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Postby Gallia- » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:07 pm

Micronesia has fisheries police I guess.

Same with French Polynesia.

Both have colonial overlords to protect them though. There's not much there that matters for anything.
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Postby Crookfur » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:36 pm

Rosmana wrote:I am probably going to replace my main Assault Rifle, ideas welcome.

I chose the SA-80 as a starter because it is British and it's better than most say. :)


Honestly iterms 9f what is available on the RL market your options really some flavour of AR-15 be it from HK, Hemel or one of the various us companies or some flavour 9f AK be it pure Russian or new Israeli flavour.

I suppose the SCAR and the Thales Aussie AUG are options...

No real reason to replace the SA80 unless you haven't put the upgrades and life extensions into them in which case they are likely falling to bits as new ones haven't been produced since the early 90s IIRC.
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Postby Miku the Based » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:05 pm

Would you make this the standard issue for all troops of your nation?
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Postby Langenia » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:20 pm

Is it possible to integrate Russian military hardware, for example, SAMs, with American military hardware, for instance, warplanes? Or are the two just not compatible?
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Postby Fuso- » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:27 pm

Langenia wrote:Is it possible to integrate Russian military hardware, for example, SAMs, with American military hardware, for instance, warplanes? Or are the two just not compatible?

Why?

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Postby Langenia » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:30 pm

Fuso- wrote:
Langenia wrote:Is it possible to integrate Russian military hardware, for example, SAMs, with American military hardware, for instance, warplanes? Or are the two just not compatible?

Why?


I'm curious about it. I've heard that the S-400 and F-35 are simply not compatible, and I was thinking it would be cool to have the two in my military. But from what I've read it seems impossible, and I was wondering what someone else would say, in addition to the sources I've found.
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Postby Cossack Peoples » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:37 pm

Langenia wrote:
Fuso- wrote:Why?


I'm curious about it. I've heard that the S-400 and F-35 are simply not compatible, and I was thinking it would be cool to have the two in my military. But from what I've read it seems impossible, and I was wondering what someone else would say, in addition to the sources I've found.

I think you might be referring to how countries with candidacy for the S-400 system are never the ones with a chance for any F-35s, which isn't really a problem with any kind of battle management system or the like but more of how the US refuses to have their brand-spanking-new stealth fighter sized up alongside the newest Russian air defense system and risk compromising the integrity of the aircraft that way. Mostly political by the manufacturer of the F-35 than a choice made by the customer.
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Postby Gallia- » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:46 pm

Langenia wrote:
Fuso- wrote:Why?


I'm curious about it. I've heard that the S-400 and F-35 are simply not compatible, and I was thinking it would be cool to have the two in my military. But from what I've read it seems impossible, and I was wondering what someone else would say, in addition to the sources I've found.


Korea does it OK.

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Postby Crookfur » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:53 pm

Cossack Peoples wrote:
Langenia wrote:
I'm curious about it. I've heard that the S-400 and F-35 are simply not compatible, and I was thinking it would be cool to have the two in my military. But from what I've read it seems impossible, and I was wondering what someone else would say, in addition to the sources I've found.

I think you might be referring to how countries with candidacy for the S-400 system are never the ones with a chance for any F-35s, which isn't really a problem with any kind of battle management system or the like but more of how the US refuses to have their brand-spanking-new stealth fighter sized up alongside the newest Russian air defense system and risk compromising the integrity of the aircraft that way. Mostly political by the manufacturer of the F-35 than a choice made by the customer.

Honestly it probably more of a trust issue. To be allowed to buy into f-35 you have to trusted by the partner nations and to go against the general NATO/Western policy of Russian being heavily embargoed by buying their most expensive export toy is a good way to get onto the do not trust list.
Turkey was already on a shakey peg which is why it started budding up to the Russians.

