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Sungai Pusat
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Postby Sungai Pusat » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:56 am

The Steel Fraternity wrote:
Sungai Pusat wrote:Full Nation Name: The Anarcho-Libertarian Society of Sungai Pusat
Name: Sungai Pusat
Staynce On:
Republicanism: Greatest of all government systems, but still a tad bit flawed.
Anarchy: One greater system
Totalitarianism: Worst of all.
Capitalism:Worst of all, until you consider the other economic systems.
Communism: See above, just take the worst and replace it with best.
Socialism: See communism.
Fascism: Really bad!
Monarchy: Yikes!
Abortion: We'd make it legal, but we persnally feel it is a unnessecary operation.
Alcohol: Most of us don't drink anyway, but we make it legal to kep the other group here.
Drugs: Above.
Homosexuality: Above.
Death Penalty: Worst of all, not used at almost any time.
Militaries: OK, I guess.
Gun Control: Nay.
Religion: OK, makin it legal is giving respect.
Slavery: No way!
Expansionism: Maybe, OK? Or not? As long as you do it peacefully. :D
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Hmm......
Racial Superiority: No no! That harms business! :lol:
The Environment: Most of us care about it and the business folows suit. But other than that, the official stance that is shown is 'meh'.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: Well, some of the rights are ones we don't agree to.
Universal Human Rights: Maybe?
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Yes!
Universal Individual Freedom: Wedo wannahave that in.
SCIENCE!: That's ze best!
Education: Don't force it!
Industry: Got its ups and downs, I mean......


Sungai Pusat appears to be a lawless, leaderless land of chaos. While its stance on capitalism is admirable, its lack of law and order means it cannot in its current state become truly civilized, or properly protect the rights of its citizens.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

Oh no, not another one of you who truly think no leader or authority means chaos. Scew you, I'm going back.
-Some nosy citizen
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Terran Nor
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Founded: Nov 25, 2010
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Postby Terran Nor » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:01 am

Full Nation Name: The Dictatorship of Terran Nor
Name: Terran Nor

Stance On:
Republicanism: Undesirable.
Anarchy: Undesirable.
Totalitarianism: It ultimately gets nation leaders killed in revolutions, at times understandable.
Capitalism: Against.
Communism: Desirable only in it's most collectivistic form.
Socialism: We have a proto-left-wing economy (everything is government controlled, so there are no deficits, since whatever money government creates ultimately and inevitably returns to the government), but we're NOT Socialists.
Fascism: Illegal.
Monarchy: We've executed our monarchs a decade ago.
Abortion: Legal.
Alcohol: Legal, except for the excessive drinking.
Drugs: Illegal.
Homosexuality: Illegal.
Death Penalty: Besides life-time labor camp, the only sentence.
Militaries: Desirable, we have A LOT of army here, everybody from 12 year olds to 35 year olds are sometimes conscripted for no reason.
Gun Control: Strict, no one except police or military can own one.
Religion: We're secular.
Slavery: Illegal.
Expansionism: Acceptable at times.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Neutral.
Racial Superiority: Ridiculous idea.
The Environment: Pleasantly good environment is desirable (however low priority).
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: They are irrelevant. State above all.
Universal Human Rights: Look at above.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Freedom is irrelevant. State above all.
Universal Individual Freedom: Look at above.
SCIENCE!: Superb, currently researching cloning for military purposes. Science is desirable.
Education: Good enough educational system is desirable.
Industry: Industry is desirable and superb here.
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Nydelin
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Postby Nydelin » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:00 am

The Holy Empire of Nydelin also only responds to these unfashionably late, so it works.

Full Nation Name: The Holy Empire of Nydelin
Name: Nydelin

Stance On:
Republicanism: Neutral. Not desired for the Holy Empire, however.
Anarchy: Strongly against.
Totalitarianism: The easiest way to keep control.
Capitalism: Strongly against.
Communism: Potential allies.
Socialism: Good ideals, just needs control more firmly seated.
Fascism: An effective system. Useful allies.
Monarchy: Good with a good monarch. Otherwise, a waste of time.
Abortion: Against. The Holy Empire needs more soldiers--and taxes.
Alcohol: Available, but frowned upon by Her Holiness.
Drugs: Harsh penalties to any caught.
Homosexuality: Taboo subject, frowned on publicly but there are rumors in upper echelons...
Death Penalty: Common penalty for even moderately severe crimes.
Militaries: Mandatory service. Only chance most peasants have for a better life than a field or factory.
Gun Control: Her Holiness has the guns, so she has the control.
Religion: There is only one option. Taught in schools from an early age, deviation is looking for trouble at best.
Slavery: Illegal, though the indentured servitude of the citizenry borders upon it.
Expansionism: To spread Her Will, it must be done.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: The Steel Fraternity has many tenets that Her Holiness agrees with, but is worried that their rapid destruction of their own lands and too much personal freedoms could lead to problems.
Racial Superiority: Anyone from the Holy Empire is superior...besides that, their color is irrelevant.
The Environment: A careful balance must be struck between resources and nature. Protect enough to keep healthy and lush, use enough to meet your needs.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: The right to follow whatever Her Holiness decrees. Liking it helps.
Universal Human Rights: Loving it works even better.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Not expecting any is a good start. You might be pleasantly surprised occasionally that way.
Universal Individual Freedom: ----
SCIENCE!: Build it bigger, build it stronger, and then use it to crush things.
Education: Heavily focused on religious indoctrination, save for the higher education which is usually reserved for military officers and clergy.
Industry: Her Holiness owns everything. Even houses are technically "on loan" from her, though it's rare for anyone to lose their house unless they commit treason.

