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by Gallia- » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:50 pm

by Gallia- » Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:05 pm
Data have also demonstrated that service-connected veterans reported increasingly worsening symptoms of PTSD until reaching 100 percent disability, followed by an 82 percent decrease in their use of VA mental health services (without a change in their use of VA medical services).
The point prevalence of combat-related PTSD in US military veterans since the Vietnam War ranges from about 2 – 17%. Studies of recent conflicts suggest that combat-related PTSD afflicts between 4 – 17% of US Iraq War veterans, but only 3 – 6% of returning UK Iraq War veterans.

by Gallia- » Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:13 pm

by Gonswanza » Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:30 pm
Gallia- wrote:
Is this an honest question or whatever? It's pretty well known that PTSD affects maybe 1 or 3/100 soldiers lol.
Depending on who you ask the incidence is as low as 1.5% and as high as 9-12%, depending on which definition you use, what variety of Asiatic Horde the US Army is currently fighting, and who specifically you're talking about. Incidence of PTSD tends to rise in wartime but only very slightly. Its nominal year incidence rate according to NIH is something like 1.5-3% and during Iraq/Afghanistan it jumped up to 5-8% if you believe the VA.Data have also demonstrated that service-connected veterans reported increasingly worsening symptoms of PTSD until reaching 100 percent disability, followed by an 82 percent decrease in their use of VA mental health services (without a change in their use of VA medical services).
This is a particularly spicy one. PTSD literally being used as a handout and exaggeration of symptoms by malingerers. Reported incidences at VA is something like 1/3rd of claimed PTSD is malingerers but this is probably higher.
Here's another spicy one:The point prevalence of combat-related PTSD in US military veterans since the Vietnam War ranges from about 2 – 17%. Studies of recent conflicts suggest that combat-related PTSD afflicts between 4 – 17% of US Iraq War veterans, but only 3 – 6% of returning UK Iraq War veterans.
US troops may very well have higher "incidence rates" of PTSD because the VA shells out big bucks to get you higher on disability pay. The UK doesn't have anything like this so there's less of a financial incentive to report PTSD or whatever. The genuine rates may be closer to the UK in practice, with the rest being malingerers or something.
Is PTSD fake? No, some people really do have trouble processing emotions because their brains are smaller volume than average. Does this happen to soldiers? ...generally not. At least US Army soldiers tend to be selected precisely because they are intelligent, but this also means that they're good at faking PTSD, precisely for fiscal gaming of the VA handout system. So which is it? Literally no one knows, but probably a good number of them are malingering until that 100% disability locks in.
It suggests that the VA should either stop paying out for "mental illness" disability and only pay for physical disabilities, or it should have some sort of asylum or sanitarium system like the USSR did, where veterans with mental disabilities can be watched and insured that they are doing things like taking their medication, attending group therapy, etc. My preferred solution is the latter because it's genuinely frightening if you haven't been locked up in a mental hospital before and it will scare people away from feigning an illness that will get them locked in effectively a prison where they have to take SSRIs and are watched for suicide 24/7. It will also help catch people who actually cannot help themselves, but what use that is I'm not sure, besides perpetuating itself. I guess it helps the families feel secure that their loved ones are being watched, safely kept alive in a cage, and can have meaningful human contact with people who have experiences similar to theirs. It would also be easier to sell to people.
Historically, though, sanitariums were literally because a family couldn't afford or didn't care to watch over the crippled, insane, or elderly kin, so instead of dying from old age/broken bones/palsies, they sent them to a sanitarium or spa or whatever. So that is a very trad system anyway. More points to it IMO.
[GNN] Check [hyperlink blocked] for further instructions or [frequency blocked]. /// Finland holds off Russian advance, Baltic sea turned into a "bathtub from hell". /// Strange signals from space, likely a dysfunctional probe /// New body armor rolling off the line, onto Gonswanzan soldiers /// Canada declares war against the US after a bloody coup. /// Japan deploys infantry to Korea, post-unification.

by Gonswanza » Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:44 pm
Dtn wrote:what
you do realize not everybody has brain structures of the same size, right???
they aren't even static through a person's lifetime
[GNN] Check [hyperlink blocked] for further instructions or [frequency blocked]. /// Finland holds off Russian advance, Baltic sea turned into a "bathtub from hell". /// Strange signals from space, likely a dysfunctional probe /// New body armor rolling off the line, onto Gonswanzan soldiers /// Canada declares war against the US after a bloody coup. /// Japan deploys infantry to Korea, post-unification.