Plenty of Russian and western weapons systems have been used together over the year by the likes of India.
Heck the Indian even had Russian maritime patrol aircraft flying with British missiles on them...
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:22 pm

Any incompatibly is probably software integration issues, and could be overcome with a software solution. Lord knows the US has enough different random systems that need a bespoke software bridge to make them talk to one another reliably. From an NS perspective you can just handwave it away, from a RL perspective it would be hard to know unless you have both systems and a lot of time to do integration testing.
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Postby New Vihenia » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:37 pm

The problem between S-400 and F-35 is mainly political in nature than technical. Same problem happened here in my country, where Su-35 would supposedly live happily together with AMRAAM's and upgraded F-16's which US doesnt like to see.
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Postby Langenia » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:48 pm

Thank you all for your responses, much appreciated!
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Postby Miku the Based » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:57 pm

But for real though, can the IFF feed of a American plane identify the S-400 as a friendly and vice versa?
Can they be linked together like a AWACS could to provide better radar and ECM coverage. Are the computer systems so terribly different to not allow this?
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Postby Triplebaconation » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:19 pm

An IFF interrogator and Link 16 would have to be integrated into the S-400 network. Since this would raise the possibility of sensitive data being intercepted by compromised S-400 systems the US is reluctant to allow this.
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Postby Miku the Based » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:42 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:An IFF interrogator and Link 16 would have to be integrated into the S-400 network. Since this would raise the possibility of sensitive data being intercepted by compromised S-400 systems the US is reluctant to allow this.

Who cares what the US does. We're talking about our own nations. So you're saying it's possible?
Also US not recommending systems be linked over security risks is the same tier of mental handicapped as my hardened gentoo installation being linked to the university network is a "security risk" to the university.
It's me that needs to be worried about a security risk, not whatever run of the mill probably already pozzed Windows server.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:00 pm

Miku the Based wrote:s my hardened gentoo installation being linked to the university network is a "security risk" to the university.
It's me that needs to be worried about a security risk, not whatever run of the mill probably already pozzed Windows server.


Well then, you're obviously more qualified than me to answer your question for the fifth or sixth time on this page.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:03 pm

Are there any major texts on guerilla warfare besides those written by Mao and Che? Thanks for your help in advance.
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Postby Miku the Based » Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:19 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:
Well then, you're obviously more qualified than me to answer your question for the fifth or sixth time on this page.

Well, I don't run AA and radar networks so I have no knowledge on the applicability of it. Installing gentoo doesn't actually give one knowledge about that.


On the other note, gurrella warfare I only really know of mao, many other books are derivations of that book. The ira greenbook is different. Many manuals about the Green beret is a derivation of Mao in some form especially the idea of unit and construction of a unit. I can't think of any striking one offhand. There really isn't much to it when one thinks about it. Maybe history books about certain insurgency might help jog some ideas.
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Postby Puzikas » Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:24 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:Are there any major texts on guerilla warfare besides those written by Mao and Che? Thanks for your help in advance.



If by major you mean not politically motivated total war concept albums as books, sure.

The Soviet Afgan War by the Russian General staff is a literal look by, you know, the Soviet general staff about the shortcomings of the USSR in Afghanistan and the strengths of the Afghan Mujahideen.
Similarly, The Bear Went Over the Mountain and Other Other Side of the Mountain are respectively and analysis of the Soviet and Afgan forces in that war.

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Postby Miku the Based » Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:39 pm

Puzikas wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:Are there any major texts on guerilla warfare besides those written by Mao and Che? Thanks for your help in advance.



If by major you mean not politically motivated total war concept albums as books, sure.

War of The Flea

The US Army field manual of Guerilla Warfare

Mao on guerilla warfare was actually practical and to the point. Sure you have to sit through a polemic of why the chinese nationalists and communists need to unite to defeat the Japanese at the beginning of the book but one can simply ignore that and focus on the doctrine that he laid out. I have no knowledge of Che.

War of the flea was pretty good not gonna lie, I could've sworn I've read the army manual somewhere, may want to do a reread.
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Postby Puzikas » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:33 am

Yeah but Mao was a ornithophobe so that makes him weak

I'm not saying it's a bad book. It's actually an important compendium. I'm just saying his two examples are written by communists (which is fine-communists statistically make the best Guerillas) which likely isn't the best total picture of the conflicts as both are motivated by concepts of total war, something you rarely have in guerilla conflicts
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Postby Rosmana » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:24 am

Crookfur wrote:
Rosmana wrote:I am probably going to replace my main Assault Rifle, ideas welcome.

