What LAND Doctrine does your Nation Follow Militarily???????

[Tsghut]

The equipment and weapons of all of our nations are varied and it would be impossible to list all of it, but what is your prevailing though on Land Doctrine in the Military.

*Below is basically a tree of military doctrines endorsed by West-Point, first written by Erich von Manstein, and used in Paradox's HOI2*

>>>Mobility Focus

>>>>>>Human Wave
Mechanized Wave
>>>>>>Point of Focus *Schwerpunkt*
Blitzkrieg
Kampfgruppen

>>>Firepower Focus

>>>>>>Super Firepower
Coordinated Regimental Combat / Individual Initative
Coordinated Firepower

>>>>>>Mass Assault * really a fusion between mobility and firepower, but due to the lingepin of this has historically been artillery and support movements it was classified under firepower*
Attritional Containment / Double Envelopment
Operational Stages
Infiltration in Depth
Specialized Enviormental Combat and Support



Basically here is the basics of Military Doctrine described in each

Mobility Focus---

Human Wave and later Mechanized Wave: The belief that masses of Infantry , usually poorly equipped or minimally equipped. It is favored by nations that are either incredibly desperate and often have masses of reserves in manpower and material. Later on more industrialized nations of this sort switched to Mechanized Wave tactics.The best example of this would be the Soviet Union for evolution from Human wave to Mechanized Wave and Nationalist China and their war against the Japanese before exile in Taiwan for pure Human Wave.

Schwerpunkt: The belief or military theory that you use small fast, often mobile or specialized units, to punch small holes in enemy lines and exploit them by sending rapidly moving units through the gap to take rear supply areas. This traditionaly evolves into Blitzkrieg.

Blitzkrieg: Pretty much the same as Schwerpunkt, the only variation is that Blitzkrieg is designed as a mostly offensive doctrine with elastic defense as a defensive measure

Vokstrum / Kampfgruppen : Pretty much the "backup" of Blitzkrieg. In the event that Blitzkrieg itself is no longer a viable option due to military or large strategic situations it is basically an elaborate defensive array with mobility stressed but not breakthrough as blitzkrieg.

Schwerpunkt, Vokstrum / Kampfgruppen, and obviously Blitzkrieg are all associated with the 3rd German Reich in World War II

Firepower Focus---

Super Firepower: The stressing of mostly static deffense and large scale offensive movements. The movements may or not be mechanized but the predominant feature is the use of Firepower over mobility.

Coordinated Regimental Combat / Individual Initiatve : The theroy that you give individual units as much flexibility as possible while asuring that they don't stray off too far while giving them as much firepower as each individual unit. THis is often seen with assigning much smaller troop groups *regiments usually* to objectives which are then left up to initiative to complete.

Coordinated Firepower : The belief that large scale support, be it artillery , air, or armor, can be used as a supplement en mass while predominantly non-motorized units use that support to advance.

Firepower Focus under Super Firepower is used by most modern militaries suprisingly for the event of a large scale war *PLEASE DO NOT COMPARE THIS TO IRAQ, THIS IS ALL ASSUMING A LARGE SCALE CONVENTINAL WAR, COUNTERINSURGENCY IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT*

The United States of America can best be described as using Coordinated Regimental Combat / Individual Initiatve Doctrines
Other nations in Europe such as France during WW2 and even today *see Algeria and First Indochinese War*

Mass Assault : The belief that a coordinate well rounded attack, though often slow in movement but still stressing movement, combinded with support, is the way to go!

Attritional Containment / Double Envelopment : Basically the use of movement screened by artillery support and other means of support to encircle small groups of units using large scale movements and defeating in detail along 2 axis' of advance.

Operational Stages : The use of support with many smaller but more quantible axis' of advance. This often relies on a large manpower pool and can be described as "baby blitzkrieg" Think a blitzkrieg that is slower but with more support and firepower.

Infaltration in Depth and later Specialized Enviormental Combat and Support : Basically used for things such as night attacks or jungle combat or alpine combat. The belief is you use small units to probe the lines of your enemy and you use specialized training to exploit and open up a gap with large scale support from artillery that is really required.

Attritional Containment was historically used by many smaller nations not so adept or ready for military combat, such as Hungary or Norway during WWII
Operational Stages , despite best being used with a large manpower pool *as theroized by Manstein* as never actually used by a large power , it has only been tryed by the Itallian Army during WWII and the Spanish Fascist ARmy *though they only engaged in counterinsurgency activities in Equatroial Africa and Rio De Oro* pre 1975.
Infaltration in Depth was most famously used by the Imperial Japanese Army in World War II and the German Reichshwer in World War I

NOW MOST IMPORTANTLY : READ THIS

I realize, and so did the writers and theorists of this system realize, that it is not perfect. Amost every nation sticks to 1 of these MAINLY but takes other bits here and there and uses that to their advantage.

