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Your Opinion on Age Restrictions in Faragaia

Postby Faragaia » Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:30 am

What is your opinion on the Age Restrictions for Alcohol, Tobacco, and Legal Drugs in Faragaia?

Historical background on the minimum legal ages:

The first drinking age laws were made in 1811 with the Normune Restrictions Act, which set a minimum age of 21 years for entering a Pub or Bar, which is referred to in the legal literature as a "Normune". Later, in 1916, this age restriction of 21 years was extended to the purchase and consumption of alcohol in all contexts to combat alcohol abuse and youth drinking.

In addition, a law known as Matthias Law was introduced in 1915, which limited the sale of alcohol only to Liquor Stores. A store that sold alcohol could only sell alcohol. This was done to stop grocery stores and gas stations doubling as liquor stores and to make the age restriction of 21 years easier to enforce.

Tobacco wasn't subjected at all to an age restriction until 1998, when a minimum age of 18 was set. Over time, the anti-smoking movement has gained an increasing following. In 2020, the availability of tobacco was greatly restricted and the minimum age for purchase and consumption was increased to 21.

In 2018, some softer drugs were legalised for recreational use for those aged 18 and older. In 2022, the legal age was increased to 21 and prices doubled to discourage use. At the same time, harder drugs such as Heroin were also legalised for recreational use, but again only for those aged 21 or older.

So currently the age restrictions for alcohol, tobacco and recreational drugs are all set at 21 years. This has caused some controversy.

Firstly, the age of majority in Faragaia is 16 years. This is when a person may become independent from their parents, sign contracts, and even own land property.

Also, enforcement of the aforementioned age restrictions has been problematic against 18-20 year olds in many cases, and some argue that it leads to disrespect for all laws. Some local authorities have even declared the 21 drinking age to be "unenforceable" and have essentially stopped enforcing the law in most cases.

Some have therefore argued that the aforementioned age restrictions should be reduced to 18. It is argued this is a good compromise, would be more reasonable and civilised and easier to enforce. Others even argue that the government has no business setting such age restrictions at all.

On the other hand, many have argued that a person is not mature enough to handle alcohol and other powerful intoxicants until the age of 21. A person is usually still in high school when they are 18 and sometimes 19. There is concern that lower age restrictions would make it easier for youth under the age of 18 to access the aforementioned substances and would encourage more to start using at earlier ages.

One is also not a full adult until age 21 in some legal regards. For example, a member of the royal family obtains full duties at age 21. This is referred to as the "Age of Knighthood". A member of the royal family who is under the age of 21 and therefore considered too young to perform royal duties is referred to as a "Squire".

See the Factbook for a full list of age requirements in Faragaia:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1733439

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[b]How should we set the age restrictions in each case? Should they even all be the same or be different for different substances? Or should the substance even be legal at all? Give your reasons if you think it's important.[/b]

Alcohol:
Tobacco:
"Softer" Legal Drugs, such as Cannabis:
"Harder" Legal Drugs, such as Heroin:

Reasons: (if you want)


Current age restrictions in Faragaia:

Alcohol: 21
Tobacco: 21
"Softer" Legal Drugs, such as Cannabis: 21
"Harder" Legal Drugs, such as Heroin: 21
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Postby Rhodevus » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:08 am

How should we set the age restrictions in each case? Should they even all be the same or be different for different substances? Or should the substance even be legal at all? Give your reasons if you think it's important.
Ages based on the history described by Faragia
Alcohol: 21
Tobacco: 21
"Softer" Legal Drugs, such as Cannabis: 21
"Harder" Legal Drugs, such as Heroin: 21

Reasons: With the cultural addition of 'the Age of Knighthood', it is fair to consider that the adult should gain additional responsibilities at such an age, such as drinking alcohol, smoking tobacco products and legal drugs. It is a milestone age if nothing else. While enforcing the restriction of underage drinking may be considered unenforceable, it is often unenforceable, or very difficult to enforce in countries with lower ages as well. Putting a similar age limit to all products is also a fair way of handling things. So, while we in Rhodevus have a lower age of adulthood (set to 18), and thus have substance age laws set to a lower age than Faragia, it is a similar concept and reasoning.
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Postby Faragaia » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:17 am

Rhodevus wrote:How should we set the age restrictions in each case? Should they even all be the same or be different for different substances? Or should the substance even be legal at all? Give your reasons if you think it's important.
Ages based on the history described by Faragia
Alcohol: 21
Tobacco: 21
"Softer" Legal Drugs, such as Cannabis: 21
"Harder" Legal Drugs, such as Heroin: 21

Reasons: With the cultural addition of 'the Age of Knighthood', it is fair to consider that the adult should gain additional responsibilities at such an age, such as drinking alcohol, smoking tobacco products and legal drugs. It is a milestone age if nothing else. While enforcing the restriction of underage drinking may be considered unenforceable, it is often unenforceable, or very difficult to enforce in countries with lower ages as well. Putting a similar age limit to all products is also a fair way of handling things. So, while we in Rhodevus have a lower age of adulthood (set to 18), and thus have substance age laws set to a lower age than Faragia, it is a similar concept and reasoning.


Thanks for taking your time to give an opinion. Your effort is much appreciated.

