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Postby Manokan Republic » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:38 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Manokan Republic wrote:51 pounds (23 kg) approximately, if going by the U.S. military Davy Crockett Mk-54 warhead, although it was rumored the soviets might have 30 pound or so suitcase nukes, although this was never actually proven. At the time, the Davy Crockett was fired from a recoilless rifle and had too short a range to be useful, but considered the warhead size is only marginally larger than a javelin missile that is well outside the range needed, a man portable rocket using a javelin launching system, well outside the range needed of several miles, may actually be viable. That also being said rockets have developed a lot since then so, it would be pretty easy to launch the 51 pound device from a relatively small vehicle mounted rocket that has fairly good accuracy, despite it's small size. At that time small precision guided missiles were rare and expensive, today it's not really the case, and even laser guidance for a relatively cheap guided missile is available, among other things like inertial guidance. A cruise missile has a 2000 pound payload, so 50 pounds is pretty easy to field in the modern day.

I'll even put it to you another way. The 155mm howitzer uses 100 pound (45 kilogram shells). So in theory, with a warhead that weight, although perhaps not that shape, you could launch it from a 155mm howitzer. So nuclear artillery is a possibility.


Ok, so to sum up what we have so far. A tank using an atomic fueled sterling generator with uranium armor around the crew cab and only the crew cab (It's green, just not in the traditional sense :)) and a 155mm main gun firing guided atomic shels escorted by swarms of medium sized destroyer drones aimed at hunting down enemy torpedodrones. Hm... we are going to need some sort of carrier tank for those drones. Probably something largeish in size, but still not too large so that it can maneuver. Like a medium sized truck sized maybe. And with like AA machineguns to shoot at incoming torpedodrones. Or is that maybe better left for an escort tank that just gets lots of AA or is that AD now?

Hmmm.... well, a tank with torpedo drones mounted on it would work, but a large truck behind it to launch and control them makes a lot of sense to keep it separate. So a drone that is fired off of a tank, combined with a truck that has a bunch of drones on it, so the tank has it's own drones under it's immediate command in addition to the drone swarm army also operating separately from it.

So basically both! :D Use a large tank cannon to fire off atomic shells, ideally in 155mm howitzer form and blam, you have the nuclear powered battletank! A land aircraft carrier that can also go in the water is possible if you made it a hovercraft, so it can go both on the beach and over land. Since it's atomic powered, it would just always hover above the land, and could go both ways, maybe with wheels on it to keep it from moving around too much and allow it to park places. However a bunch of smaller trucks with drones is probably easier to make, rather than one big thing, which would be an easy target for enemy fire. If it's too big, it's too big of a target essentially.

A nuclear powered, amphibious hovercraft carrier. Seems legit.
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Postby Purpelia » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:49 pm

Manokan Republic wrote:Hmmm.... well, a tank with torpedo drones mounted on it would work, but a large truck behind it to launch and control them makes a lot of sense to keep it separate. So a drone that is fired off of a tank, combined with a truck that has a bunch of drones on it, so the tank has it's own drones under it's immediate command in addition to the drone swarm army also operating separately from it.

So basically both! :D Use a large tank cannon to fire off atomic shells, ideally in 155mm howitzer form and blam, you have the nuclear powered battletank! A land aircraft carrier that can also go in the water is possible if you made it a hovercraft, so it can go both on the beach and over land. Since it's atomic powered, it would just always hover above the land, and could go both ways, maybe with wheels on it to keep it from moving around too much and allow it to park places. However a bunch of smaller trucks with drones is probably easier to make, rather than one big thing, which would be an easy target for enemy fire. If it's too big, it's too big of a target essentially.

A nuclear powered, amphibious hovercraft carrier. Seems legit.

Now you are talking. How would the tanks recover their drones though? I mean, there ain't no walking out in this weather so I am thinking we'd have to make the engine deck large enough for a crane and a couple small catapults to fit the things. Than again do we even need to recover them? If its just a couple drones per tank we can just drop them and get new ones made later.

I can already picture it. You have a swarm of light picket vehicles of some sort, probably automated or maybe even just long range drones patrolling all around your frontage. These can be remote controlled from HQ or maybe light hovercraft carriers that can zip around the field to keep away from the enemy. When one of them catches sight of the enemy they alert the nearest underground harbor and the battlefleet sorties out to intercept. The heavy truckcarriers launch their combat drones to provide CAP and torpedo attacks whilst tanks and smaller lighter "destroyer" vehicles move out to fight the enemy screen. The tanks deploy their drones to scout and watch the fall of shot as they shoot off atomic 15cm shells just beyond visual range into the melee. All the while a violent air battle between drones is raging overhead at treetop level. And either one side breaks through and starts nuking the enemy carriers or one side breaks off and flees for the safety of their reinforced harbor that probably has like lots of automatic 15cm atomic turrets or something sitting around to defend it. And so the battle ends leaving nothing but a junkyard of drones with the occasional irradiated corpse and scorched earth in its place.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:27 pm

Manokan Republic wrote: this is a conflict of who to believe


Indeed the central question of our times.

