Your Nation's Air Force [MKI]

[Anemos Major]

I'm just a sucker for a pretty plane and the -2000 is VERY pretty which is why my single seater interceptor will be very 2000ish if i ever get around to doing it..

Clean lines are always nice. The whole Mirage family has those, mind, from the bitsy F1 to the much larger IVP.



The aforementioned fighter (original image is here). A smaller 2000 derivative might be an idea too, mind...

[San-Silvacian]

I'm just a sucker for a pretty plane and the -2000 is VERY pretty which is why my single seater interceptor will be very 2000ish if i ever get around to doing it..

Clean lines are always nice. The whole Mirage family has those, mind, from the bitsy F1 to the much larger IVP.



The aforementioned fighter (original image is here). A smaller 2000 derivative might be an idea too, mind...

tbh French make the prettiest shit ever.

FAMAS, LeClerc, Mirage 2000, Rafael, so on.

[Anemos Major]

tbh French make the prettiest shit ever.

FAMAS, LeClerc, Mirage 2000, Rafael, so on.

Potez 63, Mirage IV, AMX 10 RC and the FT 17 - it's been happening for at least a century.

(Leclerc and Rafale, though)

[Lydenburg]

tbh French make the prettiest shit ever.

FAMAS, LeClerc, Mirage 2000, Rafael, so on.

Potez 63, Mirage IV, AMX 10 RC and the FT 17 - it's been happening for at least a century.

(Leclerc and Rafale, though)

They make the best MREs bar none, as well.

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

Clean lines are always nice. The whole Mirage family has those, mind, from the bitsy F1 to the much larger IVP.



The aforementioned fighter (original image is here). A smaller 2000 derivative might be an idea too, mind...

tbh French make the prettiest shit ever.

FAMAS, LeClerc, Mirage 2000, Rafael, so on.

I'd agree with that statement, but as far as fighters are concerned, in terms of appearence they shoot themselves in the foot with delta wings. I, from an appearence-centric POV, detest delta wings.

[Anemos Major]

I'd agree with that statement, but as far as fighters are concerned, in terms of appearence they shoot themselves in the foot with delta wings. I, from an appearence-centric POV, detest delta wings.

How... how could you?

[Galla-]

tbh French make the prettiest shit ever.

FAMAS, LeClerc, Mirage 2000, Rafael, so on.

France distilled:

[Vitaphone Racing]

Clean lines are always nice. The whole Mirage family has those, mind, from the bitsy F1 to the much larger IVP.



The aforementioned fighter (original image is here). A smaller 2000 derivative might be an idea too, mind...

tbh French make the prettiest shit ever.

FAMAS, LeClerc, Mirage 2000, Rafael, so on.

So where did Renault, Citroen and Peugeot come from then?

[Galla-]

tbh French make the prettiest shit ever.

FAMAS, LeClerc, Mirage 2000, Rafael, so on.

So where did Renault, Citroen and Peugeot come from then?

Citroen DS is a pretty car.

[San-Silvacian]

tbh French make the prettiest shit ever.

FAMAS, LeClerc, Mirage 2000, Rafael, so on.

France distilled:

futur

[Sedikal]

So I've been looking into which ATA missile system I should be using for the Saab JAS 39. I have this list made up but seeing as this is the thread to go for aircraft reference is like your guys opinions on which I should use. I'm looking for a nice mix between modern and affordable.

Rb.74 (AIM-9)
Rb 98 (IRIS-T)
Rb.99 (AIM-120)
MICA
Rb.71 (Skyflash)
Meteor

[Marquesan]

So I've been looking into which ATA missile system I should be using for the Saab JAS 39. I have this list made up but seeing as this is the thread to go for aircraft reference is like your guys opinions on which I should use. I'm looking for a nice mix between modern and affordable.

Rb.74 (AIM-9)
Rb 98 (IRIS-T)
Rb.99 (AIM-120)
MICA
Rb.71 (Skyflash)
Meteor

I found the best in my evaluations to be the iris-t and meteor.

[San-Silvacian]

So I've been looking into which ATA missile system I should be using for the Saab JAS 39. I have this list made up but seeing as this is the thread to go for aircraft reference is like your guys opinions on which I should use. I'm looking for a nice mix between modern and affordable.

Rb.74 (AIM-9)
Rb 98 (IRIS-T)
Rb.99 (AIM-120)
MICA
Rb.71 (Skyflash)
Meteor

You should just use either US/NATO or Russian/Warpac.

[Sedikal]

So I've been looking into which ATA missile system I should be using for the Saab JAS 39. I have this list made up but seeing as this is the thread to go for aircraft reference is like your guys opinions on which I should use. I'm looking for a nice mix between modern and affordable.

