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NS Military Worldbuilding Thread No. 12

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:03 pm
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
NS MILITARY WORLDBUILDING THREAD NO. 12

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Welcome to the NS Military Worldbuilding thread! Which is strictly relegated to worldbuilding your military and not your fifty-ninehundredth harem fantasy. We try to offer critique based on what you define as realistic in your personal canon but remember author fiat cannot always save your skin, especially when it gets ridiculous.

I cba to actually make a decent OP. But y'all're aware of the drill already so.

The one and only suggestion I am going to make since we've been having too many of those: If Google and most importantly common sense hasn't helped to figure out the basics and you are asking the equivalent of "How long is a piece of string?" your question is likely not suitable here.




Military Resources

How to create a military doctrine for your nation
Allanea’s Handy Guide To Military Incompetence and Military Errors
Allanea’s Friendly Guide to Modern Infantry
Allanea’s Handy Guide to Urban Combat for Nationstates Players
Guerrilla Warfare - a Primer for Nationstates Players
Allanea’s Brief Guide to Military Sustainment/Logistics
Unit Symbol Generator
The Nationstates Draftroom’s Military History forums
Courage - Russian military news and analysis
China Defense Blog and forum
Defense Update
Tanks and AFV news
Below the Turret Ring
Globalsecurity - best enjoyed with private browsing.
The Unwanted Blog
UK Armed Forces Commentary
ThinkDefense
Naval Analyses
Russian strategic nuclear forces
Cannons, Machine guns and Ammunition
World Guns
US missiles and guided weapons

General Nationstates Resources


Non-Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 4
Worldbuilding Questions You Should Be Asking Yourself - by Crystal Spires
The CIA World Factbook

Previous threads:

NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0
NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mk X Purps Safe Space
NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mark IX Spitfire
NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Type 08
NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO
NS Military Realism Consultation Thread No. 6
NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5
NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4
NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #3
NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #2
NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #1

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:07 pm
by The New California Republic
*Sniff*

Smells...fresh...




A typo.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:12 pm
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
The New California Republic wrote:*Sniff*

Smells...fresh...




A typo.

Please direct any and all blame for any typos in the links section at Allanea. <.< >.>

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:13 pm
by The New California Republic
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:*Sniff*

Smells...fresh...




A typo.

Please direct any and all blame for any typos in the links section at Allanea. <.< >.>

They are not here, so... :p

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:27 pm
by Gallia-
why is f-16 in the op

stop messaging me on discord about f-16 pleassssssse

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:31 pm
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan
Do conscripts with an IQ of 92 make bad truck drivers or infantrymen?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:33 pm
by The New California Republic
At least it's got a Bear bomber, which regularly try to make a beeline for my house.



Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Do conscripts with an IQ of 92 make bad truck drivers or infantrymen?

:blink:

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:34 pm
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan
What are the pro and cons of CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunders?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:37 pm
by Gallia-
500 pages * 20 posts but half of them are an inane question that can be answered from easily available sources being asked by Ideal Badposter.

I wasn't prepared for this 2020.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:39 pm
by Triplebaconation
Do people who have freckles and once thought about stealing a candy bar make good soldiers?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:52 pm
by Dayganistan
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Do conscripts with an IQ of 92 make bad truck drivers or infantrymen?

I swear you're just trolling at this point

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:What are the pro and cons of CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunders?

Pros: It's a Chinese bootleg F-16
Cons: It's a Chinese bootleg F-16

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:52 pm
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
Dayganistan wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Do conscripts with an IQ of 92 make bad truck drivers or infantrymen?

I swear you're just trolling at this point

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:What are the pro and cons of CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunders?

Pros: It's a Chinese bootleg F-16
Cons: It's a Chinese bootleg F-16

It's not even a F-16. It's 1/3rd's of one.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:56 pm
by Dayganistan
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Dayganistan wrote:I swear you're just trolling at this point


Pros: It's a Chinese bootleg F-16
Cons: It's a Chinese bootleg F-16

It's not even a F-16. It's 1/3rd's of one.

I truly wonder which one between the JF-17 and the Tejas will come out on top when they inevitably end up going toe to toe. Neither of them seem great to be honest.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:01 pm
by Gallia-
The pilots will get out of their planes and beat the shit out of each other with clubs or something.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:06 pm
by Altpeak
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Do conscripts with an IQ of 92 make bad truck drivers or infantrymen?