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Gallia- wrote:Given it has two turbine engines that can probably be described as "the t in turbine means titanium" and would make F135 blush, I imagine the roundbois are gonna be around for plenty of years to come.


im glad you picked up on my shilling artificial muscles tho <3


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Postby Manokan Republic » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:31 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:
Manokan Republic wrote: this is a conflict of who to believe


Indeed the central question of our times.

Austrasien wrote:
im glad you picked up on my shilling artificial muscles tho <3


The future will be soft.

Oh God, you're one of... them. Can't we just, all get along? NO FREEMAN!

But anyways, Qanon is not really any single individual group and no particular group of people believe all things from it, it's a loosely affiliated group of 4channers who talk about conspiracy theories, with some of them making more sense than others. Rich people trafficking children in plain sight is real, like with Epstein, or Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulting all those woman, but space nazis on the moon are probably not. I am not a Qanon person or a 4channer, but the media always slaughters it's representation of these people, and never gets it right. That being said, Arabs at war, most major publications, even wikipedia for that matter, are not that terrible of sources of information, or conspiracy theory nonsense, so it's not on that level. If you just don't want to believe any major sources, that's fine, but it's not me who's the conspiracy theorist.
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Postby Manokan Republic » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:39 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Manokan Republic wrote:Hmmm.... well, a tank with torpedo drones mounted on it would work, but a large truck behind it to launch and control them makes a lot of sense to keep it separate. So a drone that is fired off of a tank, combined with a truck that has a bunch of drones on it, so the tank has it's own drones under it's immediate command in addition to the drone swarm army also operating separately from it.

So basically both! :D Use a large tank cannon to fire off atomic shells, ideally in 155mm howitzer form and blam, you have the nuclear powered battletank! A land aircraft carrier that can also go in the water is possible if you made it a hovercraft, so it can go both on the beach and over land. Since it's atomic powered, it would just always hover above the land, and could go both ways, maybe with wheels on it to keep it from moving around too much and allow it to park places. However a bunch of smaller trucks with drones is probably easier to make, rather than one big thing, which would be an easy target for enemy fire. If it's too big, it's too big of a target essentially.

A nuclear powered, amphibious hovercraft carrier. Seems legit.

Now you are talking. How would the tanks recover their drones though? I mean, there ain't no walking out in this weather so I am thinking we'd have to make the engine deck large enough for a crane and a couple small catapults to fit the things. Than again do we even need to recover them? If its just a couple drones per tank we can just drop them and get new ones made later.

I can already picture it. You have a swarm of light picket vehicles of some sort, probably automated or maybe even just long range drones patrolling all around your frontage. These can be remote controlled from HQ or maybe light hovercraft carriers that can zip around the field to keep away from the enemy. When one of them catches sight of the enemy they alert the nearest underground harbor and the battlefleet sorties out to intercept. The heavy truckcarriers launch their combat drones to provide CAP and torpedo attacks whilst tanks and smaller lighter "destroyer" vehicles move out to fight the enemy screen. The tanks deploy their drones to scout and watch the fall of shot as they shoot off atomic 15cm shells just beyond visual range into the melee. All the while a violent air battle between drones is raging overhead at treetop level. And either one side breaks through and starts nuking the enemy carriers or one side breaks off and flees for the safety of their reinforced harbor that probably has like lots of automatic 15cm atomic turrets or something sitting around to defend it. And so the battle ends leaving nothing but a junkyard of drones with the occasional irradiated corpse and scorched earth in its place.


Well if they are air-launched drones, I imagine they'd rest on the surface of the tank, however, side ramps they can drive up on makes a lot of sense, so they can get on top of the tank. The tank can be used to recharge the drones, especially if it's nuclear powered, and then they can swam around the battlefield randomly attack enemy APC's to disrupt the enemy's movements. The same side ramps can also be used to intercept incoming projectiles, and act as spaced armor by moving in front of the bullet before it hits the tank. So like, you could have mobile-armor that moves in front of the enemy bullets before they strike, adding extra armor in that one spot, but not over the entire vehicle. There's a couple of different ways to design such a form of armor, one may be like a fan blade, one may be where it rotates around the turret and it moves after it detects an incoming strike. You would still want a certain amount of base armor in case it misses, of course. So instead of a force field you have, like a little rectangle of armor that spins around the tank right before a round comes towards it.

But yes! Total war, amphibious aircraft carriers, nuclear artillery tank rounds. Seems legit to me.


