NS Military Worldbuilding Thread No. 12

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So brigade ADA should reach out to at least 60 klicks these days?

Well, that is about how large an area a brigade covers.

But more importantly, SHORADs alone is not actually air defence because low-altitude penetration is dead, buried and decomposing.

Somebody's gotta blow up the latest cruise missile/PGM memes the Slavs are pumping out and it probs ain't gonna be FIM-92. >.>

[Gallia-]

So brigade ADA should reach out to at least 60 klicks these days?

A rocket that covers 30 km ground range is fine because a brigade will probably have two or three batteries of missiles and associated FCRs attached to it. Kub and Buk are both 30-45 km ground range weapons. Osa is about 30 km. Roland is about 30 km. All of these are '80's division level (50 km frontage) systems, so they're comparable to NASAMS. Conversely a Stryker brigade covers about 30 km in most terrains (European esque) but if it really needs to stretch itself it can pretend to cover around 50 km of frontage in very open, flat terrain like a desert or by just accepting high porosity or something.

Since a division is two up one back (or three up one back) it will be enough. You will want more batteries, maybe six to eight rather than three to four, than a Cold War division but that's doable.

Pretend? Is it still just as expensive as using different platforms?

Much more expensive. There is no common chassis that is suitable for everything without significant modification (and thus, development cost) and unless an Army completely replaces its vehicle inventory every single time a new chassis is introduced (which never happens) the unification isn't.

The T-15 is a good example. The "universal" chassis has at least three major models (tank, IFV, howitzer) with substantial differences between them, and it was introduced alongside the Kurganets and Boomerang. If Russia had gone all the way with it as originally intended they would have unified to just... five separate families of armoured fighting vehicles (T-15, Boomerang, Kurganets, BMD-4, Vityaz) each with variants. And that is excluding the menagerie of TELs for the Army, Air Defense Force and Strategic Rocket Forces.

And as is typical of these grand unification projects they didn't go all the way.

Namer bad. Bradley good.

Tho using engines, roadwheels, and utility tractors (MLRS carrier) is fine and is where the real savings would come from anyway. Stryker uses the same engine as FMTV 5-ton/2.5-ton trucks so they share parts presumably, even if the Stryker has a much more complicated drivetrain at least the powerpack supply chain is benefiting from mass production.

I guess this doesn't translate at all to heavy engines like MTU883 but still, plenty of vehicles use 5-ton or comparable engines fine. A high speed utility tractor like M548 or M113 with the same powerpack as a IFV would probably be OK too, but IFVs are slowly going to MTU883 tier I guess so commonality isn't as important for them anymore.

Well, that is about how large an area a brigade covers.

But more importantly, SHORADs alone is not actually air defence because low-altitude penetration is dead, buried and decomposing.

Somebody's gotta blow up the latest cruise missile/PGM memes the Slavs are pumping out and it probs ain't gonna be FIM-92. >.>

RBS 70 and RBS 23 are OK. Give RBS 23 a passive radar seeker like RIM-116 and it'd be excellent.

[Ideal Britain]

Do the products of cousin marriages make bad infantrymen?

Yes. Why else do you think Israel always ground pounds Arab armies?

Because they have better weaponry, American support and the vile cunning to hide behind their women? Tough guys don't get their sister to fight for them. Also why then is the UAE Army really good (and this is considered true by American generals)?

[Ideal Britain]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html

[Ideal Britain]

Found the answer. It increases risk of problems but still doesn't cause them for the majority: https://www.bradford.gov.uk/media/3276/ ... eaflet.pdf
So you can still recruit the better crop for those communities

[Romextly]

Yes. Why else do you think Israel always ground pounds Arab armies?

Because they have better weaponry, American support and the vile cunning to hide behind their women? Tough guys don't get their sister to fight for them. Also why then is the UAE Army really good (and this is considered true by American generals)?

What do you mean by hiding behind their woman? Womwn have been proven to be very good soldiers

[Gallia-]

Yes. Why else do you think Israel always ground pounds Arab armies?

Because they have better weaponry, American support and the vile cunning to hide behind their women?

Since when have Israeli women engaged in combat operations and not simply rubberstamped cargo/import permits on Jordanian and Egyptian grain trucks moving across the border from the backs of their tanks?

The answer is never BTW, because the IDF keeps women out of combat for obvious reasons. That's why the only female "combat" units are on the least likely to fight borders of Israel.

Reasons Arab lose are actually because Arabs have IQs measured in the double digits and Ashkenazim are the smartest population group in the world and also the majority of IDF ground troops. Shocking, I know, but marrying your first cousin and having kids at 13 or whatever isn't going to ensure stable outcomes for offspring needed to overcome the Arab-Jew IQ gap, which (along with the gap between 5' 11" and 6') is one of the largest gaps in the world, nor is it doing the population any favors when it comes to selecting for big brains.

[Ideal Britain]

Because they have better weaponry, American support and the vile cunning to hide behind their women? Tough guys don't get their sister to fight for them. Also why then is the UAE Army really good (and this is considered true by American generals)?

