Your Nation's Air Force [MKI]

[Saraban Cortolrol 2]

We are currently using this, the "Ho-Arkey" as civilians like to call it, it uses advanced stealth technology to blend in with the background, Similar to chameleons with their skin

[Hurtful Thoughts]

thats a weird way to say rafale

Odd way of saying F-5 FREEDOM FIGHTER. Seriously name one other 'Western Fighter awesome and sexy enough to be named after Freedom. however unlike actual Freedom its cheap and easy to maintain. That said expect to get your ass beat if you haul one out in NS World.

*cough*

Used a few of those against the Pudites, alongside some F-4H.

The first wave of Pudites never made it back alive.

[Pharthan]

Looking to design a new ground-attack/air support aircraft, fighter sized. Essentially like the A-10. Everyone LOVES the GAU-8, but I'm not convinced it's really worth it anymore against modern armor. Any suggestions? I did figure out I've got enough space in there for a 6-weapon rotary bay. Potentially even large enough to carry internal Tomahawks, but that would make for a massive sacrifice of fuel-space that I just don't want to make. Not to mention the weight. (Not to mention: a smaller aircraft carrying tomahawks internally? Ridiculous.)

So far I've decided on a forward-swept wing, top-mounted engines (to help hide heat signature and protect from ground-fire) and intakes with a smaller chin-mounted air-intake to compensate for the top-intakes meaning it would have a terrible AOA. It's got twin-booms, sort of P-38 style, mounted on the wings about 1/3 of the wingspan down, terminating in a box-wing tail section connecting the booms together, one section of the wings angling up and over the tail of the aircraft, one below, both meant to disrupt the airflow of the exhaust to further mask the head signature.

It's not meant to be all that fast; I understand nothing about it spells out "speed."
I've actually got a lot of the artwork done for the side-view.

If a forward-swept design is too ridiculous, I can change that with relative ease.

[Vitaphone Racing]

To be honest, fixed wing close air support aircraft are obsolete. Try pairing attack helicopters with F-111-style strike aircraft and F-16 style multirole. Completely removes the need for A-10s.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

To be honest, fixed wing close air support aircraft are obsolete. Try pairing attack helicopters with F-111-style strike aircraft and F-16 style multirole. Completely removes the need for A-10s.

In my context, from my own arsenal, utilising Su-25s alongside Ka-52 attack helicopters in addition to MiG-35s would be plausible?

[Galla-]

Su-25 primarily relies on long-range PGM capability, not strafing, so it would be a far better choice for CAS than some planes.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Su-25 primarily relies on long-range PGM capability, not strafing, so it would be a far better choice for CAS than some planes.

Thank you.

[Pharthan]

To be honest, fixed wing close air support aircraft are obsolete. Try pairing attack helicopters with F-111-style strike aircraft and F-16 style multirole. Completely removes the need for A-10s.

Then I'll probably make it an Naval Electronic Warfare/Attack instead of Close Air Support. I had intended that to be a variant of it, anyway. I'd presume it would also benefit from adding some additional Strike capabilities; any suggestions? All I can think of right now is to move it from swept wing to a cranked arrow.

[Atlantica]

Hey, I was just reading through why South Korea favored the F-15K Slam Eagle (an upgraded, Korean variant of the F-15E Strike Eagle), over the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and the Sukhoi Su-35. I kinda understood why we ditched the Eurofighter Typhoon ('cos that didn't have full ground strike capabilities), but I didn't understand why they would favor the F-15 over the Rafale and the Su-35.

I knew that the F-15 had INCREDIBLE ground strike capabilities, fused with proven air superiority and compatibility with previous weapons the ROKAF had. However, every time the USAF and India go on Red Flag, we always hear the American F-15C/E being defeated by the Indian Su-30's by 9:1 or something. And the Su-35 has incredible upgrades, air superiority capabilities, ensured by state-of-the-art (then) Russian technology.

Why would've South Korea chosen the F-15 over the cheap, cost-effective Su-35? The Su-35 was a whole lot more powerful (with capabilities of launching R-73's, Yakhonts, etc.), a radar that does NOT fall behind the F-15K, incredible dogfight capabilities (even the F-22 RAPTOR would have a hard time against the Su-35...) and a very cheap price (Sukhoi offered about $50 million for each aircraft at the time, while Boeing eventually settled it to over $100 million)...

What do you guys think of this?

