.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

OOC: It helps if I actually type my analysis, instead of just quoting your post, snipping the form, and hitting "Submit." :palm:
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The Steel Fraternity
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Posts: 515
Founded: Jul 24, 2010
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:12 pm

Atheimsa wrote:Full Nation Name:The disputed Territories of Atheimsa
Name:Atheimsa
Stance On:
Republicanism:ok
Anarchy:not okay
Totalitarianism:not okay at all
Capitalism:in moderation
Communism:nah
Socialism:in moderation
Fascism:never
Monarchy:meh depends what kind of constituional okay absolute not
Abortion:free to 12 weeks unless life threatening,
Alcohol:beer and wine 16 , hard spirits 20
Drugs:20y
Homosexuality:no problem
Death Penalty:outlawed
Militaries:navy and army
Gun Control:strict (only allowed to keep guns and similar in sport clubs and professional hunting)
Religion:the fellowship of the light side of the force as well as several spirtual religions in the rural villages
Slavery:outlawed
Expansionism:meh we don't take any that is already belonging to anybody else
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity:don't like the lack of political freedoms
Racial Superiority: there is no race(last one died out when the neanderthal died)ethinicism is condemned
]The Environment:[/b]more important than business
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights:dunno what they are all called in English but the same + some more as in so called western countries,
Universal Human Rights:same as above
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms:same as above
Universal Individual Freedom:same as above
SCIENCE!:funded
Education:funded
Industry:not too bad either


Tree-hugging hippie heathens, with strong Communist leanings. Probably not an immediate threat, though.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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Wolny Kraj
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Posts: 1205
Founded: Jul 29, 2010
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Wolny Kraj » Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:22 pm

Full Nation Name: The Communist Polish Republic of Wolny Kraj
Name:Wolny Kraj

Stance On:
Republicanism: if it's the American kind, we hate it.
Anarchy: meh. not our cup of tea, but not as bad as some.
Totalitarianism: we won't stand for it.
Capitalism: sickens us
Communism: the way to be!
Socialism: you're getting there, comrade.
Fascism: an abomination
Monarchy: total crap
Abortion: okay in some cases, not in others.
Alcohol: we're Polish. We fricking love it.
Drugs: meh, if you're informed of the risks, you should be allowed to throw your life away.
Homosexuality: in the army, we pretend to be anti-gay but we really don't care. Gays are allowed to adopt and marry.
Death Penalty: depends
Militaries: we like to be well defended, but too much can be oppressive.
Gun Control: strict as can be
Religion: all for it, we're Christian communists.
Slavery: no way.
Expansionism: if it's at the cost of other nations than no, but if not it's fine.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: no idea
Racial Superiority: hellz to the no
The Environment: a high priority.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: I'll do this one later.
Universal Human Rights: necessary
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: I'll do this one later
Universal Individual Freedom: not sure
SCIENCE!: good I guess.
Education: high priority, it fixes all other problems like poverty and racism.
Industry: as long as it's not at the expense of the environment.
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Conservatives states
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Posts: 464
Founded: Feb 26, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Conservatives states » Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:33 pm

Full Nation Name: The Industrial Supernation of Conservatives states
Name: Duke Joshua Lampton

Stance On:
Republicanism: Neutral
Anarchy: For, doesn't really matter on what form. As long as it suits the needs of our people. Most of our people happen to be Libertarian/Anarcho-capitalists.
Totalitarianism: Against
Capitalism: Depends on the definition.
Communism: Depends on the definition.
Socialism: Depends on the definition.
Fascism: Against
Monarchy: For
Abortion: Personal Choice, but certain townships may choose whether it's legal or not.
Alcohol: PARTY HARD! But we do have some religious fundamentalists that outlaw it in their township.
Drugs: Depends on the drug, and or township in question. Federal level has no law against it.
Homosexuality: Personal Choice
Death Penalty: Shooting Squad for the most deadly crimes.
Militaries: Militias, private militaries.
Gun Control: Depends on the township, but on a federal level we have none.
Religion: None, the leader is a profound Atheist.
Slavery: Only to pay off debt, but owners have to follow certain humane guidelines.
Expansionism: Homesteading is major part of our expansion, people choose to be within our boundaries.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Sympathizes
Racial Superiority: Everyone is equal to rise and fall at their own merit.
The Environment: The earth can take care of itself, people will have to choose whether or not they want to pick up after themselves. but it's not mandatory.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights:Do unto others as you wish done unto you.
Universal Human Rights: Everyone is equal
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Unless you are about to slit someones thoat, you are free to do what you want.
Universal Individual Freedom: Everyone is free.
SCIENCE!: Fundamental basis of our society.
Education: Fundamental basis of our society.
Industry: Fundamental basis of our society.
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I'm an anarchist, and be prepared for me to turn everything into a joke, because in all seriousness. We got too many problems to fret over, just chill out and enjoy the ride, laugh when you can, fix what you must. When it comes to debates, I'll state my opinion, but as far as I'm concerned. If you begin to bore me with semantics, fallacies, or otherwise personal attacks, I'm gonna see myself out.
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Economic Left/Right: 6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38

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The Steel Fraternity
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Posts: 515
Founded: Jul 24, 2010
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:36 pm

