Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:lmao cant wait for the soldier's soviets, and aristocrats adorning lampposts.
most Sharifistani soldiers are good people they would never do such a thing.
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by Ideal Britain » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:40 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:lmao cant wait for the soldier's soviets, and aristocrats adorning lampposts.
by Eukaryotic Cells » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:05 am
Altpeak wrote:Do man-packed .50 cal machine guns still have a place in a modern infantry battalion? In the context of a battalion machine gun platoon, the range and power of a .50 cal makes some sense but for the most part, it looks like how heavy they are and how little ammo the team would actually be able to carry for them negates those advantages that the larger caliber would bring to a leg infantry unit.
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:10 am
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:13 am
by Purpelia » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:36 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I wonder how many Soviet advisors tore their hair out over literally inbred buffoons the Arab states were appointing as officers.
Edit: The Arab Military Academy ladies and gents.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:40 am
Purpelia wrote:Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I wonder how many Soviet advisors tore their hair out over literally inbred buffoons the Arab states were appointing as officers.
Edit: The Arab Military Academy ladies and gents.
Why should they care? A teacher teaches. If his students don't learn anything he still did his job. If anything dumb students are better because they don't ask so many questions.
by Purpelia » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:17 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Purpelia wrote:Why should they care? A teacher teaches. If his students don't learn anything he still did his job. If anything dumb students are better because they don't ask so many questions.
Yes and then you get rekt by the Israelis not once, not twice, not even thrice but four times in a row. And then you get rekt by America.
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:19 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Purpelia wrote:Why should they care? A teacher teaches. If his students don't learn anything he still did his job. If anything dumb students are better because they don't ask so many questions.
Yes and then you get rekt by the Israelis not once, not twice, not even thrice but four times in a row. And then you get rekt by America.
by Eukaryotic Cells » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:21 am
Purpelia wrote:Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Yes and then you get rekt by the Israelis not once, not twice, not even thrice but four times in a row. And then you get rekt by America.
And how is that the teachers problem? Last time I checked they'd have gone back to the Soviet Union long before any of that mess happened.
by The New California Republic » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:24 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Purpelia wrote:Why should they care? A teacher teaches. If his students don't learn anything he still did his job. If anything dumb students are better because they don't ask so many questions.
Yes and then you get rekt by the Israelis not once, not twice, not even thrice but four times in a row. And then you get rekt by America.
by Purpelia » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:25 am
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:I suppose it depends on your view of what a teacher's goals should be.
Are you teaching these people so that you can collect a paycheck and go home, or are you teaching them because you want them to actually learn something?
At a higher level, what is the strategic mission of the organization that the teacher works for?
by Gallia- » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:30 am
Purpelia wrote:Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Yes and then you get rekt by the Israelis not once, not twice, not even thrice but four times in a row. And then you get rekt by America.
And how is that the teachers problem? Last time I checked they'd have gone back to the Soviet Union long before any of that mess happened.
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Yes and then you get rekt by the Israelis not once, not twice, not even thrice but four times in a row. And then you get rekt by America.
Oh yes how tough Israel is.
If Israel was a man he’d be the guy who hides behind his girlfriend in a fight.
(Reference to the conscription of women)
by The New California Republic » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:35 am
Purpelia wrote:[...] randomarabstan [...]
by Eukaryotic Cells » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:47 am
Purpelia wrote:Eukaryotic Cells wrote:I suppose it depends on your view of what a teacher's goals should be.
Are you teaching these people so that you can collect a paycheck and go home, or are you teaching them because you want them to actually learn something?
Remember the context here. These are military instructors that have been ordered to go to randomarabstan that they don't care about and probably couldn't point out on a map. Would you care?At a higher level, what is the strategic mission of the organization that the teacher works for?
Who cares? As long as you get paid that's all that matters.
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:48 am
Purpelia wrote:Eukaryotic Cells wrote:I suppose it depends on your view of what a teacher's goals should be.
Are you teaching these people so that you can collect a paycheck and go home, or are you teaching them because you want them to actually learn something?
Remember the context here. These are military instructors that have been ordered to go to randomarabstan that they don't care about and probably couldn't point out on a map. Would you care?At a higher level, what is the strategic mission of the organization that the teacher works for?
Who cares? As long as you get paid that's all that matters.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:59 am
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Purpelia wrote:Remember the context here. These are military instructors that have been ordered to go to randomarabstan that they don't care about and probably couldn't point out on a map. Would you care?
Who cares? As long as you get paid that's all that matters.
