Your Nation's Air Force [MKI]

[Arthurista]

Iran punted Saddam down to the sewage pipes during the Iraq - Iran conflict. Saddam during said war was being armed by Western, Pro NATO Latin American juntas, Israel to a certain extent, Turkey, as well as the Gulf Kings whom encouraged him into the war to commence with. Iran gave this Iraqi version of Pahlavi a bloody nose in combat. Iran gained much combat experience from that war, as well as fierceness. It passed its résistance prowess on to Syria, The Lebanese Resistance, etcetera.

Iran should not be shoved aside as insignificant, whence in truth, history remembers well how this determined to survive nation, prevailed.

Of course, the feat of defeating an armed forces that's ill-equipped, ill-trained and all commanded from Saddam himself is something the World never heard of.
Despite Iraqi commanders deferring command unto their clan-leaders and showing almost no initiative whatsoever in 90% of all situations, despite their best tanks being 30-40 year old first generation designs (no, monkey models of monkey model T-72 are not their best tanks), despite substandard training of men and NCO's, Iran-Iraq war turned into a grotesque modern parody of the Somme. It's at best pyrrhic victory.
When your foe is in almost all ways inferior to you and you still fail to achieve anything else but trench warfare then you have lost doctrinally.

On topic, Akasha and Pharthan said most of what I said. I do not know what propaganda people have been deplorably fed but Iran-Iraq war broke pretty much both contestants in dreadful battles of attrition, and was in no way the Glorious Endsieg of the Islamic Republic.

Iraqi generalship wasn't totally bad during that war - after their initial offensive failed, they had the good sense to bunker up and let the fundaloon ayatollahs launch lemmings human wave attacks against trenches and tanks. All Iran did was showcase how religious fanaticism can be exploited to motivate people to march unarmed into minefields. It was a most effective method in disseminating martyrdom complex among the Basij.

I find it quite ironic that Assad, that self-proclaimed secular nationalist and hammer of the fundaloons would cozy up to the archtypical fundaloon regime that is Iran.

The one aspect in which the Iranians surpassed Iraq was air combat. Iranian F-14s worked wonders against Iraqi MiGs and Mirages IIRC.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Of course, the feat of defeating an armed forces that's ill-equipped, ill-trained and all commanded from Saddam himself is something the World never heard of.
Despite Iraqi commanders deferring command unto their clan-leaders and showing almost no initiative whatsoever in 90% of all situations, despite their best tanks being 30-40 year old first generation designs (no, monkey models of monkey model T-72 are not their best tanks), despite substandard training of men and NCO's, Iran-Iraq war turned into a grotesque modern parody of the Somme. It's at best pyrrhic victory.
When your foe is in almost all ways inferior to you and you still fail to achieve anything else but trench warfare then you have lost doctrinally.

On topic, Akasha and Pharthan said most of what I said. I do not know what propaganda people have been deplorably fed but Iran-Iraq war broke pretty much both contestants in dreadful battles of attrition, and was in no way the Glorious Endsieg of the Islamic Republic.

Iraqi generalship wasn't totally bad during that war - after their initial offensive failed, they had the good sense to bunker up and let the fundaloon ayatollahs launch lemmings human wave attacks against trenches and tanks. All Iran did was showcase how religious fanaticism can be exploited to motivate people to march unarmed into minefields. It was a most effective method in disseminating martyrdom complex among the Basij.

I find it quite ironic that Assad, that self-proclaimed secular nationalist and hammer of the fundaloons would cozy up to the archtypical fundaloon regime that is Iran.

The one aspect in which the Iranians surpassed Iraq was air combat. Iranian F-14s worked wonders against Iraqi MiGs and Mirages IIRC.

Iranian air power also had MiGs, in addition to Chinese aircraft, as well as air defence units supplied from the Soviets as well as the Chinese during the conflict, thus it was not just the F-14. Iraq itself had Western armaments, of which it became a massive client of receiving for the army most especially during the war with Iran.