[Anemos Major]

Hey, I was just reading through why South Korea favored the F-15K Slam Eagle (an upgraded, Korean variant of the F-15E Strike Eagle), over the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and the Sukhoi Su-35. I kinda understood why we ditched the Eurofighter Typhoon ('cos that didn't have full ground strike capabilities), but I didn't understand why they would favor the F-15 over the Rafale and the Su-35.

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I knew that the F-15 had INCREDIBLE ground strike capabilities, fused with proven air superiority and compatibility with previous weapons the ROKAF had. However, every time the USAF and India go on Red Flag, we always hear the American F-15C/E being defeated by the Indian Su-30's by 9:1 or something. And the Su-35 has incredible upgrades, air superiority capabilities, ensured by state-of-the-art (then) Russian technology.

Why would've South Korea chosen the F-15 over the cheap, cost-effective Su-35? The Su-35 was a whole lot more powerful (with capabilities of launching R-73's, Yakhonts, etc.), a radar that does NOT fall behind the F-15K, incredible dogfight capabilities (even the F-22 RAPTOR would have a hard time against the Su-35...) and a very cheap price (Sukhoi offered about $50 million for each aircraft at the time, while Boeing eventually settled it to over $100 million)...

What do you guys think of this?

Same reason why JASDF chose the F-35 over the Eurofighter and the F-2 over the F-X concept.

[New Vihenia]

Why would've South Korea chosen the F-15 over the cheap, cost-effective Su-35? The Su-35 was a whole lot more powerful (with capabilities of launching R-73's, Yakhonts, etc.), a radar that does NOT fall behind the F-15K, incredible dogfight capabilities (even the F-22 RAPTOR would have a hard time against the Su-35...) and a very cheap price (Sukhoi offered about $50 million for each aircraft at the time, while Boeing eventually settled it to over $100 million)...

What do you guys think of this?

Politics, because SK was traditional buyer of US stuffs and politically tied since Korean War.. Except when SK cooperate with Almaz-Antey in to make Chelomae.

BTW you're South Koreans eh ?... nice to meet you

[Arthurista]

Hey, I was just reading through why South Korea favored the F-15K Slam Eagle (an upgraded, Korean variant of the F-15E Strike Eagle), over the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and the Sukhoi Su-35. I kinda understood why we ditched the Eurofighter Typhoon ('cos that didn't have full ground strike capabilities), but I didn't understand why they would favor the F-15 over the Rafale and the Su-35.

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I knew that the F-15 had INCREDIBLE ground strike capabilities, fused with proven air superiority and compatibility with previous weapons the ROKAF had. However, every time the USAF and India go on Red Flag, we always hear the American F-15C/E being defeated by the Indian Su-30's by 9:1 or something. And the Su-35 has incredible upgrades, air superiority capabilities, ensured by state-of-the-art (then) Russian technology.

Why would've South Korea chosen the F-15 over the cheap, cost-effective Su-35? The Su-35 was a whole lot more powerful (with capabilities of launching R-73's, Yakhonts, etc.), a radar that does NOT fall behind the F-15K, incredible dogfight capabilities (even the F-22 RAPTOR would have a hard time against the Su-35...) and a very cheap price (Sukhoi offered about $50 million for each aircraft at the time, while Boeing eventually settled it to over $100 million)...

What do you guys think of this?

There's also the issue of logistics. F-15Ks and, by extension, the new F-15SE Silent Eagle, are backwards-compatible with all the weaponry that the ROKAF already has in its stockpile. They also probably share a lot of components with existing ROKAF fighters, e.g. engines, sensors and other equipment, so they won't need to train ground crew and maintenance personnel on newfangled hardware.

[San-Silvacian]

Hey, I was just reading through why South Korea favored the F-15K Slam Eagle (an upgraded, Korean variant of the F-15E Strike Eagle), over the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and the Sukhoi Su-35. I kinda understood why we ditched the Eurofighter Typhoon ('cos that didn't have full ground strike capabilities), but I didn't understand why they would favor the F-15 over the Rafale and the Su-35.

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I knew that the F-15 had INCREDIBLE ground strike capabilities, fused with proven air superiority and compatibility with previous weapons the ROKAF had. However, every time the USAF and India go on Red Flag, we always hear the American F-15C/E being defeated by the Indian Su-30's by 9:1 or something. And the Su-35 has incredible upgrades, air superiority capabilities, ensured by state-of-the-art (then) Russian technology.

Why would've South Korea chosen the F-15 over the cheap, cost-effective Su-35? The Su-35 was a whole lot more powerful (with capabilities of launching R-73's, Yakhonts, etc.), a radar that does NOT fall behind the F-15K, incredible dogfight capabilities (even the F-22 RAPTOR would have a hard time against the Su-35...) and a very cheap price (Sukhoi offered about $50 million for each aircraft at the time, while Boeing eventually settled it to over $100 million)...