by Dtn » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:03 pm
Gonswanza wrote:If someone managed to have a brain half the size of the average humans I can put money on them being on life support for what little time they'd have outside of the womb as they race to the grave at breakneck speed.

by Gallia- » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:11 pm
Gonswanza wrote:Gallia- wrote:
Is this an honest question or whatever? It's pretty well known that PTSD affects maybe 1 or 3/100 soldiers lol.
Depending on who you ask the incidence is as low as 1.5% and as high as 9-12%, depending on which definition you use, what variety of Asiatic Horde the US Army is currently fighting, and who specifically you're talking about. Incidence of PTSD tends to rise in wartime but only very slightly. Its nominal year incidence rate according to NIH is something like 1.5-3% and during Iraq/Afghanistan it jumped up to 5-8% if you believe the VA.
This is a particularly spicy one. PTSD literally being used as a handout and exaggeration of symptoms by malingerers. Reported incidences at VA is something like 1/3rd of claimed PTSD is malingerers but this is probably higher.
Here's another spicy one:
US troops may very well have higher "incidence rates" of PTSD because the VA shells out big bucks to get you higher on disability pay. The UK doesn't have anything like this so there's less of a financial incentive to report PTSD or whatever. The genuine rates may be closer to the UK in practice, with the rest being malingerers or something.
Is PTSD fake? No, some people really do have trouble processing emotions because their brains are smaller volume than average. Does this happen to soldiers? ...generally not. At least US Army soldiers tend to be selected precisely because they are intelligent, but this also means that they're good at faking PTSD, precisely for fiscal gaming of the VA handout system. So which is it? Literally no one knows, but probably a good number of them are malingering until that 100% disability locks in.
It suggests that the VA should either stop paying out for "mental illness" disability and only pay for physical disabilities, or it should have some sort of asylum or sanitarium system like the USSR did, where veterans with mental disabilities can be watched and insured that they are doing things like taking their medication, attending group therapy, etc. My preferred solution is the latter because it's genuinely frightening if you haven't been locked up in a mental hospital before and it will scare people away from feigning an illness that will get them locked in effectively a prison where they have to take SSRIs and are watched for suicide 24/7. It will also help catch people who actually cannot help themselves, but what use that is I'm not sure, besides perpetuating itself. I guess it helps the families feel secure that their loved ones are being watched, safely kept alive in a cage, and can have meaningful human contact with people who have experiences similar to theirs. It would also be easier to sell to people.
Historically, though, sanitariums were literally because a family couldn't afford or didn't care to watch over the crippled, insane, or elderly kin, so instead of dying from old age/broken bones/palsies, they sent them to a sanitarium or spa or whatever. So that is a very trad system anyway. More points to it IMO.
"Smaller volume"
Gonswanza wrote:Last I checked the only people who have such a deformed lump of grey matter that is literally kicking around in their skull either have some major birth defects that cuts down their lifespan into the single digits or are practically incapable of joining the military, even though conscription... But that aside, everything else seems to hold true, objectively.
Gonswanza wrote:Unless you meant that as an opinion
some dudes wrote:(...) We provide converging evidence of long-term effects of a traumatic event during adolescence on amygdala volume. More specifically, traumatized youths showed reduction of amygdala volume with increase in PTSD symptom severity 24–36 months post-trauma, which is in line with previous studies in PTSD patients25,32. Perhaps more interestingly, the subdivision analyses revealed that the negative association between amygdala volume and symptom severity could be ascribed to the nuclei of the BLA complex as well as the right central and medial nuclei. However, only the lateral nucleus was associated with individual PTSD symptom development, and mediated the association between short- and long-term PTSD symptoms. The results indicate that the various amygdala nuclei may be differentially associated with cross-sectional and longitudinal measures of PTSD symptom load. Future studies may therefore benefit from considering the amygdala as a heterogeneous brain area, when understanding the relationship between amygdala structure and PTSD.
One possible explanation for the conflicting amygdala volumetric findings in PTSD may be that previous studies have treated the amygdala as a homogeneous entity, and not taken its structural and functional heterogeneity into account25. The nuclei of the BLA and the CMA have unique cellular architectures and structural connections37, which is reflected in their distinct roles in fear learning- and regulation8,38. In line with this notion, the volume of the individual amygdala nuclei may be uniquely affected in disorders altering fear sensation39. Moreover, whereas increased spinogenesis and dendritic growth of principal and stellate neurons have been reported in the BLA following severe stress16,17, a loss of stellate neuron spines may occur in the CMA nuclei18,19. Finally, preliminary findings from human functional imaging studies suggest that the BLA and the CMA differ in terms of activity20 and functional connectivity21 in PTSD, further suggesting that these complexes should be considered separately in trauma- and stress-related disorders40,41.