Rb.74 (AIM-9)
Rb 98 (IRIS-T)
Rb.99 (AIM-120)
MICA
Rb.71 (Skyflash)
Meteor

I found the best in my evaluations to be the iris-t and meteor.

Thank you for the help, I'll probably go with the IRIS-T since the Meteor is just to new.

[The Akasha Colony]

I found the best in my evaluations to be the iris-t and meteor.

Thank you for the help, I'll probably go with the IRIS-T since the Meteor is just to new.

IRIS-T isn't a replacement for Meteor though. IRIS-T is a SRAAM, while Meteor is a BVRAAM. So you still need some kind of BVRAAM, of which the only other modern one on the list is the AIM-120. That's what's so odd about the list; it has no fewer than three SRAAMs (AIM-9, IRIS-T, and MICA), two modern BVRAAMs (AIM-120 and Meteor), and one outdated MRAAM (Skyflash).

[Sedikal]

Thank you for the help, I'll probably go with the IRIS-T since the Meteor is just to new.

IRIS-T isn't a replacement for Meteor though. IRIS-T is a SRAAM, while Meteor is a BVRAAM. So you still need some kind of BVRAAM, of which the only other modern one on the list is the AIM-120. That's what's so odd about the list; it has no fewer than three SRAAMs (AIM-9, IRIS-T, and MICA), two modern BVRAAMs (AIM-120 and Meteor), and one outdated MRAAM (Skyflash).

It was the fullest list of ATA systems suited for the JAS 39 that I could find. So I should probably be using the AIM-120 for my BVRAAM and keep the IRIS-T for my SRAAM. And other the then according to Wikipedia (shit Source but its what I got) I will also be able to use the AGM-65 Maverick/KEPD 350 for air-to-ground operations and the RBS-15 for Anti-Ship attacks.

[Marquesan]

IRIS-T isn't a replacement for Meteor though. IRIS-T is a SRAAM, while Meteor is a BVRAAM. So you still need some kind of BVRAAM, of which the only other modern one on the list is the AIM-120. That's what's so odd about the list; it has no fewer than three SRAAMs (AIM-9, IRIS-T, and MICA), two modern BVRAAMs (AIM-120 and Meteor), and one outdated MRAAM (Skyflash).

It was the fullest list of ATA systems suited for the JAS 39 that I could find. So I should probably be using the AIM-120 for my BVRAAM and keep the IRIS-T for my SRAAM. And other the then according to Wikipedia (shit Source but its what I got) I will also be able to use the AGM-65 Maverick/KEPD 350 for air-to-ground operations and the RBS-15 for Anti-Ship attacks.

My survey of the fighter-capable missile class came up with some slightly different results.

The superior speed of the Meteor won it over for me, so I ended up using the IRIS-T for short range, Meteor for long range, KDA Joint Strike Missile, developed from the Naval Strike Missile for air-to-ground operations with CAS aircraft using the Denel Mokopa ZT6 for anti-tank duties and PARS3 LR for use in environments with atmospheric obscurants and the anti-radar ground attack role being filled by the CATIC LD-10 variant of the PL-12 missile. That's a bit of a country mix, but I think a determined programmer could get it all to work together effectively. I'm using CVS401 Perseus for standoff/cruise capabilities and a variety of bombs for different purposes.

I designed aircraft to carry these, though, not trying to integrate them with an existing aircraft. Your call, of course, but I'll take the quite superior Meteor over the AIM-120.

[Ljvonia]

Sakalas L-1 (Chengdu J-9)

In 1979 the Ljvonian PAADF (People's Armed Air Defense Force) purchased plans from the People's Republic of China regarding their cancelled Chengdu J-9 Fighter/Interceptor. Within the next 4 years these plans were developed until the "Sakalas" was born: the first natively built fighter/interceptor of the Ljvonian Alliance. Along the next 6 years it replaced our aging MiG-21s as a frontline aircraft.

At a top speed of mach 2.9 while retaining combat mobility until mach 2.4, the Sakalas these days fulfills a rather outdated role as a pure interceptor of the cold war era. The traditional doctrine takes this into effect in rejecting the role of the modern multirole strike airplane in favour of larger bombers escorted by fighters fitted with droptanks. This has been widely critisized as obsolete, though the cost of developing or purchasing a new strike fighter would be immense and has so far extinguished any serious criticism. The role of the bomber to be escorted is filled by the venerable Tupolev Tu-22. There were trials to producec a supersonic refueling method and fitting aircraft (which came to nothing) to maintain full fighter coverage to target and back. Supersonic refueling and the idea of a fully-escorted modern bomber force is something though that Air Marshal Linchevsky has openly advocated as "The way forward in threse troubling times". His opponents have criticized him as "living in the cold war" or being a "wannabe Arthur Harris".

