Your Nation's Air Force [MKI]

[Mikedor]

Hawker Hurricane shot down more planes during Battle of Britain

The Mosquito was pretty good, as was the Thundercat.

source or die.

It is estimated that its pilots were credited with four-fifths of all enemy aircraft destroyed in the period July-October 1940.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/hurricane.html

In the hands of a skilled pilot, the Hurricane could achieve great success. In fact during the Battle of Britain between July and October 1940, 1.720 of them took part and had the honour of claiming 80% of enemy aircraft shot down by Fighter Command.

http://www.battleofbritain1940.net/0010.html

I will admit that the Spitfire was prettier, however.

[Arkinesia]

Well, you know, as long as my Shuriken pilots aren't in front of that thing, it's roasted. Because the Nosferatu would be the Wyvern's/Shuriken's whipping boy.

Clearly your pilots have never engaged ours. Having the best equipment is one thing, knowing how to use it is another.

Well we put the majority of our quickest-thinking and quickest-learning fighting men in the Air Force, take from that what you will.

Also we've been using it since calendar year 2005. There was an early trainers program about three years prior to introduction so that at least 25 pilots would have logged 250 hours in them before they were introduced.

Again, take from that what you will.

[Satirius]

source or die.


http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/hurricane.html

http://www.battleofbritain1940.net/0010.html

I will admit that the Spitfire was prettier, however.

also stelf-ish

[Mikedor]

I will admit that the Spitfire was prettier, however.

also stelf-ish

Hurricane had wood and canvas construction apart from the wings/engine. Makes it stealthier. And easier to repair, which during the BoB was important.

[St George of England]

also stelf-ish

Hurricane had wood and canvas construction apart from the wings/engine. Makes it stealthier. And easier to repair, which during the BoB was important.

the spitfire was the better plane over the whole war. there were periods where it was outperformed by the hurricane and by certain german planes but over the whole war the spitfire was the best.

[Techno-Kat]

To be fair, the AC-130 excels at what it does. However it is not a fighter or bomber.

Anything that can be shot down by your average infantryman with technology from the 80s is a waste of money...Sentenial Gunships are reserved to helicopters.

itt: F-22 is a waste of money

[Ramsetia]

Anything that can be shot down by your average infantryman with technology from the 80s is a waste of money...Sentenial Gunships are reserved to helicopters.

itt: F-22 is a waste of money

Technically a whole airforce would be a waste of money. It might take extreme luck and circumstances, but any modern aircraft will still react badly to an RPG

[Sciox]

itt: F-22 is a waste of money

Technically a whole airforce would be a waste of money. It might take extreme luck and circumstances, but any modern aircraft will still react badly to an RPG

Please an rpg would be lucky to get halfway to a modern fighter and during the Northern Edge exercise in 2008 12 f-22s downed 108 adversaries with no losses, that was just over a third of the total blue force kills (241) during two weeks of exercises. Beleive me cancelling the F-22 is one the worst mistakes made by the US government, we'll see just how tough those F-35s are against the Pak Fa.

[Mikedor]

Hurricane had wood and canvas construction apart from the wings/engine. Makes it stealthier. And easier to repair, which during the BoB was important.

the spitfire was the better plane over the whole war. there were periods where it was outperformed by the hurricane and by certain german planes but over the whole war the spitfire was the best.

And the Hurricane MkIIA and Hurribombers remained viable in the Far East. Different horses for different courses, as they say.

[Ramsetia]

Technically a whole airforce would be a waste of money. It might take extreme luck and circumstances, but any modern aircraft will still react badly to an RPG

Please an rpg would be lucky to get halfway to a modern fighter and during the Northern Edge exercise in 2008 12 f-22s downed 108 adversaries with no losses, that was just over a third of the total blue force kills (241) during two weeks of exercises. Beleive me cancelling the F-22 is one the worst mistakes made by the US government, we'll see just how tough those F-35s are against the Pak Fa.

Note that I said extreme luck and circumstance. Personally, I think selecting the '22 over the '23 was the biggest mistake.

[Rarth]

http://outofcentralasianow.files.wordpr ... und_lg.jpg
Yah its an unmanned aircraft, this Shadow drone is launched from a command carrier along with maned fighters to tackle all situations when battling in the sky. If you see one of these there is at least 49 more.