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Shaheen
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Postby Shaheen » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:10 am

The Steel Fraternity wrote:
Shaheen wrote:Full Nation Name: The Free Land of Shaheen
Name: Shaheen
Stance On:
Republicanism: A fine system of representation, but they tend to die at the hands of overly-ambitious leaders and slothful citizens.
Anarchy: The realization that if men aren't fit enough to rule themselves, they aren't fit enough to rule others. The only good society is a stateless one.
Totalitarianism: The use of ideology to control a populace to service the State. We find the notion abhorrent.
Capitalism: The war of the few against the many.
Communism: The war of the many against the few.
Socialism: Proof that no matter how well intentioned a system may be, it's only ever as good as the people who participate in it. It works best when organized from the bottom up by those who have some stake in the system's success. We have no respect for welfare states, or generational dependency. Indeed, if you are not willing to fight for a dignified living, to organize to secure that living, and to earn your living so long as you are capable, then there is no place for you in our society.
Fascism: Totalitarianism with a dress code.
Monarchy: A good king can be a fine institution, a bad one is a leech on a society. The trouble is that you're never really guaranteed what you might get. We are not opposed to any political or economic system and do not wage wars of ideology as far as how other peoples choose to live and whom they choose to obey, but we believe in individual liberty and cooperation. Strong leadership is detrimental to individual liberty and it is our opinion that only weak and disjointed people need leaders at all.
Abortion: Morally questionable, but outside the purview of government.
Alcohol: Legalize.
Drugs: Legalize.
Homosexuality: A lot of fun, if you do it right.
Death Penalty: The State derives it's power from the citizenry. Without them, the State is nothing. Therefore, the State has no right to kill a citizen, though we believe a citizen has a right to kill in self-defense.
Militaries: Everyone has a right to defend themselves, but we prefer well-organized and heavily armed militia to a professional military.
Gun Control: "Using both hands." Likewise as above, only to say that the government ought not have the monopoly on force. We should.
Religion: To be freely practiced as individually deemed fit. Governments are like children: they can be seen in church, but it's not their place to opine on the virtues of one religion over another, or question an article of faith.
Slavery: We are against slavery, as it dehumanizes the individual and we believe no one is the property of another.
Expansionism: We are not an expansionist nation, nor do we seek to be.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Never heard of them, but they seem like nice chaps.
Racial Superiority: Racism is the result of a lack of imagination in the bedroom.
The Environment: The source of all our wealth and livelihood. As it is a common resource, it is incumbent on decent societies to protect it. Everyone has a right to make a profit and earn a living, but not at the expense of the ecology on which we all rely. You do not have a right to pollute my air for your profit. You do not have a right to foul my water for your ends. Our fates are inextricably linked to the well-being of the ecology of this planet. Therefore, an assault on the environment is an injury to us all. On this, we are prepared to fight, though we do not hold guilty those who are simply seeking to eek a living, but those who profit and consume heedless of the peril in which they place us all.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: Simply put: to live as one individually sees fit, to fully exercise free will while maintaining a legal, political, or social order to insure that the rights of an individual do not transgress against the rights of others. Your rights stop at the other's nose, but, beyond that, we strive for total liberty.
Universal Human Rights: Yes, everyone who is human ought to have the same rights and the responsibilities that come with them.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Do what you wanna, so long as it's consensual and your actions don't harm another human being or infringe upon them.
Universal Individual Freedom: Yes, as with human rights, everyone
SCIENCE!: You can't understand the universe without asking questions. Science is a lot of fun, but it is to be treated with respect.
Education: The most important thing a society can do for it's future generations and an opportunity to make, not just human resources, but real, free-thinking human beings who can insure that society is vital, dynamic, and incorruptible indefinitely.
Industry: The third leg of prosperity, along with peace and freedom, but immediate wealth should never come at the expense of long-term ecological damage. We understand primary capital as being labor, knowledge, and environment. To prosper, you need skilled hands, an understanding of what you're doing and what need to be done to achieve your goals, and you need a sustainable ecological to provide both life-support, quality of living, and raw material. We value labor, enterprise, and effort, but we don't kill our golden geese with extractive, polluting, or destructive practices. Rather, we aim for a stable-state of prosperity.