We here report a negative association between long-term (i.e. 24–36 months) PTSD symptom severity and the nuclei of the BLA complex. The results are corroborated by findings of unique structural alterations of the BLA in animals exposed to repeated restraint stress40,41. Although stress-dependent structural changes in animals are mainly trophic40,41, it has been suggested that the initial volumetric expansion may be followed by a long-term volumetric reduction in humans42. This is plausible, given that the BLA contains abundant glucocorticoid receptors41, and thus stress and excessive amounts of glucocorticoids may have direct and indirect neurotoxic effects on the BLA complex, inhibiting dendritic expansion and even causing neuronal loss. Furthermore, other stress-related mental illnesses like depression are also associated with initial amygdala volumetric increases43 followed by volumetric reductions upon recurrent depressive episodes44. Of note, rodents with smaller BLA show stronger conditioned fear responses and corticosteroid responses to stress45, and humans with a genetically rare disease (Urbach-Wiethe) damaging the BLA show increased vigilance in response to threat cues46. As such, the increased arousal and vigilance, which is part of the PTSD symptom complex may be at least partially mediated by structural changes in BLA. This is further suggested by an inverse relationship between total amygdala volume and amygdala activity47, providing a link between our findings and the more frequently reported amygdala hyperactivity in PTSD13.
We also found evidence for an association between long-term PTSD symptom severity and concurrent volumes of the central and the medial nuclei. A recent study using vertex-based neuroimaging identified specific abnormalities in the morphology of the CMA which scaled with PTSD load24. In addition, a study in young PTSD patients found altered gray matter density and intrinsic connectivity of both the BLA and CMA complexes48. The central nucleus of the CMA is essential for fear expression and autonomic arousal in response to threat cues, and receives numerous connections from the lateral and basal nuclei7. Interestingly, the communication between the lateral and the central nucleus is regulated by prefrontal inputs49. As such, aberrant medial prefrontal—BLA connectivity in PTSD patients21 may facilitate signaling through the lateral—central nuclei route, with potential consequences for the central nucleus structure. Nevertheless, a combined effect on both the BLA and CMA could explain why PTSD is likely to affect both fear learning and expression, and also why extinguishing fear is so difficult in this disorder50,51.
We had the unique opportunity to investigate the association between PTSD symptom severity acquired at several time-points (i.e. 4–5, 14–15 and 24–36 months) post-trauma and long-term amygdala nuclei volumes. Interestingly, we found that the individual PTSD symptom development was closely related to the lateral nucleus volume 24–36 months post-trauma. Moreover, the right lateral nucleus volume mediated the association between short- and long-term PTSD symptoms. The findings are in line with a recent study showing that amygdala reactivity immediately following the index trauma is related to PTSD symptoms months post-trauma6. In addition, previous studies have reported that amygdala reactivity to affective stimuli pre-deployment positively predicted post-deployment PTSD symptoms in military samples52,53, and that post-traumatic stress symptoms in the aftermath of an index trauma were negatively associated with total amygdala volume 24 years later54. The present study extends these findings by showing that the long-term lateral nucleus volume is associated with early symptom development, and indeed may mediate the association between short-and long-term outcome. As such, nuclei of the BLA may be an essential target of early interventions including pharmacological or psychological treatments following trauma, to prevent the development of chronic PTSD.
Although our study may add novel insight into the association between amygdala volume and PTSD, several questions remain unanswered. One important question relates to whether lower amygdala nuclei volumes are a consequence of the extreme stress exposure per se or represent a preexisting vulnerability for developing PTSD. Findings of altered amygdala morphology in animals exposed to stress16,17,18,19 as well as altered structure and function in humans exposed to early life adversity55,56 may suggest an effect of stress per se. In contrast, the observation of reduced amygdala volume in PTSD patients relative to trauma-exposed control subjects without PTSD15 is comparable with the hypothesis that lower amygdala volume is a heritable risk factor for developing or a consequence of having PTSD. However, to directly answer this question would require research studies using prospective, longitudinal designs and twin studies. (...)
Gonswanza wrote:If someone managed to have a brain half the size of the average humans I can put money on them being on life support for what little time they'd have outside of the womb as they race to the grave at breakneck speed.