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Postby Tangatarehua » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:59 pm

How should we set the age restrictions in each case? Should they even all be the same or be different for different substances? Or should the substance even be legal at all? Give your reasons if you think it's important.

It would anathema to the principles of the Empire of Tangatarehua to tell another sovereign nation what it should do domestically as we would lack the historical and cultural context necessary to make such a decision correctly.

But for comparison here are the legal settings in Tangatarehua:

Alcohol: 14 for 'soft' liquors such as beer and wine in a pub/bar
16 for 'soft' liquors such as beer and wine at a supermarket/liquor store
18 for 'hard' liquors such as spirits in a pub/bar or with supervision from an elder
21 for 'hard' liquors such as spirits at a supermarket/liquor store
Tobacco: The sale of tobacco is illegal in Tangatarehua
"Softer" Legal Drugs, such as Cannabis: 21
"Harder" Legal Drugs, such as Heroin: Harder drugs are illegal in Tangatarehua

Reasons: (if you want)

21 is considered the legal age of adulthood in Tangatarehua and traditionally as a coming-of-age ceremony, one would drink a glass of Waipiro Kumara (a traditional Rehuan spirit that's like a vodka made from sweet potatoes) on their 21st birthday. Full access to alcohol, cannabis and the right to vote are all granted at 21.

The government does accept however that teenagers have a right to have fun and considers there nothing wrong with allowing a 16 year old to have a few beers or wines on a Saturday night and purchase them legally while 14 year olds can drink soft liquor in pubs where they will be supervised. At 18 you may purchase spirits at a pub, or drink them under the supervision of a tribal elder/guardian/parent.

The consumption of tobacco is not illegal, but the sale is banned for health reasons so you won't ever find it in shops making laws on it irrelevant. Generally only foreigners consume tobacco and most of the time tobacco products don't make it past the border due to stringent biosecurity laws.

Cannabis, LSD and MDMA are all legal from the age of 21 but other harder drugs such as cocaine, methamphetamine and heroin are illegal.

Consuming hard drugs isn't a crime in Tangatarehua but if you are caught then you'll usually be sent to rehab by court order and sometimes made to pay a fine. You'll also be forced to aid police in explaining where you got the drugs from, lest you be prosecuted for supply.

Selling, smuggling or supplying hard drugs is a serious criminal offence and carries a prison sentence of 10-25 years.
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Postby Faragaia » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:56 pm

Thanks. We are currently drafting a law to lower the aforementioned age restrictions to 18 or 19.

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Postby Coconut Palm Island » Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:34 pm

How should we set the age restrictions in each case? Should they even all be the same or be different for different substances? Or should the substance even be legal at all? Give your reasons if you think it's important.

Alcohol: 16 (14 may enjoy very low-alcohol content drinks)
Tobacco: 16
"Softer" Legal Drugs, such as Cannabis: 16, except no limit for caffeine and 14 for cannabis
"Harder" Legal Drugs, such as Heroin: 16

Reasons: (if you want)

The King of Coconut Palm Island notes that, although some stronger drugs have a "recommended" minimum age (like 21 for heroin), a citizen in Coconut Palm Island is a citizen at 16, and should be allowed to take recommendations as, well, recommendations, and nothing more. Young citizens are not punished for underage purchase of a substance, but those who intentionally sell substances to underage persons face community service.

The King emphatically urges three things of any substance policy: 1) No person should be incarcerated for simple possession or use of a substance; 2) All substances should be available to any person of any age with a valid prescription; 3) The government should use a harm reduction campaign, including provision of free, safe, and pure drugs and paraphernalia, as well as education.
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Postby Faragaia » Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:00 am

Thanks again.

We have now suspended the drinking age law of 21 years and have provisionally imposed a drinking age of 18 pending negotiations.

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Postby The Kingdom of the Three Isles » Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:06 am

How should we set the age restrictions in each case? Should they even all be the same or be different for different substances? Or should the substance even be legal at all? Give your reasons if you think it's important.

Alcohol: 18
Tobacco: 20
"Softer" Legal Drugs, such as Cannabis: 21
"Harder" Legal Drugs, such as Heroin: 25

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Postby Faragaia » Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:21 am

Thanks again. Your suggestions are welcome.

We have now also suspended the smoking age law of 21 years and provisionally imposed a minimum age of 18 pending negotiations.
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Postby Lemsrow » Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:44 am

How should we set the age restrictions in each case? Should they even all be the same or be different for different substances? Or should the substance even be legal at all? Give your reasons if you think it's important.

Alcohol: 20
Tobacco: 21
"Softer" Legal Drugs, such as Cannabis: 18
"Harder" Legal Drugs, such as Heroin: 21

Reasons:

Alcohol: I have placed it as 20 since in my opinion, I want the teen stupidity out as much as possible, but make it more available for adults who know that they should drink moderately. The size of the dose decides the poison. In lower amounts, it’s a depressant and reduces social anxiety, on the other hand, drinking heavily might lead to drunkenness, some other weird stuff it does to your brain, and long-term liver problems down the line.

Tobacco: Yeah, no explanation for this.

Softer Drugs like Cannabis: Why 18? They aren’t as deadly as you think. They may be “gateway drugs”, but (I’m gonna say some real life statistics.) most users may not even use it again, and Heroin has killed about ~100k people. And cannabis has killed none. The deaths from cannabis or marijuana only come from car crashes.

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We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.

Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did. “


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