Cathalysto wrote:Full Nation Name: The Total Neocentrist Empire of Cathalysto
Name: Cathalysto
Stance On:
Republicanism: Not bad, but too fragile.. easy to destroy.
Anarchy: Good ideology, bad application.
Totalitarianism: So bad. People will get angry easily, you need a cross between a free and a dictatorial system.
Capitalism: Best system by now. It has to be controlled carefully, it's fragile. Anyways the neoliberalism sucks a lot.
Communism: The basic idea it's good but the application is a piece of shit. It's so unreal.. the only good thing is that promotes the atheism.
Socialism: Not bad. A combination of a capitalist and a socialist societies will be perfect.
Fascism: The extremes touch themselves. Bad, bad, bad... and also promotes the religion!! :palm:
Monarchy: Piece of shit.
Abortion: Good and bad. The controlled and careful abortion of a 1-3 months fetus is accepted, but the massive abortion and the brutish operations (like the abortion of a 6-7 months fetus) is not tolerate.
Alcohol: Same as abortion. Controlled and careful drink is not bad, a night of drinking is not bad. But drink and after: drive, is penalized with some jail months.
Drugs: Must be destroyed.. ALL!
Homosexuality: I don't consider it a problem. It's just another fact in the human (and animal) beings (gay/lesbian people are normal people).
Death Penalty: It's sad to say, but there are some people that are IMPOSSIBLE to rehabilitate. People who have killed about dozens of citizens and are the darkest terrorists in the society and they don't appreciate the life. Only that type of criminals must be killed!
Militaries: When a m*therfucker comes to invade your nation, that incredible men sacrifice their life for any meter of any cities. OF COURSE, are necessary.
Gun Control: ANY person that haven't served the military for about 5 years CAN'T have guns (except the police). Have one illegal gun is penalized with one jail year.
Religion: One of the WORST things of the humanity, it has stopped the human technology and advance for hundreds of years. Must be purged, destroyed, burned and buried. The religion is a cancer.
Slavery: Have to be abolished.
Expansionism: Only if you have too many citizens (about millions) in a small area and you need more territories.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: I'll give my opinion when I have more information.
Racial Superiority: Have to be penalized. The racism is another cancer o the humanity.
The Environment: VERY IMPORTANT! We owe everything to nature :bow: Pollute is completely illegal.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights, Universal Human Rights, What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms & Universal Individual Freedom: The empire have got a particularly concept of them. You have to give some freedom to your citizens but not an excessive freedom so then citizens will take advantage about it and probably rebel. Inside the freedom that you give them, they can do whatever they want about their lives (except be religious and confront violently to the government and the emperor). It isn't a dictatorship, so people can be gay/lesbian without any problem, they can travel where they want of the planet without any permission and do more things with total freedom.
SCIENCE!: As the environment, is very important and it's the cause of the humanity advance :bow:
Education: Important, so children have to grow up with good moral ideas, with respect to the neighbor and without any god existing idea. Religious schools are completely illegal.
Industry: Good , productive and clean ;) Pollute and slavery are banned with some jail years.


A horrifically oppressive regime of godless nature-worshippers. These disgusting savages must be destroyed.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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The Steel Fraternity
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Founded: Jul 24, 2010
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:41 pm

Wolny Kraj wrote:Full Nation Name: The Communist Polish Republic of Wolny Kraj
Name:Wolny Kraj
Stance On:
Republicanism: if it's the American kind, we hate it.
Anarchy: meh. not our cup of tea, but not as bad as some.
Totalitarianism: we won't stand for it.
Capitalism: sickens us
Communism: the way to be!
Socialism: you're getting there, comrade.
Fascism: an abomination
Monarchy: total crap
Abortion: okay in some cases, not in others.
Alcohol: we're Polish. We fricking love it.
Drugs: meh, if you're informed of the risks, you should be allowed to throw your life away.
Homosexuality: in the army, we pretend to be anti-gay but we really don't care. Gays are allowed to adopt and marry.
Death Penalty: depends
Militaries: we like to be well defended, but too much can be oppressive.
Gun Control: strict as can be
Religion: all for it, we're Christian communists.
Slavery: no way.
Expansionism: if it's at the cost of other nations than no, but if not it's fine.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: no idea
Racial Superiority: hellz to the no
The Environment: a high priority.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: I'll do this one later.
Universal Human Rights: necessary
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: I'll do this one later
Universal Individual Freedom: not sure
SCIENCE!: good I guess.
Education: high priority, it fixes all other problems like poverty and racism.
Industry: as long as it's not at the expense of the environment.

Oppressive, anti-democratic Communist scum. There's really not much else to be said, except "fire."

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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The Steel Fraternity
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Founded: Jul 24, 2010
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:43 pm