I have decided I want to create a list, which I will put in the next post.

Here is the format I would like you to put in your post if you want to be included.

Example :

Country : Tsghut
Doctrine : Firepower Focus >>> Mass Assult >>> Infaltration in Depth. *Emphasis on (either offense or defense)

Thank you for your time. I figure this thread can be a lujidiment discussion point for the Nationstates Military and spark some pleasent conversations.

[Tsghut]

List of Nations and their Doctrines :

Tsghut :
Firepower Focus >>> Super Firepower >>> Coordinated Firepower *Emphasis on Defense*

[Greater Americania]

That list of doctrines reminds me of Hearts of Iron 2.

[Tsghut]

Sources :
*Don't bitch about Wikipedia being a unreliable source, go to the bottom and click those links there if you want confrimation*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerpunkt#Schwerpunkt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzkrieg

*Keep in mind they are in the same article because Schwerpunkt was the predecessor to Blitzkrieg*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_power

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achtung_-_Panzer!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae *classic example of double envelopment*

[Tsghut]

That list of doctrines reminds me of Hearts of Iron 2.

Yes, because Paradox likes to read.

It has also been included *though renamed* in SIns of a Sollar Empire

[Tsghut]

Bump

[L3 Communications]

Are we supposed to choose from that list or something?

If not, I'm just going to say AirLand Battle.

If so, something like this:

L3 Communications

Doctrine: Coordinated Regimental Combat/Individual Initiatve>>>Blitzkrieg>>>Specialized Enviormental Combat and Support *Emphasis on offense

[Maurepas]

We generally employ Guerrilla style Warfare...the many Swamps, woodlands and waterways that our land possesses generally lends itself well to that effect...

[Volzgrad]

OOC: Well, let me say that I'm probably the only MT nation to still use trench-warfare; and that fact is even more strange because it still works. I use trench and defensive warfare even in foreign territory, though it works best in Volzgrad taking into consideration our many mountains and natural defensive locations.

I'm not very familiar with the HOI method of doctrine research, so I'll describe my doctrine in a slightly different manner. I'll explain and analyze every stage that goes into an average combat operation done by the Volzgradien Imperial Army.

IC:

Stage 1: Opening Moves

- Designated area for combat operations is heavily reconned by a mixture of satellites, aerial recon aircraft, and ground personnel.
- Quick moving mechanized infantry and Imperial Engineers analyze the local terrain and designate the most effective area in which to construct and mount a defensive operation.
- Imperial infantry and engineers are brought in as reinforcements to serve the dual role of constructing trench lines, bunkers, and artillery/AA emplacements while simultaneously engaging the enemy in (limited) combat.

Stage 2: The Defense
- Armoured and Heavy Artillery reinforcements are sent in substantial numbers.
- Newly finished defenses are immediately manned by Imperial infantry and engineers. Construction continues on more complex defensive positions and rear-trenches.
- Heavy artillery and aerial bombardment begins on identified enemy positions and strongholds. Shells fired are a mixture of high-explosive and incendiary.
- Any enemy ground assaults are repelled through massive artillery bombardments and stalwart defense by dug-in infantry and armour units. Aerial assaults are dealt with by Imperial Aircraft or AA emplacements.
- Rearguard units maintain constant vigil for enemy infiltrators, saboteurs, or a flank attack.

Stage 3: The Breakthrough
- Heavy Armour and Grenadier units are brought to the front in anticipation of the coming assault.
- Reconnaissance by satellite and aircraft is used to identify enemy strongpoints or major troops concentrations.
- Preliminary bombardment of a mixture of High Explosive and Incendiary shells begins on designated target.
- Engineer and Grenadier units advance alongside armour support to assault and eliminate vital enemy locations.
- Bombardment changed to chemical shells, then high explosive shells as major ground assault begins.
- Infantry and Armour advance under a creeping barrage and chemical cover.
- Any breakthroughs are exploited by mechanized infantry and light armour units.

Stage 4: The Mop-Up
- Rearguard units advance in the wake of the successful assault to eliminate any enemy stragglers and locate any prisoners.
- Fortifications are left intact and manned by militia or local levies to act as possible regroup points.