They could do. Equally they could make good infantrymen or truck drivers. It depends on more than simply their IQ and to an extent also depends on what you expect your infantrymen and truck drivers to do. There isn't really a golden bullet for determining who would or wouldn't make a good soldier. What IQ is mostly going to tell you is how quickly the men or women in question will pick up new skills or become proficient at doing complicated things. Now, infantrymen and truck drivers are generally speaking on the more simple end of the jobs militaries want people to do and a lot of what they do can be learned through repetition. So, if you just want your lowest level infantrymen and truck drivers shutting up and doing as they're told and trained and outsourcing their deeper brain activity to their officers and NCOs, guys on the lower end of the IQ spectrum could be very good infantrymen or truck drivers. But then you have a fragile formation that loses its ability to act once its officers and NCOs start going down. But equally, if you fill the infantry or logistics units with brainiacs, you're going to starve other units of the army who genuinely need smart people.

All this is a very long-winded way of saying that it depends. You can have both smart and dumb infantrymen and truck drivers. Both can be good at the job and a mix of both is best.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:11 pm
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan
Triplebaconation wrote:Do people who have freckles and once thought about stealing a candy bar make good soldiers?

Freckles is irrelevant LOL
And the second thing just shows the stupid of refusing to enlist people due to petty crimes in their youth (despite their ability)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:19 pm
by The New California Republic
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Triplebaconation wrote:Do people who have freckles and once thought about stealing a candy bar make good soldiers?

Freckles is irrelevant LOL
And the second thing just shows the stupid of refusing to enlist people due to petty crimes in their youth (despite their ability)

Tbh whether someone has exactly an IQ of 92 is irrelevant as well.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:25 pm
by Gallia-
The New California Republic wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Freckles is irrelevant LOL
And the second thing just shows the stupid of refusing to enlist people due to petty crimes in their youth (despite their ability)

Tbh whether someone has exactly an IQ of 92 is irrelevant as well.


WAIS III cutoff for US Army enlistments (Category III AFQT) is literally 92. Dipping into Category IV (<92 on WAIS III, I don't know conversions to WAIS IV or anything newer) is generally done only with waiver and I think is limited to something like 2% or 5% of the total Army force by law. It only really becomes an issue when the Army needs meat for the grinder like Vietnam or Iraq though, in peacetime it typically keeps it below 1% AFAIK.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:28 pm
by The New California Republic
Gallia- wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Tbh whether someone has exactly an IQ of 92 is irrelevant as well.


WISC III cutoff for US Army enlistments (Category III AFQT) is literally 92.

Since he is likely talking about conscripts into his Islamic army then I'm not sure it applies.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:29 pm
by Gallia-
The New California Republic wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
WISC III cutoff for US Army enlistments (Category III AFQT) is literally 92.

Since he is likely talking about conscripts into his Islamic army then I'm not sure it applies.


The average Taliban fighter would probably be hitting Category IV if they're lucky, perhaps not the least because they're barely literate.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:31 pm
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
>Muslims
>Fighting
>2020
Omdurman. 1948. 6 Day War. Yom Kippur. Iraq vs America. End thread.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:40 pm
by New Vihenia
New home... smells fresh.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:47 pm
by Dayganistan
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Triplebaconation wrote:Do people who have freckles and once thought about stealing a candy bar make good soldiers?

Freckles is irrelevant LOL
And the second thing just shows the stupid of refusing to enlist people due to petty crimes in their youth (despite their ability)

I think he's trying to comment on how irrelevant half of what you ask is to someone's effectiveness as a solider.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:44 pm
by The Corparation
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:What are the pro and cons of CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunders?

Here is a good place to get a basic overview.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:58 pm
by United States of PA
Dayganistan wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Freckles is irrelevant LOL
And the second thing just shows the stupid of refusing to enlist people due to petty crimes in their youth (despite their ability)

I think he's trying to comment on how irrelevant half of what you ask is to someone's effectiveness as a solider.


I think half qualifies as a massive understatement. And seriously, just start ignoring him wholesale guys.