Conservatives states wrote:Full Nation Name: The Industrial Supernation of Conservatives states
Name: Duke Joshua Lampton
Stance On:
Republicanism: Neutral
Anarchy: For, doesn't really matter on what form. As long as it suits the needs of our people. Most of our people happen to be Libertarian/Anarcho-capitalists.
Totalitarianism: Against
Capitalism: Depends on the definition.
Communism: Depends on the definition.
Socialism: Depends on the definition.
Fascism: Against
Monarchy: For
Abortion: Personal Choice, but certain townships may choose whether it's legal or not.
Alcohol: PARTY HARD! But we do have some religious fundamentalists that outlaw it in their township.
Drugs: Depends on the drug, and or township in question. Federal level has no law against it.
Homosexuality: Personal Choice
Death Penalty: Shooting Squad for the most deadly crimes.
Militaries: Militias, private militaries.
Gun Control: Depends on the township, but on a federal level we have none.
Religion: None, the leader is a profound Atheist.
Slavery: Only to pay off debt, but owners have to follow certain humane guidelines.
Expansionism: Homesteading is major part of our expansion, people choose to be within our boundaries.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Sympathizes
Racial Superiority: Everyone is equal to rise and fall at their own merit.
The Environment: The earth can take care of itself, people will have to choose whether or not they want to pick up after themselves. but it's not mandatory.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights:Do unto others as you wish done unto you.
Universal Human Rights: Everyone is equal
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Unless you are about to slit someones thoat, you are free to do what you want.
Universal Individual Freedom: Everyone is free.
SCIENCE!: Fundamental basis of our society.
Education: Fundamental basis of our society.
Industry: Fundamental basis of our society.


A mostly decent nation, but the extreme weakness of the central government bodes ill for its future fortunes.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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The First Awesocracy
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Founded: Dec 11, 2010
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Postby The First Awesocracy » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:02 pm

Full Nation Name: The Principality of the First Awesocracy
Name: the Awesocracy

Stance On:
Republicanism: It's okay.
Anarchy: Awesome and fun to an extend.
Totalitarianism: Cruel but efficent.
Capitalism: It's okay.
Communism: Fuck it.
Socialism: It's okay.
Fascism: Occasionally useful for nations but not favorable to us.
Monarchy: Awesome if done right.
Abortion: No comment.
Alcohol: Great for parties.
Drugs: Good for parties too but bad for your health.
Homosexuality: Fine with it.
Death Penalty: Useful for dealing with the worst criminals.
Militaries: Always a good thing.
Gun Control: Everyone should carry a gun, except children.
Religion: Believe whatever you want, but you gotta respect the High Priest.
Slavery: Okay as long as the slaves agree to it.
Expansionism: Usually a good thing, unless it's an oppressive totalitarian military nation doing it.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Who?
Racial Superiority: There's two things I hate in this world; racists people and the Dutch.
The Environment: A nice thing to have around.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: Citizens deserve many rights but the government should be allowed to temporarily take them away when necessary.
Universal Human Rights: Everyone deserves equal rights. Except the Dutch.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: People can do whatever they want as long as they aren't breaking any laws.
Universal Individual Freedom: Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!
SCIENCE!: Is awesome.
Education: Boring but necessary.
Industry: Boring but helps create awesomeness.
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The Steel Fraternity
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Founded: Jul 24, 2010
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:07 pm

Korintar wrote:*QuotePyramidSnip*

Mr. Lee,

It has come to our attention that you have done nothing but denigrate and insult the nations of the world. We would like to know exactly what your stance is on these things. Are you trying to make every nation in this world and beyond your enemy?

We are not tree-huggers, as you claim- it is common sense that leads us to support policies that cause minimal harm to the environment as it is in the best interests of society at large. It is short term thinking that makes severe environmental degradation seem like a bright idea. Continue on this path and that shall be your demise.

Infanticidal? We make every effort to prevent abortion through comprehensive sex education in our country and giving incentives to those who choose to keep the baby and try to make the adoption process run as smoothly as possible, for we recognize it is and unfortunate choice for one to make.

Hippies? Ha, you make me laugh. Hippies are pacifists. They abhor warfare to the utmost degree. Would hippies field several million soldiers? Would they support a navy of a couple hundred ships? They would not. We practice realpolitik and realize that it is sometimes necessary to go to war. We do fight back when threatened and refuse to stand down from any challenge.

Communist? Not in the traditional sense! We believe in workplace democracy, first and foremost. We do recognize that, in some industries, market mechanisms are desirable or are the most efficient and logical method (certain artisanal industries, entertainment, retail, and medical services to an extent).

I am looking forward to your response, Mr. Lee.

Sincerely,

Zakir Myosin Sezadu III, Director Emeritus


Mr. "President,"

We view just and free nations positively. Those nations built on injustice, immorality, and oppression, like yours, are viewed negatively. You and your ilk may outnumber the decent nations of the world, but that does not mean that we don't recognize them when they appear.

It is a symptom of primitive thinking to infer a simplistic order where a far more complicated series of interactions governed by the laws of physics and chemistry exist. It is so that such intellectually infantile nations such as yours insist that the "environment" and "ecosystem" exist in some form of constant balance, and further that it is desirable to maintain this balance, even if doing so is to the detriment of human interests. The sheer, childish regression of this unscientific thinking is evident in the very words that those such as you use to describe the covering of flora and fauna on the world; you use maternalistic terms like "mother nature," allowing you to, once you have projected a nonexistent harmony onto the complex interactions that make up the world, personify into an endearing form.

The simple fact of the matter is that there is no "natural" order beyond the fundamental laws of physics, chemistry, and the like. The "ecosystem" is no system at all; even without human intervention there is no equilibrium present in it, only a chaotic assortment of countless varieties of living organisms constantly in flux as they evolve, compete, and go extinct, all while desparately competing over the natural mineral, nutritional, and energy resources of the world and the sun's light, as these resources slowly, almost imperceptably dwindle over the course of aeons.