What do you mean by hiding behind their woman? Womwn have been proven to be very good soldiers

Chivalry towards women is emphasised in the Torah as well as the Bible. Israel is not a Jewish state in the religious sense otherwise the men would go to war and the women would wait for their husbands as described in Judges 5:28-30

[Gallia-]

Imagine not having a class of people who interpret legal texts and declare these interpretations from on high in the ancient law language that binds society together.

Oh...wait.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Imagine not having a class of people who interpret legal texts and declare these interpretations from on high in the ancient law language that binds society together.

Oh...wait.

They only do that selectively. Also if Arabs lose wars because of inbreeding why were they so successful in the middle ages. Also https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... red-states

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Imagine not having a class of people who interpret legal texts and declare these interpretations from on high in the ancient law language that binds society together.

Oh...wait.

They only do that selectively. Also if Arabs lose wars because of inbreeding why were they so successful in the middle ages. Also https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... red-states

There are enough people without birth defects to recruit from: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-23183102

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

What did you do your degree in Gallia? It wasn't history or Islamic studies was it?

[Gallia-]

Imagine not having a class of people who interpret legal texts and declare these interpretations from on high in the ancient law language that binds society together.

Oh...wait.

They only do that selectively. Also if Arabs lose wars because of inbreeding why were they so successful in the middle ages. Also https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... red-states

Medieval warfare required less brain and more brawn, obviously.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

They only do that selectively. Also if Arabs lose wars because of inbreeding why were they so successful in the middle ages. Also https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... red-states

Medieval warfare required less brain and more brawn, obviously.

Because Arabs were dumber than medieval Europeans? Despite having higher literacy rates, better doctors and better military strategy?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What did you do your degree in Gallia? It wasn't history or Islamic studies was it?

He's in Uni. You are in Sixth Form. Don't go speaking down on your elders. In brief: Tameguchi is banned for you.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

What did you do your degree in Gallia? It wasn't history or Islamic studies was it?

He's in Uni. You are in Sixth Form. Don't go speaking down on your elders.

It's not a personal insult, it's asking him his credentials.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

What did you do your degree in Gallia? It wasn't history or Islamic studies was it?

He's in Uni. You are in Sixth Form. Don't go speaking down on your elders. In brief: Tameguchi is banned for you.

Also my father went to a Russel Group (British equivalent of Ivy League) university.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

He's in Uni. You are in Sixth Form. Don't go speaking down on your elders.

It's not a personal insult, it's asking him his credentials.

In brief: Tameguchi is banned for you.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

It's not a personal insult, it's asking him his credentials.

In brief: Tameguchi is banned for you.

According to?

[Gallia-]

Medieval warfare required less brain and more brawn, obviously.

Because Arabs were dumber than medieval Europeans? Despite having higher literacy rates, better doctors and better military strategy?

Were they really smarter though?

Short term (relatively) gains from Arabs conquering more prosperous nearby states and assimilating them into its tax structures. Rome had the same sort of "golden age" and collapsed similarly because it was fundamentally a slave taking kleptocracy designed to drain wealth rather than produce wealth. Once it stops expanding, it stops taking (Romans and Arabs alike never heard of continuous public works programs I guess, nor the saying "coups are lame"), and so it starts to collapse and contract.

Before people invented bureaucracies this wasn't terribly uncommon a fate for large nations, but that was invented by the English arguably, and either way required rather big brains to both invent and implement properly. Probably explains why the literal medieval style cliques of tribes and confederations of such are easily bombed and destroyed from the air by European-style bureaucracies, and are otherwise reliant entirely (economically, militarily, technologically, calorically, etc.) on European-style bureaucracies that they cannot hope to emulate to any significant extent.

Simply put, eras before the early modern one typified by post-English Civil War thinking of post-medieval Europe likely hadn't changed substantially since the age of Ur and Sumer, when societies were less complex, less difficult to comprehend intellectually, and people probably weren't much dumber than some of the dumber groups that exist today. Then some people with population average IQs measured in the triple digits had to invent impersonal bureaucracy and farm taxation and ruin it for the Arab-Islamic world. Funny how the only other people to invent impersonal bureaucracies are the other group of people whose population average IQ is around 105-107 as measured against a Scandinavian-American group average IQ on WAIS-IV.

OTOH it seems the smartest Arabs in the world, Iraqis, were the best at managing a bureaucratic state (even if it wasn't independently invented, maybe an IQ of 90 is adequate for a functional civil service). Then some buffoons had to show up, bomb it silly, and dismantle it wholesale and all that knowledge was last. Sad.

e: Holy fuck am I in a dissociative mood atm sorry if that seems incoherent but I literally cannot feel my fingers type.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Can we go back to surface to air missiles now or do we have to spend the next five pages spamming memes about how the Arabs suck at war?

[Gallia-]

It's not a personal insult, it's asking him his credentials.

In brief: Tameguchi is banned for you.

ur more like a tame-kyuuti :3

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Can we go back to surface to air missiles now or do we have to spend the next five pages spamming memes about how the Arabs suck at war?

Thank you

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Can we go back to surface to air missiles now or do we have to spend the next five pages spamming memes about how the Arabs suck at war?

Thank you

That goes for you too. Especially you.

[Ideal Britain]

What strategies were used in the Soviet-Afghan War by the Afghans?