Nature-worshipping Communist scum, willfully shackling their own well-being to an absurd albatross of an environmental policy.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian DIplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity


Hell yeah! We put the come in communism!

Anyway, you forgot "anarcho-hippie gun-toting sex-crazed heathens". Good thing our foreign policy is simple: If you're not pissing someone off, you're doing it wrong!

Fun game. Holler if you ever want to do some kind of diplomatic meet-up RP or whatnot, this nation is my fourth or fifth incarnation on NS, so I've got a little experience. I work a lot, so I prefer a slow, low-key RP with lots and lots of dialogue and plot-line development. War RPs are fun, but I'm just not on often enough to keep a story flowing.

Merry Thankschristmachannaquanzaaeid, or whatever crazy party you have to hold to please whatever looney sky-man you choose to worship.

Now, I've got to go make and make my secret holiday cookies for a hedonistic feast to honor the golden cannabis cow I worship.

Cheers

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Neo-Sincostan
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Neo-Sincostan » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:11 am

The Steel Fraternity wrote:
Neo-Sincostan wrote:Full Nation Name:The Great Solidarity of Neo-Sincostan
Name:Neo-Sincostan
Stance On:
Republicanism:For, although feels it is slightly restricting.
Anarchy:For, although believes that some form of order needs to be maintained.
Totalitarianism:Depends if its benevolent or not, if so, no problem, if wrongly oppressive then strongly against.
Capitalism:Mostly against.
Communism:Mostly for, unless it becomes oppressive.
Socialism:For, if carried out correctly.
Fascism:Mostly against.
Monarchy:Mostly against, unless quite benevolent, or has good values.
Abortion:Choice of the individual.No problem with.
Alcohol:Choice of the individual.No problem with.
Drugs:Choice of the individual.Frowned upon.
Homosexuality:Choice of the individual.No problem with.
Death Penalty:For rape, molestation and unjustified murder,yes.
Militaries:For defensive purposes, strongly for.
Gun Control:Believes that firearms should mostly only be for military or hunting purposes.
Religion:Choice of the individual.No problem as long as its peaceful.
Slavery:Mostly against.
Expansionism:Mostly against, unless the other party is willing and the nation requires more land, resources.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity:They seem ok, but feels that our nation wouldn't be viewed as the same way.
Racial Superiority:Strongly against.
The Environment:Shouldn't be exploited wrongly for capitalist purposes, otherwise not really bothered.An individual may do as they please with it.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights:Rights are not naturally given gifts, they are a creation of humanity.
Universal Human Rights:Rights are not naturally given gifts, they are a creation of humanity.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms:Mostly complete freedom, government, another creation of humanity, should have no power over an individual.
Universal Individual Freedom:Mostly complete freedom, government, another creation of humanity, should have no power over an individual.
SCIENCE!:Strongly for.
Education:An individuals choice.Education is mostly seen as a way to integrate children into a capitalist lifestyle, but it does have many other benefits.
Industry:To greater benefit people and the nation, for.Not to be exploited for capitalist purposes.


Hippie-Communist tree-hugging ninnies. Should be easy enough to correct.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity


Despite the fact that one of our main aims to constantly expand our military, and we generally don't care if we ravage the environement? XD

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Sungai Pusat
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Postby Sungai Pusat » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:25 am

Neo-Sincostan wrote:
The Steel Fraternity wrote:
Hippie-Communist tree-hugging ninnies. Should be easy enough to correct.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity


Despite the fact that one of our main aims to constantly expand our military, and we generally don't care if we ravage the environement? XD

They'll critizise you more simple for being an anarchist nation, no matter how much anarchy has nothing to do with no order. XO
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Sagatagan
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Founded: Apr 25, 2010
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Postby Sagatagan » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:19 am

The Steel Fraternity wrote:
Sagatagan wrote:*snip*

Hold on. We're a radically democratic nation with a polycentric legal order in which people enjoy authentic self-ownership and relative economic autonomy without daily hierarchy, you're a compulsory consumer state run more or less as a corporate-military dictatorship.... and WE'RE oppressive?

rofl.


We are free. You are worthless Communists.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity


Ah, I see: You have no idea what leftism is. Never mind.
Confederation of participatory-democratic autonomous municipalities. Market socialist economy, some cantons practicing participatory economics. Environmentally sustainable economy. Enormous civil liberties. Nuclear-armed and missile defense equipped, to protect our autonomy.