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Postby Manokan Republic » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:46 pm

Gallia- wrote:central park is a literal ant farm of homeless child sex orphans trafficked by donald trump and bill clinton and harvey epstein

Yes, but we aren't supposed to talk about it for some reason. Bill Clinton pardoning various pedophiles and FALN terrorists in his last day of office, combined with the fact he went to Epstein's island 26 times is pretty crazy, but again, it doesn't conclusively prove anything. These FALN terrorists also tried to kill George Bush and Jimmy Carter, Clinton's biggest adversaries at the time. Epstein dying in prison when all his cameras went out right before and all the guards were gone, is possibly just a coincidence.

Since this is veering off topic, again not something I chose to do bear in mind, I'll get in back on topic and flip this back on track by saying Bill Clinton also refused to act during the Rwandan genocide, and let a million people die first. Decisive political action has more value in military effectiveness than raw equipment, and I think Vietnam and other conflicts are pretty good examples of that, which is something that is often overlooked. The politics of the day influences battle probably more than people like to think. The cult of machine gun comes in to mind, or the "Reformists" and other such groups. Another thing was Bill Clinton gave missile technology to China. How quickly one's own nation's security can be undermined by politics is staggering. The biggest example to this day is still likely when the soviets stole nuclear technology from the U.S. in 1948. This is likely single handedly responsible for the existence of the entire cold war, instead of the U.S. just steamrolling Russia after WWII. So politics and espionage still have a bigger impact on war today than just straight up weapons. At the end of the day, you can't account for what random people in your own nation will do, and this is why military forces can vary so broadly in capabilities despite technological or material advances. If some random politician in your country just decides to release random terrorists from prison, an effective military or police operation won't really matter. Like with the various calls to shut down Guantanamo bay, you can't really ignore the sway of politics.
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:50 pm

Why is that sort of discussion in here?
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Postby Manokan Republic » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:54 pm

The Manticoran Empire wrote:Why is that sort of discussion in here?

Someone else brought it up, I'm trying to bring it back to a relevant discussion. To be realistic in military affairs, you have to take in to account various political factors.

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Postby Gallia- » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:59 pm

future warfare trends:

1) casualties will continue to decline as dispersion increases and troop movements become smaller and smaller
2) this will force bigger brains onto soldiers because the benefits of group social interaction in pack hunting tactics will be diminished
3) large blobs of tanks/trucks/motorcycles/infantry (large being defined as "greater than one") will be killed by drones if seen
4) because they are big and have big dust trails it will be easy to spot them
5) revert to walking long distances individually

"conventional" attacks will probably consist of literally a couple guys sneaking into a trench and killing a whole platoon of guys i guess

normal battles will just be one loonie shooting up a courthouse or something and that's a civil war

this follows the trend of diminishing overall casualties

whcih may be a result of (social) overpopulation idk?

genocidal organ would be a good analogy (6 super special forces kill 6000 child soldiers in 6 minutes) if it werent already somewhat outdated and it only came out 3 years ago

then again the super commandos do clear rooms and whole apartment blocks singly and fly around in a giant stealth command center so it's pretty close
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:20 pm

Manokan Republic wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Why is that sort of discussion in here?

Someone else brought it up, I'm trying to bring it back to a relevant discussion. To be realistic in military affairs, you have to take in to account various political factors.

Naturally. Political matters will have a major impact on the operation of a military.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:08 pm

Gallia- wrote:future warfare trends:


Further decline in critical thinking skills will mean future conflicts will be mostly disinformation campaigns, waged as effectively by unsophisticated individuals as by states. A war of fleas acting in unknowing concert to increase mental and moral entropy in their own population.
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Postby Gallia- » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:23 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:
Gallia- wrote:future warfare trends:


Further decline in critical thinking skills will mean future conflicts will be mostly disinformation campaigns, waged as effectively by unsophisticated individuals as by states. A war of fleas acting in unknowing concert to increase mental and moral entropy in their own population.


ye the iq drop of western pops is pretty lame

i guess that is the big one between big countries

RT and Fox News become the two most powerful armies in teh world

i mostly mean the genocide campaigns like artsakh tho
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Postby Triplebaconation » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:26 pm

Spontaneous amplification is much more effective than clumsy state propaganda.

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Postby Danternoust » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:38 pm

This is now a NS Non-Military Non-Realism but True Discussion thread.

I always found it suspicious that since Communist Mississippi stopped posting that there's no conspiracy-tier lens of elite operation on NS RPs.

Unless I missed an RP thread somewhere. Could be loss of interest.




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Postby Austrasien » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:45 pm

Gallia- wrote:future warfare trends:


everything flies sometimes in space

:(
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Postby Danternoust » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:52 pm

Austrasien wrote:
Gallia- wrote:future warfare trends:


everything flies sometimes in space

:(

Laser combat will be at ranges of less than one light second in the future, coil gun combat ranges will be at ranges of less than a tenth of a second that a longrod can travel.

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Postby Triplebaconation » Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:01 pm

Austrasien wrote:
Gallia- wrote:future warfare trends:


everything flies sometimes in space

:(


In the year 2000...after universal adoption of 6.8mm caliber, Tony Williams will begin arguing for his 6.6mm general purpose round.
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