The only reason that you and those others who have deluded themselves into seeing some beneficent system in the organic covering of the world are not absolutely laughable is the grim consequences of your ignorant worldview. By submitting mankind's wellbeing to that of a motley assortment of plants and animals, you are in essence declaring the inherent worthlessness of human lives and endeavors. By putting the beasts and plants of the field ahead of your own people, you are embracing the primitivity, ignorance, and squalor that our ancestors spent millenia clawing their way up out of, and doing your best to lead mankind back down into a state of absolute darkness, where we would be no better than apes.

That is why we call you tree huggers.

You have the organization in place to ensure that unwanted babies can be taken off the hands of their delinquent mothers, yet you still allow those same women to have those same babies killed, provided they are still within the womb. That is why we call you infanticidal.

Hippies are worthless, drug-addled crackpots. Given your embrace of chemical mind alteration, that seems as good a word for you as any.

"Workplace democracy" means nothing more than the annihilation of man's fundamental right to private possession. You can dress it up however you like, but it still boils down to the idea that no matter how hard a man works, no matter how fairly and honestly he comes by what is his, it can be taken from him with no better justification than that some worthless layabout "needs it."

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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The Steel Fraternity
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:13 pm

The First Awesocracy wrote:Full Nation Name: The Principality of the First Awesocracy
Name: the Awesocracy
Stance On:
Republicanism: It's okay.
Anarchy: Awesome and fun to an extend.
Totalitarianism: Cruel but efficent.
Capitalism: It's okay.
Communism: Fuck it.
Socialism: It's okay.
Fascism: Occasionally useful for nations but not favorable to us.
Monarchy: Awesome if done right.
Abortion: No comment.
Alcohol: Great for parties.
Drugs: Good for parties too but bad for your health.
Homosexuality: Fine with it.
Death Penalty: Useful for dealing with the worst criminals.
Militaries: Always a good thing.
Gun Control: Everyone should carry a gun, except children.
Religion: Believe whatever you want, but you gotta respect the High Priest.
Slavery: Okay as long as the slaves agree to it.
Expansionism: Usually a good thing, unless it's an oppressive totalitarian military nation doing it.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Who?
Racial Superiority: There's two things I hate in this world; racists people and the Dutch.
The Environment: A nice thing to have around.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: Citizens deserve many rights but the government should be allowed to temporarily take them away when necessary.
Universal Human Rights: Everyone deserves equal rights. Except the Dutch.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: People can do whatever they want as long as they aren't breaking any laws.
Universal Individual Freedom: Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!
SCIENCE!: Is awesome.
Education: Boring but necessary.
Industry: Boring but helps create awesomeness.


Aside for their lack of respect for education and industry, and their sympathies for socialism, this "Awesomocracy" seems all right.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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Verangii
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Founded: Dec 11, 2010
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Postby Verangii » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:17 pm

Full Nation Name:The Migratory Fleet of the Verangii People
Name:Verangii

Stance On:
Republicanism:just
Anarchy:lawless
Totalitarianism:only when necessary
Capitalism:yayy!
Communism:booo!
Socialism:meh.
Fascism:meh.
Monarchy:ok if its constitutional
Abortion:outlawed
Alcohol:22& up
Drugs:illegal
Homosexuality:illegal
Death Penalty:encouraged
Militaries:necessary for sovereignty
Gun Control:NO!
Religion:freedom of religon.
Slavery:illegal
Expansionism:meh
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: dont know enough about it
Racial Superiority:no
The Environment:a load of crap
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights:ffod, shelter, clothing, and liberty
Universal Human Rights:not really human rights
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms:life liberty and the pursuit of happiness
Universal Individual Freedom:?
SCIENCE!:important as long as it is not Atheistic
Education:important
Industry:necessary
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The Steel Fraternity
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:20 pm

Verangii wrote:Full Nation Name:The Migratory Fleet of the Verangii People
Name:Verangii
Stance On:
Republicanism:just
Anarchy:lawless
Totalitarianism:only when necessary
Capitalism:yayy!
Communism:booo!
Socialism:meh.
Fascism:meh.
Monarchy:ok if its constitutional
Abortion:outlawed
Alcohol:22& up
Drugs:illegal
Homosexuality:illegal
Death Penalty:encouraged
Militaries:necessary for sovereignty
Gun Control:NO!
Religion:freedom of religon.
Slavery:illegal
Expansionism:meh
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: dont know enough about it
Racial Superiority:no
The Environment:a load of crap
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights:ffod, shelter, clothing, and liberty
Universal Human Rights:not really human rights
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms:life liberty and the pursuit of happiness
Universal Individual Freedom:?
SCIENCE!:important as long as it is not Atheistic
Education:important
Industry:necessary


Overall, a free, democratic nation. However, their description of human rights as including food and shelter hints at disturbingly socialistic leanings.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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Postby Jbeil » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:30 pm

Full Nation Name:The Second Jbeili Empire.
Name:Jbeil.

Stance On:
Republicanism:Good.
Anarchy:Very bad.
Totalitarianism:Bad.
Capitalism:Good.
Communism:Neutral.
Socialism:Good.
Fascism:Very bad.
Monarchy:Very good.
Abortion:Neutral,and legal.
Alcohol:Neutral,and legal.
Drugs:Bad,and illegal.
Homosexuality:Neutral,and legal.
Death Penalty:Bad,and illegal.
Militaries:Neutral.
Gun Control:Bad,and strictly regulated.
Religion:Good.
Slavery:Very bad,and illegal.
Expansionism:Good.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity:Neutral.
Racial Superiority:Very bad.
The Environment:Very good.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights:Right to life,property and liberty.
Universal Human Rights:Very good.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms:Right to life,property and liberty.
Universal Individual Freedom:Very good.
SCIENCE!:Very good.
Education:Very good.
Industry:Good.
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Postby Violan » Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:16 pm

Why not? This sounds fun.