What do you guys think of this?

The Slam Eagle is designed to be fighter-bomber, its an upgraded F-15E which is meant to be a deep strike aircraft that also happens to AtA. It can use all the weaponry the ROKAF has without modification (Which the Su-35 would need modification, as would a few other the other aircraft offered, at least partly).

Also Red Flag is lol. The Indians don't use their Su-30's radar fully and we don't use AIM-120s. Because you know, it'd be "Look its a 7/11 owner with a fighter jet, Fox 3."

Also lol you think the Su-35 is rly easy to maintain and use just because its Russian? Its a complex and modern fighter aircraft, not some shitty MiG-21. Even the MiG-29 is complex, its a fucking fighter. You'd also have to retrain pilots, teachers and create a whole new program which would have cost more than the purchasing of the F-15K. Plus it would hurt US/ROK relations, with them buying and operating Russian aircraft.

Also the F-15 and F-22 aren't meant to dogfight, I don't see why people think this. The F-15 and F-22 are to go in, launch off their missiles and fly off. They can duke it out to a degree, however they are at a disadvantage.

[The Akasha Colony]

Hey, I was just reading through why South Korea favored the F-15K Slam Eagle (an upgraded, Korean variant of the F-15E Strike Eagle), over the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and the Sukhoi Su-35. I kinda understood why we ditched the Eurofighter Typhoon ('cos that didn't have full ground strike capabilities), but I didn't understand why they would favor the F-15 over the Rafale and the Su-35.

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I knew that the F-15 had INCREDIBLE ground strike capabilities, fused with proven air superiority and compatibility with previous weapons the ROKAF had. However, every time the USAF and India go on Red Flag, we always hear the American F-15C/E being defeated by the Indian Su-30's by 9:1 or something. And the Su-35 has incredible upgrades, air superiority capabilities, ensured by state-of-the-art (then) Russian technology.

Why would've South Korea chosen the F-15 over the cheap, cost-effective Su-35? The Su-35 was a whole lot more powerful (with capabilities of launching R-73's, Yakhonts, etc.), a radar that does NOT fall behind the F-15K, incredible dogfight capabilities (even the F-22 RAPTOR would have a hard time against the Su-35...) and a very cheap price (Sukhoi offered about $50 million for each aircraft at the time, while Boeing eventually settled it to over $100 million)...

What do you guys think of this?

The Su-35 would have added a whole bunch of new hidden costs, such as either purchasing a whole new slew of weapons or modifying it to work with existing stockpiles. Completely retraining crews in a completely unrelated aircraft design by a new company, etc. The other aircraft South Korea operates are all American-made.

And quite frankly, it's been stated before but should be stated again that training exercises really have no bearing on actual fighter performance in an actual conflict. There are far too many things changed, artificial limits imposed, and other factors that make them pretty much useless as an effective gauge of likely combat outcomes.

[Atlantica]

Hey, I was just reading through why South Korea favored the F-15K Slam Eagle (an upgraded, Korean variant of the F-15E Strike Eagle), over the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and the Sukhoi Su-35. I kinda understood why we ditched the Eurofighter Typhoon ('cos that didn't have full ground strike capabilities), but I didn't understand why they would favor the F-15 over the Rafale and the Su-35.

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I knew that the F-15 had INCREDIBLE ground strike capabilities, fused with proven air superiority and compatibility with previous weapons the ROKAF had. However, every time the USAF and India go on Red Flag, we always hear the American F-15C/E being defeated by the Indian Su-30's by 9:1 or something. And the Su-35 has incredible upgrades, air superiority capabilities, ensured by state-of-the-art (then) Russian technology.

Why would've South Korea chosen the F-15 over the cheap, cost-effective Su-35? The Su-35 was a whole lot more powerful (with capabilities of launching R-73's, Yakhonts, etc.), a radar that does NOT fall behind the F-15K, incredible dogfight capabilities (even the F-22 RAPTOR would have a hard time against the Su-35...) and a very cheap price (Sukhoi offered about $50 million for each aircraft at the time, while Boeing eventually settled it to over $100 million)...

What do you guys think of this?

The Su-35 would have added a whole bunch of new hidden costs, such as either purchasing a whole new slew of weapons or modifying it to work with existing stockpiles. Completely retraining crews in a completely unrelated aircraft design by a new company, etc. The other aircraft South Korea operates are all American-made.