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Novatero
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Founded: Nov 09, 2010
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Postby Novatero » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:29 am

Full Nation Name: The Sovereign Republic of Novatero
Name: Novatero

Stance On:
Republicanism: For
Anarchy: Against
Totalitarianism: Against
Capitalism: For
Communism: Against
Socialism: Neutral
Fascism: Against
Monarchy: Neutral
Abortion: Legal
Alcohol: Legal
Drugs: Marijuana is legal for recreational use, no other controversial drugs are
Homosexuality: Completely legal
Death Penalty: Used for only the most severe crimes
Militaries: A military is necessary for defending a nation, but should not be used for anything besides defense and should not be any larger than necessary
Gun Control: Civilians are allowed the use of some semi-automatic firearms. Police are allowed more powerful weaponry, but this is a privilege, not necessarily a right.
Religion: Religion is completely free, but is not allowed to influence the proposal or writing of laws.
Slavery: Illegal, not counting for forced labor as a legal punishment
Expansionism: Neutral
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Neutral, potentially an ally
Racial Superiority: Against
The Environment: We try to prevent harming the environment in anything we do, and we make efforts to help the environment every day.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: Every human being is born and created equal to each other. Each human being has the right to be safe, the right to the basic necessities of life, and the right to not be persecuted for their beliefs.
Universal Human Rights: Every human being has the right to have their opinions heard, the right to have a job, and the right to protect their freedoms.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Every human being has the right to do as they please with their body, the right to practice whatever religions or beliefs they follow, and to
Universal Individual Freedom: Every human being has the right to do as they please, provided they do not break laws or directly harm other people.
SCIENCE!: We seek to unravel the mysteries of the universe.
Education: Basic education is free for everyone, and we strive to keep our schools at the highest standards possible.
Industry: Though the government will interfere from time to time to keep large corporations from using unfair tactics, the government is entirely capitalist and the government tries to keep it that way.

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Neo-Sincostan
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Neo-Sincostan » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:03 pm

Sungai Pusat wrote:
Neo-Sincostan wrote:
Despite the fact that one of our main aims to constantly expand our military, and we generally don't care if we ravage the environement? XD

They'll critizise you more simple for being an anarchist nation, no matter how much anarchy has nothing to do with no order. XO


I thought as much XD

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Vandermire
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Postby Vandermire » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:06 pm

Full Nation Name:The Imperium of Man
Name:Vandermire

Stance On:
Republicanism:IC: Heresy OOC: That thin beige line between communism and oblivion
Anarchy: Not a luxury we can afford
Totalitarianism: IC: Nice and orderly OOC: Screw that!
Capitalism: The only logical economic system ever devised.
Communism:*arms nuke*
Socialism:See Above
Fascism:See two spaces above
Monarchy: Hmmm...depends
Abortion: How the hell do you expect to benefit from DECREASING your own numbers?
Alcohol:A-OK, but I personally don't drink much.
Drugs:That's your problem.
Homosexuality:...is a disease we need to cure.
Death Penalty:Depends on the crime. I'm not going to sentence you to death for littering.
Militaries: We need them, now more than ever.
Gun Control: How do you expect people to defend themselves with it?
Religion:IC: The Emperor Protects! OOC: Shouldn't be mandatory, but shouldn't be illegal either.
Slavery: No way.
Expansionism: All depends.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity:A-OK
Racial Superiority:That's a funny idea, unless you speak of how we are superior to the xenos scum.
The Environment:Neutral.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights:Define "rights." A man has no "right to life" if he's drowning in the Pacific. He can scream about it all he wants, but the sea won't obey him at all.
Universal Human Rights:See above.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms:Freedom is never free, and is almost always expensive.
Universal Individual Freedom:See above.
SCIENCE!:Necessary, and nothing wrong with it either.
Education:We need it.
Industry:The backbone of any and all good developed economies.
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The Steel Fraternity
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Founded: Jul 24, 2010
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:47 pm

Xarithis wrote:
The Steel Fraternity wrote:An oppressive communist dictatorship run by a power-mad, megalomaniacal tyrant. It must be destroyed.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

We are not communistic. As said, the "Right to Own Property" is one of the rights that the Emperor grants to the people, and we are currently in the process of transiting to a mixed system from an entirely planned system(If anything, we are getting more capitalistic).

And we do not understand your harsh view of the Emperor - care to explain why you feel as you do? We find the Emperor rather benevolent. He has always used his power to the benefit of the people.

We urge you to consider that we are completely apathetic toward how your nation is governed, and will not interfere with the runnings of your nation. We hope you would extend the same courtesy to us. But if wish to maintain your hostile stance, then so be it.


You state that you are willing to alter your economic system to fit your "current situation." This presupposes the power of the government over the resources of private citizens to such a degree that any and all private property may be taken and reallocated at the government's discretion. You are essentially a nation of State Communists who are willing to occassionally let some private citizens run things.

Your Emperor is an autocrat answerable to none. And of course you'd say he's benevolent; otherwise one expects you'd be off to the gulags or wherever it is Xarithian dissidents go to disappear.

Sungai Pusat wrote:
The Steel Fraternity wrote:*snip*

Sungai Pusat appears to be a lawless, leaderless land of chaos. While its stance on capitalism is admirable, its lack of law and order means it cannot in its current state become truly civilized, or properly protect the rights of its citizens.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

Oh no, not another one of you who truly think no leader or authority means chaos. Scew you, I'm going back.
-Some nosy citizen


You don't even have public law enforcement, according to your Factbook. The only piece of legislation your government ever managed to pass wasn't even really a law, but a general statement of rights.