I mean, that's one point of view. If many people within your foreign internal defense/military instruction program have this sort of philosophy, the effectiveness of the program as a whole might be impacted. I suppose it depends upon the level of professionalism within the organization.
I'm not a military instructor or anything of the sort, but taking pride in your work and striving for excellence is an important part of being a professional, in my opinion.
by Gallia- » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:02 am
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Purpelia wrote:Remember the context here. These are military instructors that have been ordered to go to randomarabstan that they don't care about and probably couldn't point out on a map. Would you care?
Who cares? As long as you get paid that's all that matters.
I mean, that's one point of view. If many people within your foreign internal defense/military instruction program have this sort of philosophy, the effectiveness of the program as a whole might be impacted. I suppose it depends upon the level of professionalism within the organization.
I'm not a military instructor or anything of the sort, but taking pride in your work and striving for excellence is an important part of being a professional, in my opinion.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:13 am
by Almadaria » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:15 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:And now onto something completely else (topic and all since it's more geopolitics and just war theory) since it's Aug 15th and all...
What if sanctions are acts of war? *thinking*
by The New California Republic » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:08 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The Soviet instructors sent to the Middle East were probably pretty competent. The problem was that their students were culturally incapable of learning anything beyond rote memorisation.
by Ideal Britain » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:16 am
Gallia- wrote:Purpelia wrote:And how is that the teachers problem? Last time I checked they'd have gone back to the Soviet Union long before any of that mess happened.
Bad teachers teaching bad ideas.
That said, Soviet advisors were mostly teaching mechanical maintenance and small unit battle drills, which don't matter much at all. Judging by the performance of the Syrian Army in the very opening stages of the civil war, these basic practices have been mostly ingrained, at least before the Soviet trained and subsequently trained troops were all killed or whatever. Any failures tended to be a result of the unique demographics and economic circumstances of the Arab-Israeli conflicts that weren't addressed by their leaders. Shazly's losses in Yom Kippur would probably not have mattered to a Soviet TVD because it would have another 10,000 tanks to throw into the fight and press the enemy with. In contrast, the much smaller Egyptian Army could be defeated entirely in a single decisive battle.
Soviet ideas were built around the idea of being able to just eat massive losses in manpower and machines in nuclear combat in Europe, while minimizing losses in the very specific circumstances that simply didn't apply outside of a rerun of WW2 where the initial attack is led by a huge alpha strike of fighter-bombers and nuclear missiles by the TVD's independent aviation and rocket artillery brigades.
When the Egyptians were attacking with their mechanized formations they acquitted themselves well enough, but when fighting defensively they were extremely inadequate, as they lacked entirely any sort of air cover. And of course, the contemporary Soviet solution to the Golan Heights would have been a mass nuclear barrage to break the defenders. Lacking both capacity for large air attacks (no planes) and nuclear weapons (no IRBMs), which are the two most important parts of what makes Soviet military equipment work adequately, the Arabs were more or less doomed to lose.
They were also probably genuinely stupider than Israelis and possibly fleeing a lot, but that's more of a Iraq 1991 thing than a Yom Kippur thing (or any Arab war, really). The traditional Arab method is more like "throw battalions at a problem until you find yourself out of battalions and the problem persists", because these countries are very little in demographic-economic size and Israel punches well above its weight in both aspects, possessing both nuclear weapons and substantial manpower-economic capacity. Blindly copying a superpower's ideas instead of forging ahead with your own ideas and thoughtforms is a problem shared between Arabs and Europeans, actually. Why put in all the effort of seriously analyzing your economic-demographic position and likely enemies when you can simply be dragged around/dominated by the thoughts and ideas of the nearest big country.
If the Soviets were good teachers they would have said "I'm not teaching you this, figure it out on your own" and moved on.
Then Egypt and Syria would have either been conquered by Israel or developed nuclear weapons and domestic tank production and conquered Israel.Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Oh yes how tough Israel is.
If Israel was a man he’d be the guy who hides behind his girlfriend in a fight.
(Reference to the conscription of women)
kids these days be like "hippity hoppity female literacy is now illegal"
by Barfleur » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:31 am
by New Vihenia » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:39 am
by Gallia- » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:48 am
Barfleur wrote:Sharifistan: Noooooo you can't just give women equal responsibility to serve in the army since they have equal rights as citizens! You're a cowardly girly man!
Israel: Hahaha merkava go brr
New Vihenia wrote:So i watched this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8lyHMSBGOo
And i'm curious if there was ever an attempt to make a shipborne version of that Brennan Torpedo ?
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