Full Nation Name:The Voluntarist Lands of Violan
Name: Uh...Violan

Stance On:
Republicanism: Largely against, though some city-states within Violan may have republican systems of government--only on a voluntary basis, however.
Anarchy: For, considering Violan is an anarcho-capitalist society
Totalitarianism: Against
Capitalism: The primary economic system of Violan, greatly loved by the majority of people (though some covenants and city-states such as Reissgard do not practice it and are not forced to).
Communism: Against, with the exception of voluntary communist communities that spring up occasionally.
Socialism: Same as above.
Fascism: Ditto
Monarchy: Against, though some people are almost monarchs in terms of prestige (Professor Bernardo de la Paz's words can heavily influence the nation, for example, but he cannot force anyone to do his bidding).
Abortion: Personal views differ, though the law code expressly legalizes it. A women has a property right to her own body, and just as a property holder has the right to cast off a starving and dying man from his land property--grossly immoral though it may be--a woman can cast a nascent child from her body.
Alcohol: Legal, of course.
Drugs: Legal, though employers have been known to fire employees that abuse them. That is their right, however.
Homosexuality: Their right, of course, though some covenants and voluntary communities may ban it (which is pointless, really, since no homosexual would voluntarily join their community in the first place).
Death Penalty: The legal code focuses on restitution to the victim, and a death penalty is pointless in this. Some city-states and covenants have the death penalty for some crimes. This is currently a hot-button issue on whether or not the overall legal code should retaliate against voluntary communities that deem death for crimes lesser than, say, murder. It will likely end up, as the different defense agencies seek arbitration over the issue, that the covenants have the right to retaliate with lethal force to an extent.
Militaries: Private defense agencies form the military protection of Violan for some, while others mobilize into voluntary militias, while others eschew protection at all. Different strokes for different folks.
Gun Control: It's illegal to deprive someone of his ability to purchase whatever weapon he may like, but different property owners of roads or other land sometimes ban access to their property for people who bring in a certain caliber weapon or higher, or any gun at all.
Religion: Personal issue. There is no state to enforce a religion or not.
Slavery: Another hot-button issue in the nation at the moment. Involuntary slavery is of course outlawed, but a debate is raging whether or not someone can voluntarily sell the rights to his own personage--and to what extent the property rights law will apply to him afterward.
Expansionism: Violently opposed. Any covenant or city-state caught attempting to expand its dominion to those who do not voluntarily accept it will be met with lethal retaliatory force by the rest of the nation. Similarly, any attempt to invade Violan by an outside party altogether would be met with equal force, perhaps including nuclear weapons.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Up to individuals to decide, though Violan's merchants and capitalists are always seeking new markets, and of course would like to trade in the Empire.
Racial Superiority: Largely opposed, with the exception of some voluntary racial communities.
The Environment: Property rights are enforced for all land, rivers, lakes, beaches, and sea/ocean. Even the air use-rights are enforced--which almost happened back in the 19th century as nations began industrializing but the state usually decided that "progress" could not be inhibited, even if pollution harmed others.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: Property--which includes life and liberty as you and no one else owns yourself.
Universal Human Rights: I don't quite understand the question, but property rights are enforced for all save those who voluntarily give them up (such as communists). No one is FORCED to provide for others, though many private charities take care of the less fortunate.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Property--which includes life and liberty as you and no one else owns yourself.
Universal Individual Freedom: Same as "Universal Human rights".
SCIENCE!: HECK YEEEEAH!
Education: Voluntary and totally private. Parents can send children to one of many different private schools or home-school for as long or as little or they like. Child labor, while not outlawed, is discouraged by the fact that many employers will not hire children--partly due to the taboo that still exists and partly because children are often less productive than their older counterparts.
Industry: HECK YEEEEEAH! Business is booming without any government to muck things up.
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Postby Songnam » Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:57 pm

The Steel Fraternity wrote:
Songnam wrote:Full Nation Name: The Greater Democratic Union of Songnam
Name: Songnam
*FormSnip*


A mostly decent-seeming nation, aside from troubling sympathies for Communism. Otherwise they appear decently democratic and Capitalist. However, the fact that their government apparently reserves the right to outlaw any religions they don't like leaves us rather leery towards the idea of opening relations with them.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

OOC: Did you seriously just call the United States Republican Party "ultraconservative"? Dude, I want some of what you're smoking.

To Mr. Lee,
I think you are mistaken, we only outlaw those religions that cause destruction of the person or the property. Also, do you know anything about communism?