[Elan Valleys]

Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 for general fighter missions.

Mirage 2000D for strike fighter and nuclear missions.

[Galla-]

France distilled:

futur

Get dem commies:

[Ljvonia]

Get dem commies:

(Image)

Looks like the commies are a step ahead here: http://www.guns.com/2011/02/28/russian- ... -launcher/

[Galla-]

Get dem commies:

(Image)

Looks like the commies are a step ahead here: http://www.guns.com/2011/02/28/russian- ... -launcher/

They're ten years late.

Took them long enough to assemble cardboard.

[Elan Valleys]

They look amazingly sleek but they're also badly outperformed by MiG-29s (RL, the Indian Army actually held several mock dogfights with British pilots to test this one out), an aircraft which is my main concern at the moment.

Well depending on exactly which flavour of MiG-29 you would be facing the Mirage 2k coudl happily just sit back and BVR the MiGs to death.

of coruse no NS MiG-29 oeprator utilises anything but the sannziest varient they have heard of and completly ignore the typical MiG-29 oeprator issues i.e. restricted training because the airframe and engine are IIRC very short lifed (as is everything on the -29) high fuel usage and oddly enough smoke trails. To be honest a fully kitted out air defence Mirage-2000 froce with a proper western level amount of training is going to at least be a match for even the most awesome MiG-29 operator ever.

of coruse if you wan tto have fun and develope your own -4000alike then thats even cooler and i woudl encourage that.

I'm just a sucker for a pretty plane and the -2000 is VERY pretty which is why my single seater interceptor will be very 2000ish if i ever get around to doing it..

Mirage is more than just pretty.

[Arthurista]

Well depending on exactly which flavour of MiG-29 you would be facing the Mirage 2k coudl happily just sit back and BVR the MiGs to death.

of coruse no NS MiG-29 oeprator utilises anything but the sannziest varient they have heard of and completly ignore the typical MiG-29 oeprator issues i.e. restricted training because the airframe and engine are IIRC very short lifed (as is everything on the -29) high fuel usage and oddly enough smoke trails. To be honest a fully kitted out air defence Mirage-2000 froce with a proper western level amount of training is going to at least be a match for even the most awesome MiG-29 operator ever.

of coruse if you wan tto have fun and develope your own -4000alike then thats even cooler and i woudl encourage that.

I'm just a sucker for a pretty plane and the -2000 is VERY pretty which is why my single seater interceptor will be very 2000ish if i ever get around to doing it..

Mirage is more than just pretty.

A new-built MiG-29M or MiG-29K, or a thoroughly modernised MiG-29SMT should be more than a match for a Mirage 2000. IIRC they've kicked the smoking engine problem by now, upgraded the radar, given it a glass cockpit and increased internal fuel and combat radius. Armed with R-77s MiG-29s are not bad at BVR. They could be even better if you upgrade them with an AESA radar, say the Zhuk-AE.

[Elan Valleys]

Mirage is more than just pretty.

A new-built MiG-29M or MiG-29K, or a thoroughly modernised MiG-29SMT should be more than a match for a Mirage 2000. IIRC they've kicked the smoking engine problem by now, upgraded the radar, given it a glass cockpit and increased internal fuel and combat radius. Armed with R-77s MiG-29s are not bad at BVR. They could be even better if you upgrade them with an AESA radar, say the Zhuk-AE.

Dassault further improved the Mirage 2000-5, creating the Mirage 2000-5 Mark 2 which is currently the most advanced variant of the Mirage 2000. Enhancements to offensive systems included a datalink for the targeting of MICA ER missiles, the addition of the Damocles FLIR targeting pod, and a newer, stealthier Thales RDY-2 all-weather synthetic aperture radar with moving target indicator capability, which also grants the aircraft improved air-to-ground capability. The avionics were further updated with higher resolution color displays, an optional Topsight helmet-mounted display, and the addition of the Modular Data Processing Unit (MDPU) designed for the Rafale. A new Thales Totem 3000 inertial navigation system with ring laser gyroscope and GPS capability was added, providing much greater accuracy, higher reliability, and shorter alignment time than the older ULISS 52 navigation system which it replaced. Other upgrades included the addition of an on-board oxygen generation system (OBOGS) for the pilot and an ICMS 3 digital countermeasures suite.

Further planned upgrades will include Thales AIDA visual identification pod, a GPS receiver, MIDS datalink, new long-range sensors, and the Topsight E helmet-mounted display. Other technology developed for the Rafale will also be integrated into the Mirage 2000, including infrared and optical sensors for IFF and targeting.

I think that it'd come down to the pilot.