[Arkinesia]

Technically a whole airforce would be a waste of money. It might take extreme luck and circumstances, but any modern aircraft will still react badly to an RPG

Please an rpg would be lucky to get halfway to a modern fighter and during the Northern Edge exercise in 2008 12 f-22s downed 108 adversaries with no losses, that was just over a third of the total blue force kills (241) during two weeks of exercises. Beleive me cancelling the F-22 is one the worst mistakes made by the US government, we'll see just how tough those F-35s are against the Pak Fa.

You're acting like the F-35 (a fifth-gen fighter) will even face a Sukhoi T-50 (a 4.5+-gen fighter, i.e. inferior). First of all, the chances of that are nil, secondly, the F-35 will be more likely to carry BVRAAMs than the T-50 will.

The F-22 was a waste. That said, so was the F-35. We should have invested in the far cheaper, equally qualified (alllllright fine, it didn't have LPI) F-16C Block 60. We learned nothing from the F-22 program, after all—every last part of the F-22 had already been tinkered with, and yet the project cost us $65 billion for something that could have been done on the F-15 airframe (yeah, it's old. No, that doesn't really matter). The F-15 ACTIVE, in fact, was responsible for the thrust vectoring as well as the fly-by-wire system. The F-15SE even had forward-facing LPI, it was already 1/4 of the way to having the same stealth capabilities as the F-22. And with time, the F-15SE probably could have carried the F-22's engines, or something equally powerful. On a lighter airframe, no less.

Finally, Red Flag/Northern Edge is bullshit, sorry. It proves nothing because the pilots flying the aggressor planes are flying aggressors way more advanced than their Russian-produced counterparts. The performance comparisons are pretty level, but the tech involved is hilariously inaccurate.

Russia's most advanced project right now is the Su-47 Berkut, and that couldn't even touch an F-22. We don't need the F-22 for at least another 20 years.

[The Corparation]

Technically a whole airforce would be a waste of money. It might take extreme luck and circumstances, but any modern aircraft will still react badly to an RPG

Please an rpg would be lucky to get halfway to a modern fighter and during the Northern Edge exercise in 2008 12 f-22s downed 108 adversaries with no losses, that was just over a third of the total blue force kills (241) during two weeks of exercises. Beleive me cancelling the F-22 is one the worst mistakes made by the US government, we'll see just how tough those F-35s are against the Pak Fa.

Gates didn't cancel the F-22 he just drasticly slashed the number he ordered. Why we're still working on the F-35 when the F-22 is cheaper confuses me.

[Licana]

Please an rpg would be lucky to get halfway to a modern fighter and during the Northern Edge exercise in 2008 12 f-22s downed 108 adversaries with no losses, that was just over a third of the total blue force kills (241) during two weeks of exercises. Beleive me cancelling the F-22 is one the worst mistakes made by the US government, we'll see just how tough those F-35s are against the Pak Fa.

Gates didn't cancel the F-22 he just drasticly slashed the number he ordered. Why we're still working on the F-35 when the F-22 is cheaper confuses me.

I thought we had already settled that argument... Besides, the reason why we are still working on the F-35 is versatility, it can handle a much wider range of operations than an F-22. The fact of the matter is, as someone had already brought up, the F-15SE would be more than suffiecent for America than either of these aircraft. Also, to be quite honest, it is doubtful that any of our likely future enemies would be able to aquire these advanced russian fighters like the SU-47 and T-50 anyway.

[Arkinesia]

Please an rpg would be lucky to get halfway to a modern fighter and during the Northern Edge exercise in 2008 12 f-22s downed 108 adversaries with no losses, that was just over a third of the total blue force kills (241) during two weeks of exercises. Beleive me cancelling the F-22 is one the worst mistakes made by the US government, we'll see just how tough those F-35s are against the Pak Fa.

Gates didn't cancel the F-22 he just drasticly slashed the number he ordered. Why we're still working on the F-35 when the F-22 is cheaper confuses me.

The F-35 is more expensive, sure, but it will probably be exported in time due to its versatility. However I'd still rather take a Viper Block 60.

Did I mention the Block 60 is like $80 million a pop?

*reads about the Block 60*

Okay, it's actually better than I thought.