Kim Ki-Yong, Head of the People's Foreign Affairs Office

EDIT:OOC: You want to know when'll smoking? I'm smoking Leftist Libertarianism with a side of pissed of at the overall blind party loyalty. And I only meant Sarah Palin and all those other people who don't believe in separating church and state
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Postby Cathalysto » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:41 am

The Steel Fraternity wrote:
Cathalysto wrote:Full Nation Name: The Total Neocentrist Empire of Cathalysto
Name: Cathalysto
Stance On:
Republicanism: Not bad, but too fragile.. easy to destroy.
Anarchy: Good ideology, bad application.
Totalitarianism: So bad. People will get angry easily, you need a cross between a free and a dictatorial system.
Capitalism: Best system by now. It has to be controlled carefully, it's fragile. Anyways the neoliberalism sucks a lot.
Communism: The basic idea it's good but the application is a piece of shit. It's so unreal.. the only good thing is that promotes the atheism.
Socialism: Not bad. A combination of a capitalist and a socialist societies will be perfect.
Fascism: The extremes touch themselves. Bad, bad, bad... and also promotes the religion!! :palm:
Monarchy: Piece of shit.
Abortion: Good and bad. The controlled and careful abortion of a 1-3 months fetus is accepted, but the massive abortion and the brutish operations (like the abortion of a 6-7 months fetus) is not tolerate.
Alcohol: Same as abortion. Controlled and careful drink is not bad, a night of drinking is not bad. But drink and after: drive, is penalized with some jail months.
Drugs: Must be destroyed.. ALL!
Homosexuality: I don't consider it a problem. It's just another fact in the human (and animal) beings (gay/lesbian people are normal people).
Death Penalty: It's sad to say, but there are some people that are IMPOSSIBLE to rehabilitate. People who have killed about dozens of citizens and are the darkest terrorists in the society and they don't appreciate the life. Only that type of criminals must be killed!
Militaries: When a m*therfucker comes to invade your nation, that incredible men sacrifice their life for any meter of any cities. OF COURSE, are necessary.
Gun Control: ANY person that haven't served the military for about 5 years CAN'T have guns (except the police). Have one illegal gun is penalized with one jail year.
Religion: One of the WORST things of the humanity, it has stopped the human technology and advance for hundreds of years. Must be purged, destroyed, burned and buried. The religion is a cancer.
Slavery: Have to be abolished.
Expansionism: Only if you have too many citizens (about millions) in a small area and you need more territories.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: I'll give my opinion when I have more information.
Racial Superiority: Have to be penalized. The racism is another cancer o the humanity.
The Environment: VERY IMPORTANT! We owe everything to nature :bow: Pollute is completely illegal.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights, Universal Human Rights, What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms & Universal Individual Freedom: The empire have got a particularly concept of them. You have to give some freedom to your citizens but not an excessive freedom so then citizens will take advantage about it and probably rebel. Inside the freedom that you give them, they can do whatever they want about their lives (except be religious and confront violently to the government and the emperor). It isn't a dictatorship, so people can be gay/lesbian without any problem, they can travel where they want of the planet without any permission and do more things with total freedom.
SCIENCE!: As the environment, is very important and it's the cause of the humanity advance :bow:
Education: Important, so children have to grow up with good moral ideas, with respect to the neighbor and without any god existing idea. Religious schools are completely illegal.
Industry: Good , productive and clean ;) Pollute and slavery are banned with some jail years.


A horrifically oppressive regime of godless nature-worshippers. These disgusting savages must be destroyed.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity


I'm sorry Zachary but we can't obey a carpenter dressed with a robe... it doesn't exists ;)
The day when Mr. God presents to us we will believe in him, by now it's only a human imagination. Meanwhile we will continue keeping safe the nature... a great thing that exists.. and provides us of knowledge and oxygen ;) Also it's more beautiful than God massacres :)
And well, as I said we are atheists... we don't "believe" in the nature as a spiritual entity. We just protect it from the destructive human instinct.
Our empire only it's oppressive with traitors and terrorists...

Have a nice day.
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Postby Kaledoria » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:27 am

