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Postby Gonswanza » Mon May 16, 2022 1:25 am

The Grand World Order wrote:
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Trying to say that if a 5'10 man weighing 360 lb can pretty much lift as much as 6,300 lbs on his shoulders or over his head (don't know which one it was for Paul), surely anyone that's even much taller than that with an extra couple or so hundred pounds of muscle and probably even less body fat, in addition to a more durable anatomical structure would have the anatomical means to lift even more than that (if they follow the right nutrition and exercise every day, maybe). If that's the case, a 250-450 lb set of full tank-plate body armor would be nothing.


225lb squats are what I do for cardio, but you're out of your mind if you think I'm taking that on a ruck march, much less doing buddy rushes and moving as I would in combat. Injuries aside, you also have to realize that there's a lot of laying down, getting up, and going over stuff within short amounts of time involved in infantry combat.

As Spirit says, the lift you're citing is a carefully orchestrated movement done by someone whose dedicated their life to it. This is the lift that Anderson did. I don't think it's a good representation of functional weight limits. Height also doesn't inherently mean able to lift more.

Also just because you can LIFT that much does not mean you can CARRY that much over a set distance.

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Postby The Dolphin Isles » Mon May 16, 2022 3:49 am

The Orwell Society wrote:What is the best modern-day fighter jet for quick bombing runs, air-to-ground attacks, air-to-air combat, and quick maneuvering?

The reason I'm asking is because I need something to model a jet after for my nation's military (and possibly sell on by storefront) to use in my RPs.


While this does not always comport well with "quick maneuvering," the introduction of stealth technology has really been a game-changer in the world of combat aviation.
In terms of ground-attack missions, stealth opens up attack options that would be otherwise impossible to achieve. It allows key first-strike capability against hostile hard targets such as air-defense network nodes, airfields, etc.. These objectives could be achieved with other things such as decoys, electronic warfare, DEAD, SEAD, etc., but the point still stands that more stealth features added to a plane aid both its survivability and the variety of missions it can pursue.
Similar caveats apply to A2A combat. Maneuverability matters of course or else we'd be using the B-2 and B-21 as fighters instead of the F-35. However, stealth is something that cannot be undercut. There's a reason why the PRC's next fighters are the J-20 and J-31.

At the end of the day though, I'd recommend against trying to min-max RP unless you plan on competitive role-playing. Look at what is necessary for your country and what resources you have at your disposal. Additionally, go for something you like the aesthetic of. This will make RP more fun.
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Postby The Aber » Thu May 19, 2022 4:41 pm

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Postby Soveiniesberg » Thu May 19, 2022 4:52 pm

The Aber wrote:How accurate is The Powder Toy?

The what?
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Postby Cossack Peoples » Thu May 19, 2022 4:56 pm

A flash game does not an accurate source on military matters make.

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Postby The Aber » Thu May 19, 2022 4:57 pm

Soveiniesberg wrote:
The Aber wrote:How accurate is The Powder Toy?

The what?


It's an free app/program that simulates chemical reactions, with various elements to use, including explosive, incendiary, and radioactive elements.
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Postby Tharaka » Sat May 21, 2022 3:56 pm

So assuming my country has 18th century tech, I need advice about oar vs. pedal power. Would there be a method of dozens of men peddling a ship rather than rowing it? Or are paddles the only way that multiple men can power a boat? We are not talking about something large, about a galley size for use on lakes and rivers. Any thoughts?
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Postby Danternoust » Sat May 21, 2022 5:24 pm

Tharaka wrote:So assuming my country has 18th century tech, I need advice about oar vs. pedal power. Would there be a method of dozens of men peddling a ship rather than rowing it? Or are paddles the only way that multiple men can power a boat? We are not talking about something large, about a galley size for use on lakes and rivers. Any thoughts?

Oars are simple torque converters, peddling requiring interesting gearing if it is powering a single screw.

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Postby Gonswanza » Sat May 21, 2022 5:55 pm

Extending that thought, what about a combined system? Of course, this is not accounting for engineering complexity. But like, a hybrid power type setup where there's a group of men dedicated to rowing, the rest (who would also be rowing, normally) instead pedal. Could it work? Would it hold an advantage over either system?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 21, 2022 6:01 pm

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Postby Soveiniesberg » Sat May 21, 2022 6:14 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:this is great and all but...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... anders.jpg

what am i looking at
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat May 21, 2022 6:27 pm

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 21, 2022 6:33 pm

y'all have to excuse the more than usual brusqueness it's 3 am and my spelled out thoughts are disjointed and available fucks are not available
Point being:
these were the standard tradeships for powers that actually had trade to speak of inbetween 1500 and about 1850
this and the above were 16-17th century galleys

Note they all had
Sails
and
Lots and lots and lots of guns

This is probs because sails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending months and months of backbreaking labour pressganging discontent galley rowers

Edit: Otoh there's still some use for oars...
when there's no wind and you still need to deedeemao
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Postby Crookfur » Sat May 21, 2022 11:34 pm

Tharaka wrote:So assuming my country has 18th century tech, I need advice about oar vs. pedal power. Would there be a method of dozens of men peddling a ship rather than rowing it? Or are paddles the only way that multiple men can power a boat? We are not talking about something large, about a galley size for use on lakes and rivers. Any thoughts?