by Dtn » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:29 pm

by Gallia- » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:31 pm

by The Grand World Order » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:04 pm
Gallia- wrote:more or less yes
the same people who do things like extreme skydiving in another world might partake in gladiatorial blood sports i guess
Dtn wrote:anyway I don't think this brain talk really answers the question as well as "people increasingly lack the moral fiber to get through relatively easy lives so they spin lurid fantasies of hyper-competent psychopaths since they can't imagine normal people having the strength and resiliency to endure and even enjoy stressful situations"

by Dtn » Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:24 pm
The Grand World Order wrote: "they're big meanies."
The Aber wrote:Drinking a mug of coffee in less than two minutes is making me lose my mind right after the stimulation wears off. And I'm feeling a certain [rather uncanny and uncomfortable] way at the moment. Now imagine that + bath salts + meth + cocaine. That equals death for normal humans, and is plowing mighty close to the cotton for Aber.
And they just kill. Nothing extra like at the Nanjing Massacre. Just straight up slaughter and pseudo-cannibalism. I would say that, in my world, the North Koreans like portray the Americans as such vile creatures. Then again, the whole bombing run thing during the Korean War was a trip, and I'm sure people's perceptions on whodunnit we're very blurred. Which still isn't any of excuse to confuse the average built Caucasian American soldier dressed in uniform with an rather under-the-influence member of an amber-skinned, dark brown-haired, tall and muscular superhuman species that's currently shirtless, disheveled, and eating someone's mutilating corpse.

by Gallia- » Tue Jul 26, 2022 7:01 pm

by Hurtful Thoughts » Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:12 pm
The Grand World Order wrote:I think there's a big difference between normal people being able to endure stressful combat situations without serious issues (nobody on my team in Afghanistan was particularly bothered by the things that happened there, oh no it's an anecdote) and the anime-villain-tier "HE LAUGHS AS HE MACHINE GUNS THE BABIES AND THEN SHOOTS HIS SUBORDINATE TO STEAL HIS FLAMETHROWER AND BURN WHAT'S LEFT BECAUSE HE LOVES TO MURDER" nonsense that I remember (and even kind of participated in as an edgy teenager) from the Jolt era of NS. Atrocities happen of course, but are usually rooted in something more than "they're big meanies."
Congreveopia wrote:The Dark Division soldiers were probably less than a minute from being massacred when Kayora had called up this impromptu truce. Nexus wasn’t connected to Leighton for whatever reason. He had next to no assets at his disposal anymore, and Kayora had her squad back under her command. The Hurtis had a mixture of wounds; the Congreveopians were down one airship and probably dozens of soldiers. They were in a worse tactical position than before the operation began, and they were the ones supposedly orchestrating this ambush.
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“This isn’t why I joined the Platinum Soldiers. This isn’t why the Platinum Soldiers were made. And I can only see that now, because, despite everything, Kayora will risk her life to try and save everyone. Because the Hurti team understands what it means to be a soldier, not a murderer, and because my government doesn’t. Because Nexus doesn’t. Because maybe even Leighton doesn’t.”
Drinking a mug of coffee in less than two minutes is making me lose my mind right after the stimulation wears off. And I'm feeling a certain [rather uncanny and uncomfortable] way at the moment. Now imagine that + bath salts + meth + cocaine. That equals death for normal humans, and is plowing mighty close to the cotton for Aber.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:If there was only a "like" button for NS posts....

by Gallia- » Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:02 pm


by Hurtful Thoughts » Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:02 pm
Vavlar wrote:Anyone have any idea of modern tactics, hell even mideval or steppe warfare?
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:If there was only a "like" button for NS posts....

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