You are, quite literally, a lawless nation.

--Brother Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

Genomita wrote:Everyone but him, that is. Seriously, where does that hate come from ? I know it's a flawed system, but that "kill it with fire" attitude is going a little overboard.


OOC: Not everyone. Just anyone who claims to be communist or socialist, or who practices government-run social welfare projects. And it's "they," not "him." Well, to be utterly pedantic, it is "him" since I'm the one posting, but since this forum is for, you know, IC roleplaying, all the posts are from the point of view of the Steel Fraternity.

Sagatagan wrote:Ah, I see: You have no idea what leftism is. Never mind.


OOC: Easy on the condescension there, sparky. IC dismissive generalization =/= OOC ignorance. Just because someone doesn't care about the distinction between one collectivist political stance and another doesn't mean they are unaware of it.

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The Steel Fraternity
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:52 pm

GSSR wrote:Full Nation Name:the Dictatorship of the Great Soviet Socialist Republic
Name:GSSR
Stance On:
Republicanism:support
Anarchy:idiotic
Totalitarianism:mildly support
Capitalism:support
Communism:oppose
Socialism:mildly support
Fascism:oppose
Monarchy:oppose
Alcohol:illegal
Drugs:illegal
Homosexuality:illegal
Death Penalty:used often
Militaries:most of the population
Gun Control:little
Religion:Protestant Christianity
Slavery:illegal
Expansionism:neutral
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity:neutral
Racial Superiority:oppose
The Environment:mildly support
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights:freedom
Universal Human Rights:value of life
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms:freedom of speech
Universal Individual Freedom:freedom of religion
SCIENCE!:support
Education:support
Industry:highly support


Aside from a foolish environmental policy and a disturbing amount of sympathy for Communism, the GSSR appears to be an otherwise decent, democratic, Capitalist nation.

That flag, though...

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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The Steel Fraternity
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:57 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:Full Nation Name:The United People's Democracy of Umbra Ac Silentium
Name:Umbra Ac Silentium
Stance On:
Republicanism: Good, but not as good as Direct Democracy
Anarchy: Good if it works
Totalitarianism: Very bad
Capitalism: We use it for the most part
Communism: Only good on paper
Socialism: we use it minorly,
Fascism: Bad
Monarchy: Bad
Abortion: Legal
Alcohol: Legal
Drugs: Legal
Homosexuality: Legality is not even in question, common, a part of society for very long
Death Penalty: Not allowed
Militaries: Ours is kept small and for defense
Gun Control: We have next to none
Religion: Legal but uncommon
Slavery: Banned
Expansionism: Bad
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: ?
Racial Superiority: Bad
The Environment: Meh
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: Free speech, freedom of or from religion, and freedom from torture
Universal Human Rights: See above
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: see above
Universal Individual Freedom: see above
SCIENCE!: We gladly use it
Education: Free
Industry: Regulated to an extent (not too much)


Umbra Ac Silentium appears to be a nation of mildly Communistic hippies. We certainly don't approve of their government by any stretch of the imagination ("contempt" would be a better word for our feelings), but it's not worth an invasion.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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Xarithis
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Postby Xarithis » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:59 pm

The Steel Fraternity wrote:You state that you are willing to alter your economic system to fit your "current situation." This presupposes the power of the government over the resources of private citizens to such a degree that any and all private property may be taken and reallocated at the government's discretion. You are essentially a nation of State Communists who are willing to occassionally let some private citizens run things.

Your Emperor is an autocrat answerable to none.

Fair enough.
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Until I stop procrastinating and write a Factbook, here are a few basic facts of Xarithis for reference:

Form of Government: Dictatorship
RP Population: 40,444,305
Economic System: Mixed, Leaning toward State Capitalism

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The Steel Fraternity
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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:03 pm

Terran Nor wrote:Full Nation Name: The Dictatorship of Terran Nor
Name: Terran Nor
Stance On:
Republicanism: Undesirable.
Anarchy: Undesirable.
Totalitarianism: It ultimately gets nation leaders killed in revolutions, at times understandable.
Capitalism: Against.
Communism: Desirable only in it's most collectivistic form.
Socialism: We have a proto-left-wing economy (everything is government controlled, so there are no deficits, since whatever money government creates ultimately and inevitably returns to the government), but we're NOT Socialists.
Fascism: Illegal.
Monarchy: We've executed our monarchs a decade ago.
Abortion: Legal.
Alcohol: Legal, except for the excessive drinking.
Drugs: Illegal.
Homosexuality: Illegal.
Death Penalty: Besides life-time labor camp, the only sentence.
Militaries: Desirable, we have A LOT of army here, everybody from 12 year olds to 35 year olds are sometimes conscripted for no reason.
Gun Control: Strict, no one except police or military can own one.
Religion: We're secular.
Slavery: Illegal.
Expansionism: Acceptable at times.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Neutral.
Racial Superiority: Ridiculous idea.
The Environment: Pleasantly good environment is desirable (however low priority).
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: They are irrelevant. State above all.
Universal Human Rights: Look at above.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Freedom is irrelevant. State above all.
Universal Individual Freedom: Look at above.
SCIENCE!: Superb, currently researching cloning for military purposes. Science is desirable.
Education: Good enough educational system is desirable.
Industry: Industry is desirable and superb here.