By the second half of the 18th century screw propellers were around and a a bunch of folk tried using manually powered ones be it by a hand turned crankshaft, rope driven via capstan or even pedal powered (sort of) in the turtle.

Generally pretty inefficient giving about half the speed of a boat rowed by a similar number of men.

As for a paddle wheel and peddles, yeah the concept existed and Da Vinci had, of course, drawn something that looked a bit like a modern pedalo.

In short yeah the idea of alternative manual power by means of crank shaft, treadle boards, sort of peddles, winches or capstans driving screws or paddle wheels existed but they only matured and became workable in the next century, ie at the point steam engines become viable for boats. If human power was your only option oars were still far more efficient as is the case today.
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Postby Gallia- » Sat May 21, 2022 11:50 pm

The human body was built for rowing. It's incredibly poor at paddle boating because your thighs, despite being the single strongest muscle group, are still weaker than the thighs "plus almost literally every other upper body muscle group". Rowing engages pretty much everything besides a few of your deep spine muscles (psoas) and your pectorals, and I guess if you're really into digits, it won't make your feet better at gripping. This is why bad rowers get hip pain, they don't stretch.

So make sure the galley slaves stretch their hip flexors and hit the bench, you can't do back day every day.
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Postby Dtn » Sun May 22, 2022 6:31 am

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In the West river paddleboats weren't uncommon before steam engines. They'd typically use a horse whim though.

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Postby Cossack Peoples » Tue May 24, 2022 8:58 pm

Bear with me for bringing you physics homework, but in a classical setting, with air resistance negligible and whatnot, how would you calculate what a no-escape zone would be for an air-to-air munition against a maneuvering target?

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Postby Dtn » Wed May 25, 2022 8:55 pm

unfortunately air resistance is an essential part of calculating no-escape zones

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Postby Cossack Peoples » Thu May 26, 2022 4:25 am

Well then how would you calculate no-escape zones in a vacuum? I'm working on a sci-fi nation and was just posing the question in a MT setting. My thoughts are that it would be equal to the distance covered at a certain acceleration at a certain velocity, given a standard for the target's maximum acceleration, like 9 gees or something.

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Postby Axis Nova » Fri May 27, 2022 9:32 pm

What sort of electricity consumption is typical for an electric vehicle? I am interested in the micro nuclear reactor technology the Israelis are trying to develop that uses americium, though their initial design is intended to run something like the ISS and would weigh about 10 tons for an output of 140kw for a period of 80 days.

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Postby Austrasien » Sun May 29, 2022 6:21 am

Axis Nova wrote:What sort of electricity consumption is typical for an electric vehicle? I am interested in the micro nuclear reactor technology the Israelis are trying to develop that uses americium, though their initial design is intended to run something like the ISS and would weigh about 10 tons for an output of 140kw for a period of 80 days.


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Postby Gonswanza » Sun May 29, 2022 6:28 am

Axis Nova wrote:What sort of electricity consumption is typical for an electric vehicle? I am interested in the micro nuclear reactor technology the Israelis are trying to develop that uses americium, though their initial design is intended to run something like the ISS and would weigh about 10 tons for an output of 140kw for a period of 80 days.

Modular nuclear reactors are fission reactors that use fission to produce energy, simple as can be...

I don't think you can just throw one on wheels and call it a day without some serious handwaving or jumping into FT tech where laser guns are a dime a dozen and the "batteries" that power them are kilowatt or gigawatt fusion reactors that can fit in your pocket.

Granted it would be amusing to see someone actually try to put a modular nuke on wheels and have it be self-propelled too.

Also before anyone screams at me, yes, I know nuke-powered ships exist already. There are even icebreakers with a reactor at their heart. There were a few attempts at a nuclear-powered airliner, but every attempt either failed to produce satisfactory results or barely got off the ground as is.
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Postby Dayganistan » Sun May 29, 2022 10:29 am

What is it that makes catapult equipped carriers so rare compared to ski jump carriers with basically only the US and France currently operating catapult equipped carriers? Is it a matter of cost and basically nothing else?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun May 29, 2022 10:36 am

Dayganistan wrote:What is it that makes catapult equipped carriers so rare compared to ski jump carriers with basically only the US and France currently operating catapult equipped carriers? Is it a matter of cost and basically nothing else?

Iirc CVF has a skijump in the earliest drafts to increase sortie rate
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