I chose the SA-80 as a starter because it is British and it's better than most say. :)


Honestly iterms 9f what is available on the RL market your options really some flavour of AR-15 be it from HK, Hemel or one of the various us companies or some flavour 9f AK be it pure Russian or new Israeli flavour.

I suppose the SCAR and the Thales Aussie AUG are options...

No real reason to replace the SA80 unless you haven't put the upgrades and life extensions into them in which case they are likely falling to bits as new ones haven't been produced since the early 90s IIRC.

Ok, I guess I can keep them, thanks! :)
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Postby Gallia- » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:59 am

Miku the Based wrote:
Triplebaconation wrote:
Well then, you're obviously more qualified than me to answer your question for the fifth or sixth time on this page.

Well, I don't run AA and radar networks so I have no knowledge on the applicability of it. Installing gentoo doesn't actually give one knowledge about that.


Sadly it would seem installing Gentoo saps one's knowledge of social mores. ):

New Vihenia wrote:The problem between S-400 and F-35 is mainly political in nature than technical. Same problem happened here in my country, where Su-35 would supposedly live happily together with AMRAAM's and upgraded F-16's which US doesnt like to see.


It's really just because it's Turkey I imagine.

USA has no problems selling F-35 to ROKAF who operate plenty of Russian systems since they were able to get a lot of work for Russian firms in exchange for debt relief in the late 1990's. KM-SAM, the entire BMP-3/T-80U OPFOR battalion (and some replacement parts in 2005), and a few other things are the result. Really makes you think how much the Russians owe Korea.
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Postby Langenia » Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:35 am

New Vihenia wrote:The problem between S-400 and F-35 is mainly political in nature than technical. Same problem happened here in my country, where Su-35 would supposedly live happily together with AMRAAM's and upgraded F-16's which US doesnt like to see.


It's really just because it's Turkey I imagine.

USA has no problems selling F-35 to ROKAF who operate plenty of Russian systems since they were able to get a lot of work for Russian firms in exchange for debt relief in the late 1990's. KM-SAM, the entire BMP-3/T-80U OPFOR battalion (and some replacement parts in 2005), and a few other things are the result. Really makes you think how much the Russians owe Korea.


So you're telling me, that if I went "Forget what the US thinks," somehow managed to get both systems and theoretically avoided the political issues, I could have both systems?
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Postby Gallia- » Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:46 am

Buying F-35 or S-400 is quite literally a "political issue". That's the whole point.

South Korea got KM-SAM because Russia owned them oodles of money from the Cold War. They got two battalions worth of T-80/BMP-3 that they use for aggressor training in 1995 and 2005. They got an IRBM made for them (Hyunmoo-2), and some helicopters (Ka-32s), and could have potentially got an attack helicopter (I think it was a development of Ka-50) too. The USA has very few problems, if any, with selling F-35 to ROKAF because it produces its own equipment and it's not very likely to run off and sell it to the Russians in exchange for industrial assistance. The South Koreans would be helping the Russians with their industry, like they did in the Cold War, and like what got the Russians so indebted to the USSR/Russia in the first place. Now Russia is trying to act like ROK is India and squeeze them for more contracts but the line of debit seems to be running dry.

It's a fairly unique case of an highly industrialized and relatively high performing economy being owed money by a much weaker industrial economy, and leveraging that debt to receive work in specific niches that the weaker industry is known to be good in (rockets, primarily) or have surpluses of (tanks, APCs, helicopters).

OTOH Turkey is probably more likely to sell a single F-35 to Russia, and then take F-35 apart and make their own F-35 with hookers and blow, because Turkey wants to be something akin to South Korea or Japan: a regional industrial powerhouse able to slug it with the big boys in its backyard in terms of tons per steel produced or whatever. That's why most of its defense contracts are generally setup to be technology transfer deals from the UK, USA, ROK, Russia, etc.
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