As for the Basij, that group rose to prominence as a response mostly of the genocidal threat that an Iraqi victory would pose against the Iranian people.

Regime? Iran is definitely no regime from 1979 onwards. Its a theocratic democracy, whilst is nothing compared (in fact billions times better) to what Pahlavi the monster was, or what Shah Ismail I was, or what the roving Gulf monarchs are. It has partially succeeded in recovering the democracy it had lost back in 1953.

[San-Silvacian]

Iraqi generalship wasn't totally bad during that war - after their initial offensive failed, they had the good sense to bunker up and let the fundaloon ayatollahs launch lemmings human wave attacks against trenches and tanks. All Iran did was showcase how religious fanaticism can be exploited to motivate people to march unarmed into minefields. It was a most effective method in disseminating martyrdom complex among the Basij.

I find it quite ironic that Assad, that self-proclaimed secular nationalist and hammer of the fundaloons would cozy up to the archtypical fundaloon regime that is Iran.

The one aspect in which the Iranians surpassed Iraq was air combat. Iranian F-14s worked wonders against Iraqi MiGs and Mirages IIRC.

Iranian air power also had MiGs, in addition to Chinese aircraft, as well as air defence units supplied from the Soviets as well as the Chinese during the conflict, thus it was not just the F-14. Iraq itself had Western armaments, of which it became a massive client of receiving for the army most especially during the war with Iran.

As for the Basij, that group rose to prominence as a response mostly of the genocidal threat that an Iraqi victory would pose against the Iranian people.

Regime? Iran is definitely no regime from 1979 onwards. Its a theocratic democracy, whilst is nothing compared (in fact billions times better) to what Pahlavi the monster was, or what Shah Ismail I was, or what the roving Gulf monarchs are. It has partially succeeded in recovering the democracy it had lost back in 1953.

>Iran
>Not corrupted

LOLOLOL

[Estainia]

Guys.

This thread's purpose is to discuss your fictional nation's air force. Not discuss Iran, Iraq or their varying levels of lulzy corruption.

Kk?

[San-Silvacian]

sexy plane

[Elan Valleys]

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[Souriya Al-Assad]

Iranian air power also had MiGs, in addition to Chinese aircraft, as well as air defence units supplied from the Soviets as well as the Chinese during the conflict, thus it was not just the F-14. Iraq itself had Western armaments, of which it became a massive client of receiving for the army most especially during the war with Iran.

As for the Basij, that group rose to prominence as a response mostly of the genocidal threat that an Iraqi victory would pose against the Iranian people.

Regime? Iran is definitely no regime from 1979 onwards. Its a theocratic democracy, whilst is nothing compared (in fact billions times better) to what Pahlavi the monster was, or what Shah Ismail I was, or what the roving Gulf monarchs are. It has partially succeeded in recovering the democracy it had lost back in 1953.

>Iran
>Not corrupted

LOLOLOL

All the governments in this world have some level of corruption, however if we look at Iran, compared to what it was under Pahlavi, its faaar better than it ever was under that bloody Shah, or any other regime before that in its entire history. Iran is at the pinnacle now compared to those times.

The same can be said about the CPC, which is far less of a morass than the Kuomintang ever was, as well as a far greater improvement for China than that quasi-fascist/Capitalist military tyrant twat Chiang Kai Shek, as another example.

As for our own governments in the West, it cannot be denied that we have some massively lolsy money-hungry corrupted morasses in power ourselves, especially since they depend upon donations from corporate or other sneaky diasporas that then have a stake in their politics.

Guys.

This thread's purpose is to discuss your fictional nation's air force. Not discuss Iran, Iraq or their varying levels of lulzy corruption.

Kk?

Yes, it is understood.

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Salute this utter sexiness: Amongst our different fighter aircraft units

[San-Silvacian]

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sexy plane

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remove commie

[Ea90]

only acceptable westernplane

[San-Silvacian]

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only acceptable westernplane

thats a weird way to say rafale

[Ea90]

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only acceptable westernplane

thats a weird way to say rafale

actually i was wrong, but french planes are still unacceptable
anything made by britain is, however

[San-Silvacian]

thats a weird way to say rafale

actually i was wrong, but french planes are still unacceptable
anything made by britain is, however

britian worked with germany to make the eurofighter

automatically suck.