The logical end result of Communism, at least before the government gets toppled and the whole thing goes back to the drawing board. It must, of course, be destroyed, preferrably with atomic weapons.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:12 pm

Nydelin wrote:The Holy Empire of Nydelin also only responds to these unfashionably late, so it works.

Full Nation Name: The Holy Empire of Nydelin
Name: Nydelin
Stance On:
Republicanism: Neutral. Not desired for the Holy Empire, however.
Anarchy: Strongly against.
Totalitarianism: The easiest way to keep control.
Capitalism: Strongly against.
Communism: Potential allies.
Socialism: Good ideals, just needs control more firmly seated.
Fascism: An effective system. Useful allies.
Monarchy: Good with a good monarch. Otherwise, a waste of time.
Abortion: Against. The Holy Empire needs more soldiers--and taxes.
Alcohol: Available, but frowned upon by Her Holiness.
Drugs: Harsh penalties to any caught.
Homosexuality: Taboo subject, frowned on publicly but there are rumors in upper echelons...
Death Penalty: Common penalty for even moderately severe crimes.
Militaries: Mandatory service. Only chance most peasants have for a better life than a field or factory.
Gun Control: Her Holiness has the guns, so she has the control.
Religion: There is only one option. Taught in schools from an early age, deviation is looking for trouble at best.
Slavery: Illegal, though the indentured servitude of the citizenry borders upon it.
Expansionism: To spread Her Will, it must be done.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: The Steel Fraternity has many tenets that Her Holiness agrees with, but is worried that their rapid destruction of their own lands and too much personal freedoms could lead to problems.
Racial Superiority: Anyone from the Holy Empire is superior...besides that, their color is irrelevant.
The Environment: A careful balance must be struck between resources and nature. Protect enough to keep healthy and lush, use enough to meet your needs.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: The right to follow whatever Her Holiness decrees. Liking it helps.
Universal Human Rights: Loving it works even better.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Not expecting any is a good start. You might be pleasantly surprised occasionally that way.
Universal Individual Freedom: ----
SCIENCE!: Build it bigger, build it stronger, and then use it to crush things.
Education: Heavily focused on religious indoctrination, save for the higher education which is usually reserved for military officers and clergy.
Industry: Her Holiness owns everything. Even houses are technically "on loan" from her, though it's rare for anyone to lose their house unless they commit treason.


A Communist dictatorship calling itself a monarchy, led by a self-righteous, hypocritical tyrant. Anti-democratic in the extreme, and horrendously oppressive.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:16 pm

Novatero wrote:Full Nation Name: The Sovereign Republic of Novatero
Name: Novatero
Stance On:
Republicanism: For
Anarchy: Against
Totalitarianism: Against
Capitalism: For
Communism: Against
Socialism: Neutral
Fascism: Against
Monarchy: Neutral
Abortion: Legal
Alcohol: Legal
Drugs: Marijuana is legal for recreational use, no other controversial drugs are
Homosexuality: Completely legal
Death Penalty: Used for only the most severe crimes
Militaries: A military is necessary for defending a nation, but should not be used for anything besides defense and should not be any larger than necessary
Gun Control: Civilians are allowed the use of some semi-automatic firearms. Police are allowed more powerful weaponry, but this is a privilege, not necessarily a right.
Religion: Religion is completely free, but is not allowed to influence the proposal or writing of laws.
Slavery: Illegal, not counting for forced labor as a legal punishment
Expansionism: Neutral
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Neutral, potentially an ally
Racial Superiority: Against
The Environment: We try to prevent harming the environment in anything we do, and we make efforts to help the environment every day.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: Every human being is born and created equal to each other. Each human being has the right to be safe, the right to the basic necessities of life, and the right to not be persecuted for their beliefs.
Universal Human Rights: Every human being has the right to have their opinions heard, the right to have a job, and the right to protect their freedoms.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: Every human being has the right to do as they please with their body, the right to practice whatever religions or beliefs they follow, and to
Universal Individual Freedom: Every human being has the right to do as they please, provided they do not break laws or directly harm other people.
SCIENCE!: We seek to unravel the mysteries of the universe.
Education: Basic education is free for everyone, and we strive to keep our schools at the highest standards possible.
Industry: Though the government will interfere from time to time to keep large corporations from using unfair tactics, the government is entirely capitalist and the government tries to keep it that way.