[Conserative Morality]

High Tech, small squads, no real offensive strategy, focuses on Urban Combat, fighting for every house, pile of rubble, and/or landmark they can, high enemy casualties, high infrastructure damage, air cover limited to keeping bombers and multi-role aircraft off the Infantry's back, Ground forces focus mostly on Infantry and APCs for rapid movement and deployment, limited artillery.

[Rasoana]

My forces depend on soldiers of about 20 each fighting whereever needed. We deploy helicopters for hit and run offense before the initial attack to take as many cassualties as possible before our ground troops move in.

I dont know what that is categorized as but there it is.

[Greater Americania]

The Greater Americanian Military operates strictly off of the leader principle. The Military is heavily organized and relies on a strict command structure. The doctrines used by the Army differs on the individual campaign. In wars against a conventional army that uses firepower focus strategies, the Greater Americanian Army will use more centralized methods of leadership to launch major offensives upon the enemy.

Against an army that uses mobility strategies, more power is vested in the smaller units so they can react more efficiently to the quickly moving enemy in defensive and offensive manuevers. However, in all campaigns the coordination of the army and the air force are essentially emphasized in military doctrines. The Navy is left for the purposes of shore defenses, blockades, and the maintainence of overseas supply chains.

[Kim Jong-ilia]

Human/Mechanised Wave >>> Schwerpunkt >>> Blitzkrieg. *Emphasis on offense.

Our main military doctrine is as follows: First severely weaken the enemy by inflicting heavy damage to their frontline forces, then break a hole in through their defences that make up those frontlines, then infiltrate that gap and attack the enemy forces from behind, then launch another mass attack and finish off what remains.

[The PeoplesFreedom]

Original , taking a list from a game.

[Tsghut]

Original , taking a list from a game.

yes, because its not like the game took it from real life books or anything, or that westpoint doesn't teach it in their curriculum of outlying basic military strategy complexes both present and past?

Go away Troll.

[Swilatia]

Swilatia has no army. I don't think anything else need to be said about us here.

[Orwelliad]

For a tyrannical psycotic regime like mine, where Humans are resources? of course its Mobility Focus, and mass assaults, be mindfull that coordinated massed assaults by a slow force may work, like in WW1 in 1918 when the Brits started winning by advancing on one sector, then when stoped, they would start on another.

Country : Orwelliad
Doctrine : Mobility Focus/Human Wave and later Mechanized Wave

Some units may use other tactics, for example Stormtroopers.

Im not very good in the military field, so if i made or make any mistake, please be cool about it.

[Ledarre]

Ledarre :
Mobility Focus >>> Human wave >>> Blitzkrieg *Emphasis on Offence*

[Void Templar]

VT tries to avoid open land combat as much as possible, as its not very good at it. When pressed into open field combat, it will use a series of Schwerpunkt strikes, coordinating with airpower to break up the enemy. If given the chance, they'll fortifty their position with a trench and minefield system, especially if near the coast where their navy can provide fire and close air support.

[Bears Armed]

Where are the defensive options?

[Sorgan]

We fight Puerto Ricoian/Dominican republic style we have no military. It's better to talk it out then fight it out. But when under attack we us U.K/Ireland style of fighting.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Original , taking a list from a game.

yes, because its not like the game took it from real life books or anything, or that westpoint doesn't teach it in their curriculum of outlying basic military strategy complexes both present and past?

Go away Troll.

It doesn't, and West Point doesn't teach what you posted.

What you posted is a series of rehashing the same idea (Maneuver warfare) under different names with different ways of doing it, they are all the exact same doctrine. That is, all but the parts of it which are Maneuver Warfare in full, but rather essential elements to it pretending to be actual doctrine. You're just repeating yourself and dictating a very Euro-centric look on warfare, as this is literally Blitzkrieg in its three elements. You might as well be asking people what flavor of ice cream they like more, chocolate, chocolat, or schokolade, which incase you didn't know, are just chocolate in English, French and German.

[Fatatatutti]

Where are the defensive options?

That's what I'm wondering. And our first line of defense is a thousand miles of ocean.

[Augarundus]

1) Defensive camps and trenches built around target.
2) Wide-spread artillery fire for several days.
3) Bombings (concurrent with 2) for several days.
4) Concentrated Artillery fire on specific targets.
5) Assassinations and terrorist tactics.
6) Elite infantry attacks in hardpoints.
7) Tank-infantry mass charge into the target.

[Greater Americania]

We fight Puerto Ricoian/Dominican republic style we have no military. It's better to talk it out then fight it out. But when under attack we us U.K/Ireland style of fighting.

You fight UK/Irish style with what? You have no Army.