[Ea90]

no u

[Pacifornia]

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only acceptable westernplane

What is it exactly? F-14?

[San-Silvacian]

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only acceptable westernplane

What is it exactly? F-14?

Its an F-16.

Apparently the guy who made that thinks the F-16 could carry AIM-120s, AIM-9s, jam pods, cruise missiles and targeting pods and be able to turn.

[The Holy NeoSpanish Empire]

spain´s imperium flying division

a small resistent helicopter

[Southeastern Xiatao]

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/future_fighters/future_fighter.jpg
El Condor Fighter Jets is our main fighter plane of our nation of Southeastern Xiatao

[Ea90]

Apparently the guy who made that thinks the F-16 could carry AIM-120s, AIM-9s, jam pods, cruise missiles and targeting pods and be able to turn.

turning is overrated

[Arthurista]

How likely is it for a reasonably modern fighter to outmaneouvre a BVRAAM shot from the outer limits of its range envelope?

[Galla-]

Russia has been in the stealth game since the 1980s. The US has been in the game since the 1970s.

I think China actually think it can market its notF-22 when the Russians easily have a better platform thats more advanced and so on.

LOL @ Iran's Zionist killing machine, thats a rly silly thing.

Iran punted Saddam down to the sewage pipes during the Iraq - Iran conflict. Saddam during said war was being armed by Western, Pro NATO Latin American juntas, Israel to a certain extent, Turkey, as well as the Gulf Kings whom encouraged him into the war to commence with. Iran gave this Iraqi version of Pahlavi a bloody nose in combat. Iran gained much combat experience from that war, as well as fierceness. It passed its résistance prowess on to Syria, The Lebanese Resistance, etcetera.

Iran should not be shoved aside as insignificant, whence in truth, history remembers well how this determined to survive nation, prevailed.

As for China, it has been into researching stealth since the 1990s. It's an ally to Russia, an ally to Iran too, whom very much used to work with Moscow on a stealth fighter project that was only cancelled in the 1990s whence the USSR went into prolonged hibernation. Then they have their own military engineers. Then they have their cyber warfare units. Who is to say she could not achieve an accelerated programme?

Iran got its ass kicked initially. \:

[New Vihenia]

How likely is it for a reasonably modern fighter to outmaneouvre a BVRAAM shot from the outer limits of its range envelope?

Still reasonable.

Typical BVRAAM That use rocket motor is likely to have running out all of its propellant in the middle of the way and glie using inertia alone to target and may have lost most of its power to maneuver.

[The Corparation]

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thats a weird way to say rafale

Odd way of saying F-5 FREEDOM FIGHTER. Seriously name one other 'Western Fighter awesome and sexy enough to be named after Freedom. however unlike actual Freedom its cheap and easy to maintain. That said expect to get your ass beat if you haul one out in NS World.

[San-Silvacian]

thats a weird way to say rafale

Odd way of saying F-5 FREEDOM FIGHTER. Seriously name one other 'Western Fighter awesome and sexy enough to be named after Freedom. however unlike actual Freedom its cheap and easy to maintain. That said expect to get your ass beat if you haul one out in NS World.

i use f-5s

[The Corparation]

Odd way of saying F-5 FREEDOM FIGHTER. Seriously name one other 'Western Fighter awesome and sexy enough to be named after Freedom. however unlike actual Freedom its cheap and easy to maintain. That said expect to get your ass beat if you haul one out in NS World.
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i use f-5s

Which will get their assbeat if your opponent fields NS Fighters. I love the F-5 but even if you go with the upgraded Tigershark you're probably going to be outclassed.

[Yes Im Biop]

At current i'm using ubiquitous unknown shaped SCRAM jet's usually fired out of magnetic tunnels for precision high speed strikes. Other than that I have no fucking clue what to do for an Air Force