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Postby Cossack Peoples » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:59 pm

Currently, what do you believe is the best way to shoot down or counter hypersonic weapons?

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Postby Danternoust » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:07 pm

Cossack Peoples wrote:Currently, what do you believe is the best way to shoot down or counter hypersonic weapons?
Moving at a non-constant speed and heading on a ship at sea.

Alternatively, spray sand as a curtain. Sand is very dangerous above mach 1.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:20 am

How could nations stop their privateers from becoming common pirates?
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Postby Cossack Peoples » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:45 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:How could nations stop their privateers from becoming common pirates?

Don't pay for something so unreliable as privateers in the first place?

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Postby Immoren » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:51 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:How could nations stop their privateers from becoming common pirates?


Organized crime guilds working with state that help hunt down common pirates.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:09 am

Immoren wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:How could nations stop their privateers from becoming common pirates?


Organized crime guilds working with state that help hunt down common pirates.

Thanks!
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:10 pm

Immoren wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:How could nations stop their privateers from becoming common pirates?


Organized crime guilds working with state that help hunt down common pirates.

Place a bounty for violators and watch people come out of the woodwork to try bushwhacking the captain and crew.

At sea, in port... hell, even in their private safehouses in foreign countries.

If nobody delivers on the promise to bring them to justice, at least you won't need to pay anybody.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:10 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Organized crime guilds working with state that help hunt down common pirates.

Place a bounty for violators and watch people come out of the woodwork to try bushwhacking the captain and crew.

At sea, in port... hell, even in their private safehouses in foreign countries.

Good idea
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:12 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Place a bounty for violators and watch people come out of the woodwork to try bushwhacking the captain and crew.

At sea, in port... hell, even in their private safehouses in foreign countries.

Good idea

I've been at this for awhile.

Hurti privateers are hilarious trolls of the high seas.

Trolls with privately owned and operated guided missile frigates

A few of them operate submarines, but is kinda hard to capture a ship with one.
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Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:01 pm

Gallia- wrote:>hiring privateers
>winning wars

choose one idk

US Navy in 1812:

Why not both?

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Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:08 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Gallia- wrote:>hiring privateers
>winning wars

choose one idk

US Navy in 1812:

Why not both?

Wasn't aware that the US Navy in 1812 was really winning, given the fact that they couldn't keep the British from invading wherever the British chose to land and couldn't really hurt the British merchant fleet or support an American invasion.

In the end the US "won" the war because Britain didn't want to fight the war, and the reason the war had been started in the first place were all gone. The US got some minor concessions, but not on anything truly important to the British.
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Postby Danternoust » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:16 pm

They couldn't because the French were losing. Simply pointing out that the Americans were a side show in 1814 doesn't actually bear much on American strategy or success. This is like saying Franco had superior foresight in 1940, or Italy had superior foresight in 1915.

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Postby Triplebaconation » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:57 pm

nothing says badass like swinging from the rigging of a nuclear attack sub to board a container ship full of patio furniture and trump flags
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:30 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:nothing says badass like swinging from the rigging of a nuclear attack sub to board a container ship full of patio furniture and trump flags

Pretty much the opposite of that time the US Coast Guard boarded a Narco-sub.
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Postby Gallia- » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:55 am

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:US Navy in 1812:

Why not both?

Wasn't aware that the US Navy in 1812 was really winning, given the fact that they couldn't keep the British from invading wherever the British chose to land and couldn't really hurt the British merchant fleet or support an American invasion.

In the end the US "won" the war because Britain didn't want to fight the war, and the reason the war had been started in the first place were all gone. The US got some minor concessions, but not on anything truly important to the British.


1812 was back when punitive expeditions were still cool because people believed in "picking your battles" literally. I guess the modern version would be the US Army leaves Afghanistan after the battle of Tora Bora because OBL is no longer there and follows him to Pakistan. Followed 200 years later by Taliban Caliphate declaring victory over the invaders in their second ever revolutionary birth war.

The British won in that they prevented an American invasion of Canada, forced the United States to completely abandon the prospect of exporting the revolution, and embarrassed James Madison by burning the White House. Unfortunately for the British, Madison managed to turn it around onto a general instead of his own failures as President, and the Americans didn't really care much to begin with because Nawlins was safe I guess.

Triplebaconation wrote:nothing says badass like swinging from the rigging of a nuclear attack sub to board a container ship full of patio furniture and trump flags


The privateer flies MAGA flags as semaphore, the crew wears crying eagle T-shirts, and the heads are filled with American flag toilet paper. The finest tacky bumper stickers adorn the crew lounge and fantail.

Truly, their cups runneth over.
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:35 am

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:US Navy in 1812:

Why not both?

Wasn't aware that the US Navy in 1812 was really winning, given the fact that they couldn't keep the British from invading wherever the British chose to land and couldn't really hurt the British merchant fleet or support an American invasion.

In the end the US "won" the war because Britain didn't want to fight the war, and the reason the war had been started in the first place were all gone. The US got some minor concessions, but not on anything truly important to the British.

The US had victories in the Great Lakes. But that also wasn't a substantial area of operations, with most of the action happening in the old colonies.
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Postby Gallia- » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:39 am

The US Navy was so thoroughly defeated that the British landed in Washington DC and looted the place.

It would be like if Robert E. Lee had taken the CSN and burned Lower Manhattan to the ground, before making off with J.S. Morgan's private hoard of gold or something.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:10 pm

The Manticoran Empire wrote:The US had victories in the Great Lakes.

Until the British decided to shut the Americans up for good with a 112 gun ship of the line that is. <.>
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Postby Manokan Republic » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:44 pm

Cossack Peoples wrote:Currently, what do you believe is the best way to shoot down or counter hypersonic weapons?

That's a good question, lasers and other high speed particles travels at or near the speed of light, and so in theory it's the best way to intercept something moving really fast, as it's the fastest moving thing in existence, and it doesn't take much effort to get it up to that speed since it is naturally always moving that fast. The only problem is the relatively low power of these systems, and the high energy constraints, but something like this is definitely possible, especially if mounted on a large nuclear powered vessel, or on the ground. Another method is saturation, so fill the sky in a given area with a large cluster of rounds in the predicted path of the projectile and have them destroy the target, so use a large autocannon or minigun to saturate the sky with exploding bullets, and have multiple of such guns. The other way is to avoid contact all together, such as being under water or really deep underground, so make every naval vessel partially submersible or the like, as it will disintegrate in water and other hard materials.

On a somewhat funnier notion, does every aircraft carier sekritly need to become a submarine? It might be inevitable in the future since there is no good way to avoid such missiles or nuclear weapons while on the surface of the water, but being a few feet below would by itself block out most the radiation, and large amounts of the concussive force, as well as make you substantially harder to track by satellite or areal reconnaissance.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:10 pm

Gallia- wrote:The British won in that they prevented an American invasion of Canada, forced the United States to completely abandon the prospect of exporting the revolution, and embarrassed James Madison by burning the White House. Unfortunately for the British, Madison managed to turn it around onto a general instead of his own failures as President, and the Americans didn't really care much to begin with because Nawlins was safe I guess.


Gallia- wrote:prevented an American invasion of Canada


Gallia- wrote:prevented


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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:57 pm

Would a devoutly Islamic country give a Navy ship a name that translated as Summaya's Revenge. Summaya was the first female martyr in Islamic history and Blackbeard named his ship Queen Anne's Revenge.
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