Full Nation Name: The Holy Kaledorian Empire
Name: Kaledoria

Stance On:
Republicanism: "Someone elects somebody" - a political philosophy could not be any more vague.
Anarchy: We have a strong anarchistic movement in the capitol (Latest estimation: About 3% being diehart determined on it, over 10% at least somewhat sympathizing.). These individuals do not understand, that this can not be a concept for the whole nation, since there would always be some troublemakers not responsible enough, that would ruin it for everybody else.
Totalitarianism: These "Senates" and "Parliaments" are just a way to give people power without responsibility, that WILL surely leads to abuse. Limited terms of power lead to irresponsible short term decisions. Only Totalitarians with all the powers and all the responsibility can really do what is best for the people.
Capitalism: We adopted it as a response to the necessities of global markets. With limitations, however, as in Kaledoria, Cooperations are no persons. Any action needs one or more live humans legally responsible for it.
Communism: Another good theory, but as said, the necessities of global free markets favor capitalism for now. We do have a communist movement, too, however (minor compared to the anarchists). Their attempts on creating stock companies based on distributed ownership among the workers, however, have shown to be slow to react on market changes and hesitating to take drastic actions, when necessary.
Socialism: The society needs to provide everybody with the opportunity to help themselves. That does not mean more then keeping them alive, however.
Fascism: They have all the goals and measures mixed up. Totalitarianism is not a goal to gather as much as possible but a measure to use as little as possible. Nationalism is a tool to keep the people working together, not a goal to make yourself superior to everyone else. And finally militarism is a proud tradition, not a way to keep the population down.
Monarchy: While we realize, that it simplifies the complex process of succession for the leaders, we don't want to take away our leaders option to choose the one most able for the job as their successor, in favor of an arbitrary hereditary rule.
Abortion: Legal, although lately abortion after the first half of the pregnancy has become quite socially frowned. It's not really necessary either, because our orphanage-system is quite good.
Alcohol: Beer, mead, wine, we have it all. Pure hard alcoholics (40% and up) are quite uncommon, however, as our hedonists like to get drunk on tasty stuff.
Drugs: Again, no restrictions (generally, for minors however, the parents are responsible to keep them save. Minors using drugs, drinking or even running around with firearms, that's a fast way to get your children taken into state custody).
Homosexuality: So what? Not a big deal here. In Adoption process they are considered after traditional couples before single candidates, but simply because they are of the same gender, not because of their sexual preferences.
Death Penalty: Under military law, treason (= something aimed to destabilize the military or the nation) is punishable by death. Former Supreme Leader Mahault executed quite a huge number of people who tried to assassinate him for that reason. Current leader Maraxus even judged that only those trying to kill him as an ideological statement are guilty of treason, anyone trying to assassinate him to get another person into the same position just gets thrown into prison forever. Death penalty was not executed since then.
Militaries:It's the backbone of our society. The compulsory military service does not only keep us save, it also teaches valuable lessons of life and social behavior and offers orientation for the soldier's future, like political career options etc. Connections build in this time often last the whole life.
Gun Control: Our glorious leader believe that based on military standing and former military service the people of Kaledoria are quite responsible to handle guns. Basic weapons and "nonlethal" ammunition are unrestricted (Nonlethal in quotation marks because if you shoot someone down with it and then walk over to him while he is lying on the ground crying in pain and shoot another 5 or 6 rounds into his face or torso, he can quite possibly die, too. ... But then again, you can beat someone to death with a stick, too.)
Religion: We are split into Levantine, Muslim, Christian and atheists (plus some minor groups) and united by the idea that religion as a whole is not such a central topic.
Slavery: While forced labor was used as a criminal punishment and is theoretically still possible through hardly ever used, full and unlimited ownership of a person is straight out.
Expansionism: We are an empire. Some guys expanded into others and a glorious nation was born. Even now, we do have some extraterritorial areas under protection. They don't get fully integrated into the empire however, since our way of living would not suit them. So we just take care of them, until they can stand on their own feet.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: We are impressed. Putting the power not into the military but the intellectual elite seams to work for you. In economics you should really focus more on supporting small and moderate businesses to prevent your poor/rich spread to worsen even more.
We bow before the might of your military, ground-based dominance reminds us of our own. We would love to test our combat vehicles designed after the rule "the biggest weapon available on the fastest chassis possible" against your super-heavy tanks, as well as some friendly maneuver-games between our respective elite troops (I wonder whether our 9x70mm cartridge with light armor-penetrating capabilities can penetrate your power armor).
Racial Superiority: The concept of race is difficult for us to understand. We do however believe, that humans are the superior species, no matter what those grizzly/ant-hugging hippies thing. ;)
The Environment: The environment is robuster then most people fear and our economical boom is more fragile then most people want to know, so until recently the later had preference. Lately our industry has realized that there is profit to be made in recycling and alternate sources of energy, so we slowly start to become a little more environmental-friendly, but there is still a long way to go.

And now the part where you really should have explained, how you mean it.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: Security from physical harm, property, freedom?
Universal Human Rights: We value freedom the highest. We don't even include elections, however, as those popularity-games help no one. Likewise, if you want to administrate people, you should show your competence by working your way up the military (administration) hierarchy, not by making promises and looking friendly in election-advertising.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Liberty, the right to do whatever the fuck you want!!!!!! (as long as it does not harm the health, property or liberty of another person)
Universal Individual Freedom: As said, we value it highly. Among the highest ranking aspects is self expression, thus the dirty overcrowded avatar of Moloch we call our capitol is worth a visit if only to be impressed by the street art and fashion.
SCIENCE!: Of course! good scientists are in high demand in our nation, it's one of the best financed focuses of our higher education. It's just that somehow it's not that popular as a choice of career in the more rural areas, we need to improve there.
Education: The best investment into the future.
Industry: The engine of our economical boom. Farming was important in medieval times and services bring your economy only to a barely surviving level. Industry is the key factor.
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Postby Sungai Pusat » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:07 am

The Steel Fraternity wrote:
Sungai Pusat wrote:Oh no, not another one of you who truly think no leader or authority means chaos. Scew you, I'm going back.
-Some nosy citizen


You don't even have public law enforcement, according to your Factbook. The only piece of legislation your government ever managed to pass wasn't even really a law, but a general statement of rights.

You are, quite literally, a lawless nation.

--Brother Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity


You didn't see the factbook properly, didn't you? We have mentioned that no authority exists in the nation, but we did not say we have no form of rule whatsoever. Plz do not confuse the term anarchy.