Based on the F-16C/D Block 50/52, it features improved radar and avionics and conformal fuel tanks; it has only been sold to the United Arab Emirates. At one time, this version was incorrectly thought to have been designated "F-16U." A major difference from previous blocks is the Northrop Grumman AN/APG-80 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, which gives the airplane the capability to simultaneously track and destroy ground and air threats. The Block 60's General Electric F110-GE-132 engine is a development of the -129 model and is rated at 32,500 lbf (144 kN). The Electronic Warfare system is supposed to be quite advanced and includes the Northrop Grumman Falcon Edge Integrated Electronic Warfare Suite RWR together with the AN/ALQ-165 Self-Protection Jammer. Falcon Edge, which was developed by Northrop Grumman specifically for the Block 60, is capable of showing not only the bearing of any threat but also the range. The Block 60 allows the carriage of all Block 50/52-compatible weaponry as well as AIM-132 Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM) and the AGM-84E Standoff Land Attack Missile (SLAM). The CFTs provide an additional 450 US gallon (2,045 L) of fuel, allowing increased range or time on station. This has the added benefit of freeing up hardpoints for weapons that otherwise would have been occupied by underwing fuel tanks. The MIL-STD-1553 data bus is replaced by MIL-STD-1773 fiber-optic data bus which offers a 1000 times increase in data-handling capability. UAE funded the entire $3 billion Block 60 development costs, and in exchange will receive royalties if any of the Block 60 aircraft are sold to other nations. According to press reports quoted by Flight International, this is "the first time the US has sold a better aircraft [F-16] overseas than its own forces fly".

There is no legitimate reason for the USAF to have abandoned the F-15 and F-16 airframes. They have their reasons ("lol old") but they're not very good reasons.

Sorry for this digression

[Soviet Haaregrad]

I really like the Spitfire. It's totally awesome and my favourite.

I agree.

It wasn't the best however. It's actually pretty average among the other top tier fighters of the war. Different models had different improvements and the balance of power shifted back and forth between which had the competitive advantage at the time, but there's really no criteria to judge best on.

[Licana]

Hurricane had wood and canvas construction apart from the wings/engine. Makes it stealthier. And easier to repair, which during the BoB was important.

the spitfire was the better plane over the whole war. there were periods where it was outperformed by the hurricane and by certain german planes but over the whole war the spitfire was the best.

F-6F Hellcat would like a word with you...

[St George of England]

the spitfire was the better plane over the whole war. there were periods where it was outperformed by the hurricane and by certain german planes but over the whole war the spitfire was the best.

F-6F Hellcat would like a word with you...

and my longbow wants a word with you.

[Licana]

F-6F Hellcat would like a word with you...

and my longbow wants a word with you.

You and your crazy WW2 bowman, modern infantry firearms would like to speak with you

[St George of England]

and my longbow wants a word with you.

You and your crazy WW2 bowman, modern infantry firearms would like to speak with you

tell that to the legend that is Jack Churchill (if you haven't wiki'd him, you should. he's an rl New Nickslyvanian)

[Ramsetia]

You and your crazy WW2 bowman, modern infantry firearms would like to speak with you

tell that to the legend that is Jack Churchill (if you haven't wiki'd him, you should. he's an rl New Nickslyvanian)

We all know who he is by now, Georgie boy. Can we get the thread back on track a little, please?

[Licana]

You and your crazy WW2 bowman, modern infantry firearms would like to speak with you

tell that to the legend that is Jack Churchill (if you haven't wiki'd him, you should. he's an rl New Nickslyvanian)

I have...you wont shut up about him.
And he can't be a Nickslyvanian, he does not charge into battle with his trusty monocle.
I agree with Ramsetia, we have threadjacked this enough, lets stop before one of those scary mods come in here...

[St George of England]

tell that to the legend that is Jack Churchill (if you haven't wiki'd him, you should. he's an rl New Nickslyvanian)

We all know who he is by now, Georgie boy. Can we get the thread back on track a little, please?

errrrr, ok. I need a compliment to my carrier based force of Lightning IIs. Any thoughts?

[Licana]

We all know who he is by now, Georgie boy. Can we get the thread back on track a little, please?

errrrr, ok. I need a compliment to my carrier based force of Lightning IIs. Any thoughts?

Do you need a fighter, or a more multirole craft?

[Ramsetia]

We all know who he is by now, Georgie boy. Can we get the thread back on track a little, please?

errrrr, ok. I need a compliment to my carrier based force of Lightning IIs. Any thoughts?

I assume you're looking for another swing-role fighter, I would suggest the F/A-18 or F-16 (maybe the block 60 that was mentioned earlier?). The F-15J might also be worth a look.

If not, you need to identify what role the fighter will be playing, since different airframes are designed for different uses.