NS Military Worldbuilding Thread No. 12

[Cossack Peoples]

Could you pick apart my write-up for a multirole? Factbook aesthetics, technobabble, anything relevant I might have left out that pilots would probably want? Ignore for a moment the fact that the supposed twin-engine aircraft is portrayed by a very conspicuous single-engine fighter.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

A quadruple sparrow air defense missile launcher.It is monitoring the area to prevent possible attacks

[Gallia-]

wow cute

[Miku the Based]

Could you pick apart my write-up for a multirole? Factbook aesthetics, technobabble, anything relevant I might have left out that pilots would probably want? Ignore for a moment the fact that the supposed twin-engine aircraft is portrayed by a very conspicuous single-engine fighter.

A toilet, autopilot, throwpillow, anti-collision auto-eject éjection seat, and two people so one can focus on guns and the other on flying, it gets hard trying to do both in a fight sometimes.

A quadruple sparrow air defense missile launcher.It is monitoring the area to prevent possible attacks
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Two Child CWIS missile defence system. Searching the skys for Sparrow Missiles.

[Gallia-]

A radar aims the guns in modern airplanes.

It probably has a chemical toilet or catheter in the flight suit. F-15 and F-16 do.

[Cossack Peoples]

Imagine getting on a multi-million-dollar jet as a pilot with thousands of dollars of training invested in you just to pee pee poo poo

just hold it in you disgusting bastard

should've gotten the handle of this sort of thing in basic

[Miku the Based]

Imagine getting on a multi-million-dollar jet as a pilot with thousands of dollars of training invested in you just to pee pee poo poo

just hold it in you disgusting bastard

should've gotten the handle of this sort of thing in basic

Imagine having to deny litteral human nature. A 2-3 day trip round the world with no food water or being allowed to dispose of your waste will leave consipation (and long term negative health effects) and a lowered sense of awareness.
At least the navy understands this and doesn't starve their crew for 3 months in the sea.

[Cossack Peoples]

The navy femboys bring snackies tho

They got room for plumbing too

No dorit-o on F-35-o

Just poop before you lift off

Poop every opportunity you get in the airbase

And I think colorectal cancer is the least of a fighter pilot's concerns when they're being shot at by R-77s

[Triplebaconation]

starting to miss sharifistan

[Radictistan]

starting to miss sharifistan

Would it be a good idea to execute all returning combat veterans so they don't become Freikorps?

[South Americanastan]

Imagine getting on a multi-million-dollar jet as a pilot with thousands of dollars of training invested in you just to pee pee poo poo

just hold it in you disgusting bastard

should've gotten the handle of this sort of thing in basic

Imagine having to deny litteral human nature. A 2-3 day trip round the world with no food water or being allowed to dispose of your waste will leave consipation (and long term negative health effects) and a lowered sense of awareness.
At least the navy understands this and doesn't starve their crew for 3 months in the sea.

I have heard stories of pilots shitting out the bomb bay on some older planes where the bomb bay wasn't completely carpeted with bombs, and considering it's twin engine, that might be possible.

[Cossack Peoples]

guys what don't you understand

characters in fictional powerwanking NS rp don't poo, nor do they pee

they're forces of nature and enactors of the author's will, not detailed persons with nuance that also poo

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But on a more serious note, the Veles's guidance isn't too much, is it? EO/IIR combos are plausible, no?

[The Corparation]

starting to miss sharifistan

Would it be a good idea to execute all returning combat veterans so they don't become Freikorps?

Only if they return without underage war brides and mistresses.

[United Earthlings]

Could you pick apart my write-up for a multirole? Factbook aesthetics, technobabble, anything relevant I might have left out that pilots would probably want? Ignore for a moment the fact that the supposed twin-engine aircraft is portrayed by a very conspicuous single-engine fighter.

I tried to read the write-up, but I got stuck on the part where your nation designed, tested, introduced into service and built almost 200 airframes all within the space of a year. That's like legit super-impressive.

Seriously, does your nation exist in some bubble where Hypertime is a constant? Because that would explain a lot.

[Austrasien]

But on a more serious note, the Veles's guidance isn't too much, is it? EO/IIR combos are plausible, no?

Nothing wrong with the idea. There was EO sidewinder. You wouldn't use a single sensor though. Most likely two sharing a common telescope, with a mirror that is transparent at one wavelength inserted in the path of the light to split it into visible light and infrared light and send it to the respective detectors.

EO seekers can be used for air combat. They are inexpensive and in good daylight conditions can have an extremely long lock-on range. But clear air + good illumination occurs significantly less than half the time (though it depends on the climate and season) so they can only augment a more general-purpose seeker.

[Cossack Peoples]

Could you pick apart my write-up for a multirole? Factbook aesthetics, technobabble, anything relevant I might have left out that pilots would probably want? Ignore for a moment the fact that the supposed twin-engine aircraft is portrayed by a very conspicuous single-engine fighter.

I tried to read the write-up, but I got stuck on the part where your nation designed, tested, introduced into service and built almost 200 airframes all within the space of a year. That's like legit super-impressive.

Seriously, does your nation exist in some bubble where Hypertime is a constant? Because that would explain a lot.

Eh
Peer blame them
Work ethic this
Retcon that
time is irrelevant. (Slight continuity error in that currently my country is not producing any of these new factbook thingies, I'm just writing them in advance and I seem to be setting deadlines too early to finish up a slight prerequisite. That and it's easier to say that we have such and such and sit on it for a while rather than go and edit it every time a truck gets produced.)

[Hinachi]

France's Nexter unveils a 140mm gun and ammunition concept.