Tree-hugging, pot-headed hippies with entirely too much sympathy for Communists, but otherwise all right.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:19 pm

Vandermire wrote:Full Nation Name:The Imperium of Man
Name:Vandermire
Stance On:
Republicanism:IC: Heresy OOC: That thin beige line between communism and oblivion
Anarchy: Not a luxury we can afford
Totalitarianism: IC: Nice and orderly OOC: Screw that!
Capitalism: The only logical economic system ever devised.
Communism:*arms nuke*
Socialism:See Above
Fascism:See two spaces above
Monarchy: Hmmm...depends
Abortion: How the hell do you expect to benefit from DECREASING your own numbers?
Alcohol:A-OK, but I personally don't drink much.
Drugs:That's your problem.
Homosexuality:...is a disease we need to cure.
Death Penalty:Depends on the crime. I'm not going to sentence you to death for littering.
Militaries: We need them, now more than ever.
Gun Control: How do you expect people to defend themselves with it?
Religion:IC: The Emperor Protects! OOC: Shouldn't be mandatory, but shouldn't be illegal either.
Slavery: No way.
Expansionism: All depends.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity:A-OK
Racial Superiority:That's a funny idea, unless you speak of how we are superior to the xenos scum.
The Environment:Neutral.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights:Define "rights." A man has no "right to life" if he's drowning in the Pacific. He can scream about it all he wants, but the sea won't obey him at all.
Universal Human Rights:See above.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms:Freedom is never free, and is almost always expensive.
Universal Individual Freedom:See above.
SCIENCE!:Necessary, and nothing wrong with it either.
Education:We need it.
Industry:The backbone of any and all good developed economies.


A horribly oppressive, anti-democratic nation. But we always support the killing of Elfy bastards, in space or on Earth.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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Postby Nydelin » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:29 pm

The Steel Fraternity wrote:
Nydelin wrote:A Communist dictatorship calling itself a monarchy, led by a self-righteous, hypocritical tyrant. Anti-democratic in the extreme, and horrendously oppressive.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity


Those are some of the better points of the nation :)

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Postby Final Steel » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:55 pm

Full Nation Name: The Empire of Final Steel
Name: Steel

Stance On:
[b]Republicanism: Bad
[b]Anarchy: Hurts the economy
[b]Totalitarianism: We are one
[b]Capitalism: Good
[b]Communism: Hate it
[b]Socialism: Good
[b]Fascism: Good
[b]Monarchy: Thats us
[b]Abortion: Depends on the situation
[b]Alcohol: Only for the upper class
[b]Drugs: If it interferes with the persons work, they get executed
[b]Homosexuality: We dont really care about it
[b]Death Penalty: Liberal Practise
[b]Militaries:Much needed
[b]Gun Control: Only the military may have guns
[b]Religion: Who needs it
[b]Slavery: We dont practise it
[b]Expansionism: We do this, liberally
[b]The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Havent had contact with either of them
[b]Racial Superiority: Bad
[b]The Environment: Its pretty, but if it gets in the way of progress, bring out the chainsaws
[b]What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: Medical Care, Proper Food
[b]Universal Human Rights: If their enemies of the states, the haven none
[b]What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: What the emperor decides
[b]Universal Individual Freedom: Only the emperor has any freedom
[b]SCIENCE!: We all need science
[b]Education: Evrybody must have a basic education, or they will be executed
[b]Industry: We like that

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Postby Fjeld » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:50 am

Full Nation Name: United Communes of Fjeld
Name: Fjeld

Stance On:
Republicanism: If by this you mean a bourgeoise democracy then it is better than feudalism, but not democratic enough.
Anarchy: A desirable goal for Mankind.
Totalitarianism: Evil, preventing people from living and thinking how they like is wrong.
Capitalism: Better than feudalism but still exploitative.
Communism:
-If you mean the stateless society after Socialism, good. See anarchy.
-If you mean Marxism: An ideology with some good points. Can overthrow despots.
-If you mean Stalinism: Kill it with FIRE! A degenerate workers state ruled by bureaucrats is a blemish on the face of the earth.
Socialism: Improving the lot of the working classes is an important part of progress.
Fascism: Based on laughable theories about "national spirit" and corporatism. Far too prone to croneyism. See also totalitarianism.
Monarchy: Must be abolished. Not so bad when the king has a merely symbolic status.
Abortion: Legal up to 12 weeks, 16 weeks if there are health issues.
Alcohol: Legal from 15 and up, a bit of a problem really.
Drugs: Legal but unpopular, alcohol is much more popular.
Homosexuality: Any safe, consensual sex is legal.
Death Penalty: Is too absolute. Cannot be reversed if the defendant is found guilty post-execution. Does not allow for rehabilitation. A tool of oppression used by despots.
Militaries: Should be small, voluntary and professional.
Gun Control: Legal after taking a course in gun safety. Not thought of as a self-defence device, but rather a device for hunting and sport.
Religion: Is a private matter and should not have any influence on government.
Slavery: Evil, the reason we long for a stateless, classless society.
Expansionism: Imperialism and colonialism is the death throes of capitalism. Exploitation on a large scale.
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: A dictatorship of the wealthy. We vote NAY.
Racial Superiority: A ridiculous doctrine. There is nothing separating mankind beyond class.
The Environment: Should be protected with the aim of aiding future generations.
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: All humans are entitled to nourishment and shelter. All humans have the right to speak their mind in politics and in private. Property is theft if you do not take possession. For example, if you live in a house some stranger can't just come and set fire to it. If you own a summer villa and do not use it other people have the right to live in it.
Universal Human Rights: See above.
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: To do as you please as long as it does not hurt society. To not fear repression based on what you speak or think.
Universal Individual Freedom: See above.
SCIENCE!: Love it. Labour-saving devices increases productivity and allows people more time to engage in politics, art and more science. Better medicine lets people live long, prosperous lives and "soft" sciences improve our understanding of humanity itself.
Education: Important. A well-educated people is a people better suited for democracy and progress.
Industry: Increases productivity and prosperity. Should be owned collectively by those who work the machines.
Fjeld World factbook

Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62


Sosialisme er frigjøring.

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Postby The Steel Fraternity » Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:23 am

Final Steel wrote:Full Nation Name: The Empire of Final Steel
Name: Steel
Stance On:
[b]Republicanism: Bad
[b]Anarchy: Hurts the economy
[b]Totalitarianism: We are one
[b]Capitalism: Good
[b]Communism: Hate it
[b]Socialism: Good
[b]Fascism: Good
[b]Monarchy: Thats us
[b]Abortion: Depends on the situation
[b]Alcohol: Only for the upper class
[b]Drugs: If it interferes with the persons work, they get executed
[b]Homosexuality: We dont really care about it
[b]Death Penalty: Liberal Practise
[b]Militaries:Much needed
[b]Gun Control: Only the military may have guns
[b]Religion: Who needs it
[b]Slavery: We dont practise it
[b]Expansionism: We do this, liberally
[b]The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity: Havent had contact with either of them
[b]Racial Superiority: Bad
[b]The Environment: Its pretty, but if it gets in the way of progress, bring out the chainsaws
[b]What Constitutes Basic Human Rights: Medical Care, Proper Food
[b]Universal Human Rights: If their enemies of the states, the haven none
[b]What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms: What the emperor decides
[b]Universal Individual Freedom: Only the emperor has any freedom
[b]SCIENCE!: We all need science
[b]Education: Evrybody must have a basic education, or they will be executed
[b]Industry: We like that


An execution-happy Communist dictatorship.

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity

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Postby GSSR » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:34 pm

The Steel Fraternity wrote:
GSSR wrote:Full Nation Name:the Dictatorship of the Great Soviet Socialist Republic
Name:GSSR
Stance On:
Republicanism:support
Anarchy:idiotic
Totalitarianism:mildly support
Capitalism:support
Communism:oppose
Socialism:mildly support
Fascism:oppose
Monarchy:oppose
Alcohol:illegal
Drugs:illegal
Homosexuality:illegal
Death Penalty:used often
Militaries:most of the population
Gun Control:little

I wrote oppose to communism....
Religion:Protestant Christianity
Slavery:illegal
Expansionism:neutral
The Skorzenian Empire and the Steel Fraternity:neutral
Racial Superiority:oppose
The Environment:mildly support
What Constitutes Basic Human Rights:freedom
Universal Human Rights:value of life
What Constitutes Basic Individual Freedoms:freedom of speech
Universal Individual Freedom:freedom of religion
SCIENCE!:support
Education:support
Industry:highly support


Aside from a foolish environmental policy and a disturbing amount of sympathy for Communism, the GSSR appears to be an otherwise decent, democratic, Capitalist nation.

That flag, though...

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity


I oppose communism...
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Postby UASCS » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:09 am

GSSR wrote:
The Steel Fraternity wrote:
Aside from a foolish environmental policy and a disturbing amount of sympathy for Communism, the GSSR appears to be an otherwise decent, democratic, Capitalist nation.

That flag, though...

--Brother-Scholastic Zachary Lee, Head of the Imperial Skorzenian Diplomatic Corp and Elder of the Steel Fraternity


I oppose communism...


but the hammer and sickle is on your flag..
A future version version of Union of Japan, China and Korea mixed with meritocracy of Singapore, Socialist Law of USSR, technology of Japan.
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Postby GSSR » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:54 pm

UASCS wrote:
GSSR wrote:
I oppose communism...


but the hammer and sickle is on your flag..

Thats just because we found a warehouse full of em and said, "Hey guys wouldnt it be cheaper to just use this flag instead of spending taxpayer money on a custom one?"
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