-Same guy
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Postby Wolny Kraj » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:20 am

How are we oppressive or antidemocratic? We have a house of representatives with at leat ten parties, but the people have elected the communists because they are extremely well educated. We do not oppress our people, and I challenge you to find an example of "oppression"

-People's Leader Szczepan Łwówski of Wolny Kraj
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Postby Genomita » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:31 am

Perhaps Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity would be so kind as to provide us with a summary of the Steel Fraternity's opinions on the different topics listed at the beginning of this topic. I'm sure it would be a great help to future participants.
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Postby Capisaria » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:39 am

Full Nation Name: The Federation of Capisaria
Name:Capisaria

Stance On:
Republicanism: It values the Corporation's CEOs more than the rest of the people
Anarchy: Horrible, just look at Somalia
Totalitarianism: Bad idea, absolute power corrupts absolutely
Capitalism: Good idea, but never works out
Communism: Good idea, but never works out
Socialism: Nice middle ground, allows for private business, and allows for government protection of the consumer
Fascism: Bad, Hitler anyone?
Monarchy: Old outdated way of government
Abortion: Should be legal, but only within the first 3 months of pregnancy, or until it is looking like a human. (not a bunch of cells)
Alcohol: Legal
Drugs: If you mean prescription, then it needs to be regulated, if illegal, legalize and regulate it, except for meth, heroine, or coke.
Homosexuality: WHats wrong w/ it?
Death Penalty: Only in severe cases, like multiple rapes
Militaries: Definitely needed.
Gun Control: Of course!
Religion: An outdated way, but still needs to be respected
Slavery: wrong!
Expansionism: It's ok, we do it.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: we have just met
Racial Superiority: Wrong, no one is superior, we are all humans
The Environment: save it, without it, what would we do?
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: freedom, kindness, no wrongdoing
Universal Human Rights: of course, it is the way to go
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Being able to choose what you want, not having the gov telling you what to do, with laws excluded
Universal Individual Freedom: Need them
SCIENCE!: AWESOME!
Education: Important
Industry: Important

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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:26 am

Songnam wrote:*QuotePyramidSnip*

To Mr. Lee,
I think you are mistaken, we only outlaw those religions that cause destruction of the person or the property. Also, do you know anything about communism?

Kim Ki-Yong, Head of the People's Foreign Affairs Office

EDIT:OOC: You want to know when'll smoking? I'm smoking Leftist Libertarianism with a side of pissed of at the overall blind party loyalty. And I only meant Sarah Palin and all those other people who don't believe in separating church and state


"Freedom of religion is allowed, assuming nonviolent and nonaggressive and not hypocritical" (emphasis added). By including that last bit, you are implicitly stating that your government reserves the right to make subjective, personal moral judgements of other religions, and outlaw those that disagree with the most prevalent set of values present in your government.

Cathalysto wrote:*snip*
I'm sorry Zachary but we can't obey a carpenter dressed with a robe... it doesn't exists ;)
The day when Mr. God presents to us we will believe in him, by now it's only a human imagination. Meanwhile we will continue keeping safe the nature... a great thing that exists.. and provides us of knowledge and oxygen ;) Also it's more beautiful than God massacres :)
And well, as I said we are atheists... we don't "believe" in the nature as a spiritual entity. We just protect it from the destructive human instinct.
Our empire only it's oppressive with traitors and terrorists...

Have a nice day.


Your continued condescension and childish stubborness provide a much stronger argument against anyone taking you seriously than I ever could.

Sungai Pusat wrote: *Snip*

You didn't see the factbook properly, didn't you? We have mentioned that no authority exists in the nation, but we did not say we have no form of rule whatsoever. Plz do not confuse the term anarchy.

-Same guy


Anarchy does not exist. It is a pipe dream. You might call any lawless system anarchy as long as the people with the most thugs remain relatively civil, but the fact remains that you are a lawless nation run by a patchwork of private warlords.

Wolny Kraj wrote:How are we oppressive or antidemocratic? We have a house of representatives with at leat ten parties, but the people have elected the communists because they are extremely well educated. We do not oppress our people, and I challenge you to find an example of "oppression"

-People's Leader Szczepan Łwówski of Wolny Kraj


(emphasis added)

That is simultaneously the most blatant lie and worst oxymoron I have ver come across. As for "oppression," you deny your people the basic right to private property.

Genomita wrote:Perhaps Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity would be so kind as to provide us with a summary of the Steel Fraternity's opinions on the different topics listed at the beginning of this topic. I'm sure it would be a great help to future participants.


The first post has been edited to clarify things.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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Postby Songnam » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:21 am

The Steel Fraternity wrote:
Songnam wrote:*QuotePyramidSnip*

To Mr. Lee,
I think you are mistaken, we only outlaw those religions that cause destruction of the person or the property. Also, do you know anything about communism?

Kim Ki-Yong, Head of the People's Foreign Affairs Office

EDIT:OOC: You want to know when'll smoking? I'm smoking Leftist Libertarianism with a side of pissed of at the overall blind party loyalty. And I only meant Sarah Palin and all those other people who don't believe in separating church and state


"Freedom of religion is allowed, assuming nonviolent and nonaggressive and not hypocritical" (emphasis added). By including that last bit, you are implicitly stating that your government reserves the right to make subjective, personal moral judgements of other religions, and outlaw those that disagree with the most prevalent set of values present in your government.

Well yes, we can outlaw scientologists since they have no evidence for their scam and they claim to help people while scamming them and using underhanded tactics. We can't outlaw Christianity , due to the overwhelming lack of evidence against the existence of Jesus, and it is not hypocritical. We can't outlaw creationism since it also carries no hypocrisy. We don't outlaw if it is hypocritical to one of the many political parties of Songnam; it has to be hypocritical overall. The actions taken by it's followers, whether ethical or not, are their actions, not the religion's.

Kim Ki-Yong, Head of the People's External Affairs Office

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