The ammunition is telescoped and has a maximum length of 1300mm while achieving 'rods of unparalleled length'. I think existing APFSDS rounds are already effectively telescoped and the round being proposed is just telescoped to a greater extent.

Interestingly the gun only has 'close to 10 MJ' of muzzle energy with potential to scale up to 13MJ, which is relatively low compared to existing 120mm guns (AFAIK Rheinmetall L/44 is about 11 MJ and L55 is about 13 MJ).

[Cossack Peoples]

Were the aspirations of the BAT program feasible? In addition, how well would the system have realistically performed in its intended role?

[Hinachi]

Idk if BAT would've ever worked as intended tho they did turn it into Viper Strike which used laser homing terminal guidance.

I think BAT would've been a lot more future proof than something like SADARM, being essentially a glider rather than a bomblet and thus capable of searching a much larger area for targets while descending. Sensor-fused submunitions like SADARM search a 100-200m radius (SADARM is about ~150m and was meant to attack entire battalions), while terminally-guided submunitions like BAT can search an area 'some 50 times greater' and '500 to 1,000 m wide' based on this document. This would keep it more relevant into the present, where armoured vehicles are fewer in number and operate with greater dispersion.

[Barfleur]

starting to miss sharifistan

Lol if you want I can take his mantle with regard to his repetitive questions. Just don't expect me to roleplay as literal sex traffickers.

Could you pick apart my write-up for a multirole? Factbook aesthetics, technobabble, anything relevant I might have left out that pilots would probably want? Ignore for a moment the fact that the supposed twin-engine aircraft is portrayed by a very conspicuous single-engine fighter.

Sorry for the late reply, but it's a nice plane and a very detailed writeup. It just seems to me, looking at the picture you provided, that the intakes do not fit in with the rest of the plane--the lines, though not "stealthy," as you do a good job mentioning, are very sleek, while the intakes look like something from a 4th gen fighter.

[Austrasien]

Interestingly the gun only has 'close to 10 MJ' of muzzle energy with potential to scale up to 13MJ, which is relatively low compared to existing 120mm guns (AFAIK Rheinmetall L/44 is about 11 MJ and L55 is about 13 MJ).

Penetrator energy probably, not total muzzle energy. 10 to 13 MJ in the penetrator would put it between modern 120mm guns and the old 140mm NATO, and likely on par with the Rheinmetall 130mm gun.

Were the aspirations of the BAT program feasible? In addition, how well would the system have realistically performed in its intended role?

Conceptually it was sound. Brimstone has a very similar mode of operation in the general sense of searching a large box for a target, and IIR seekers generally outperform MMW seekers in target detection. The very large search footprint of the munition would be a disadvantage though because in practice it would likely have been easily distracted by nuisance noises and low-value targets. I doubt it could be used effectively near a populated area. It didn't perform very well in tests apparently.

The acoustic seeker could be discarded entirely and replaced with GPS/INS guidance and augmented with a SAL seeker. It's very large search footprint is a holdover from the pre-Desert Storm era when it was expected attacks on distant targets would have an extremely large aimpoint uncertainty.

Most PGMs from the late cold war assumed a barrage mode of employment; the target would be observed, a call for fire would be placed and a few minutes later a large number of anti-armor munitions would arrive to destroy armoured vehicles in the vicinity. Like indirect fire and area bombing it was not expected the launcher would have eyes on target. In actual practice plinking, where the target is observed continually from the launcher and guided to the target directly, has proved a much more effective way to engage armoured vehicles with PGMs. The critical difference is when plinking there is almost no uncertainty in the location of the target at any time, so the capability to search very large baskets is at best superfluous. Best results are achieved when the munition does not attempt to search at all, the GPS/INS+SAL seeker remains the single most consistently useful.

[Cossack Peoples]

Yeah I felt that "acoustic homing" in the wide terrestrial world of war might have been a bit spotty

But like how it was intended to be deployed from ATACMS, it'd be feasible to have more of the submunitions on a larger, more traditional ballistic missile, no? Something more Iskander- and Tochka-sized.

[Austrasien]

But like how it was intended to be deployed from ATACMS, it'd be feasible to have more of the submunitions on a larger, more traditional ballistic missile, no? Something more Iskander- and Tochka-sized.

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusr ... eaker.html

Yes. Though the actual utility of this kind of weapon is extremely limited. There will be a lot more opportunities to engage small numbers of targets, 1-3, than to engage 10, 20 or more packed into a small area.

The US used 88 CBU-105 and 2 WCMD in Iraq in 2003, each of which deploys 40 sensor-fused Skeet submunitions, but this didn't kill anything like 3600 vehicles. The SADARM (which is functionally very similar to the Skeet) on the other hand, which is packed two to a shell, averaged around one vehicle kill per shell in the same war. Most of the Skeet submunitions simply flew off into space very evidently.

[United Earthlings]

Had the United States Navy decided to reengine some of their older Dreadnoughts into fast battleships, say the Colorado, Tennessee & New Mexico classes, something akin to what the Italians did with the Conte di Cavour and Andrea Doria class battleships, besides replacing the boilers with a more advanced probably superheated type. Would the replacement of the turbo generators with more advanced types have been required or would it have been more cost effective at that point to just replace the entire turbo-electric drive with what the eventual North Carolina class would be equipped with (double helical reduction geared turbines)?

Time Frame for conversion would be starting in 1935/36 with the goal ultimately being to achieve a top speed of somewhere between 25 knots at the lowest end and 28 knots at the highest post engine modification/reconstruction.

[Gallia-]

Why re-engine a shitty old battleship when you can just make new ones though? Which is what the US actually did.

Anyway real fast battleships are 30 knots.