And quite frankly, it's been stated before but should be stated again that training exercises really have no bearing on actual fighter performance in an actual conflict. There are far too many things changed, artificial limits imposed, and other factors that make them pretty much useless as an effective gauge of likely combat outcomes.

Well, according to some news article I found on the internet, it said that the KF-16 (the Korean Licensed variant of the F-16C/D), F-4 Phantom and even the F-5E/F Freedom Fighter was able to add onto R-73's and other Russian AAMs, even with minor radar modifications. Or it can be another alternative: the Su-35's can also be capable of holding AMRAAMs, Sparrows, Sidewinders, and other missiles with certain modifications...

[Purpelia]

Well, according to some news article I found on the internet, it said that the KF-16 (the Korean Licensed variant of the F-16C/D), F-4 Phantom and even the F-5E/F Freedom Fighter was able to add onto R-73's and other Russian AAMs, even with minor radar modifications. Or it can be another alternative: the Su-35's can also be capable of holding AMRAAMs, Sparrows, Sidewinders, and other missiles with certain modifications...

That is not nesecerily true. American build weapon mounts and sensors, software etc. might simply be more inherently flexible. Something that you could well expect given that american equipment is meant to be used by NATO forces, all of whom tend to develop indigenous stuff where as Soviet equipment was meant to be bought as is from the single supplier or built on license without too much deviation.

To give you an illustrative example think of it this way. You can fire a 81mm mortar shell out of a 82mm mortar with some modifications. But you can't fire a 82mm shell out of a 81mm mortar. The same logic may apply here.

[Galla-]

Navy:



Army:



Get owned.

[Dutch Ghana]

The Dutch Ghanaian Revolutionary Army Air Force currently operates 27 Chengdu F-7 interceptors of all types (21 F-7PG single-seater and 6 FT-7PG two-seat trainers), as well as 16 Hongdu K-8P advanced trainer/light attack aircraft.

[Ustioas]

A Close tie batween the F-15C and F-16. Stealth Fighters are in low supply.

[Tulmania]

Primary Fighter Craft: F-14D Super Tomcat
Primary Bomber Craft: F-14B Bombcat
Primary Transport Craft: C-130J "Super" Hercules
Primary Attack Helicopter: Mi-24D Hind
Primary Utility Helicopter: UH-1 Iroquois "Huey"

The Tulmanian Airforce is primarily on supporting the Army in it's operations and have yet to find a dire need for heavy bombers. We will maintain secrecy on the exact numbers of our aircraft.

Regarding Naval Fighters, as some here should know, everything I listed aside from the C-130J are aircraft carrier capable.

[San-Silvacian]

i use f-5s

Which will get their assbeat if your opponent fields NS Fighters. I love the F-5 but even if you go with the upgraded Tigershark you're probably going to be outclassed.

Thats why you use F-5s to back up heavier fighters like Mirage 2000s and a Rafales.

[Tulmania]

Which will get their assbeat if your opponent fields NS Fighters. I love the F-5 but even if you go with the upgraded Tigershark you're probably going to be outclassed.

Thats why you use F-5s to back up heavier fighters like Mirage 2000s and a Rafales.

Never forget about the quality of your pilots. They are what make the difference.

[Val Nube]

Primary Fighter Craft: F-14D Super Tomcat
Primary Bomber Craft: F-14B Bombcat
Primary Transport Craft: C-130J "Super" Hercules
Primary Attack Helicopter: Mi-24D Hind
Primary Utility Helicopter: UH-1 Iroquois "Huey"

The Tulmanian Airforce is primarily on supporting the Army in it's operations and have yet to find a dire need for heavy bombers. We will maintain secrecy on the exact numbers of our aircraft.

Regarding Naval Fighters, as some here should know, everything I listed aside from the C-130J are aircraft carrier capable.

Just for the record, the C-130 is carrier capable.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Navy:

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Army:

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Get owned.

By old aircraft?

[Tulmania]

Primary Fighter Craft: F-14D Super Tomcat
Primary Bomber Craft: F-14B Bombcat
Primary Transport Craft: C-130J "Super" Hercules
Primary Attack Helicopter: Mi-24D Hind
Primary Utility Helicopter: UH-1 Iroquois "Huey"

The Tulmanian Airforce is primarily on supporting the Army in it's operations and have yet to find a dire need for heavy bombers. We will maintain secrecy on the exact numbers of our aircraft.

Regarding Naval Fighters, as some here should know, everything I listed aside from the C-130J are aircraft carrier capable.

Just for the record, the C-130 is carrier capable.

Huh I did not know that. Thank you for the insight n.n