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Postby The Akasha Colony » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:27 pm

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Not for turbofan engines. It's measured in thrust, either foot-pounds or kilonewtons. Turboprops are still often measured in horsepower but they're not used in fighters.


Well then. What would a supercharged Engine clock in at?


You don't supercharge turbine engines. Every turbine engine already has a compressor since they need it to operate. They are completely different from reciprocating engines. You should look at the thrust figures on Wikipedia to get an idea what modern jet engines are capable of.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:32 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
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Well then. What would a supercharged Engine clock in at?


You don't supercharge turbine engines. Every turbine engine already has a compressor since they need it to operate. They are completely different from reciprocating engines. You should look at the thrust figures on Wikipedia to get an idea what modern jet engines are capable of.


Someone said the 3 X ATmo pressure would make it easier for the jet to get the same amount of energy.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:33 pm

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You don't supercharge turbine engines. Every turbine engine already has a compressor since they need it to operate. They are completely different from reciprocating engines. You should look at the thrust figures on Wikipedia to get an idea what modern jet engines are capable of.


Someone said the 3 X ATmo pressure would make it easier for the jet to get the same amount of energy.


Because it increases the basic pressure, yes. However, this would be offset by increased atmospheric drag, so you'd need more power to begin with.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:37 pm

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Someone said the 3 X ATmo pressure would make it easier for the jet to get the same amount of energy.


Because it increases the basic pressure, yes. However, this would be offset by increased atmospheric drag, so you'd need more power to begin with.


I know, Which is why they will be made of some type of Carbon fiber and Aluminium, as well as have over sized engines. What did they use for the edges of the...X-48?
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:41 pm

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Because it increases the basic pressure, yes. However, this would be offset by increased atmospheric drag, so you'd need more power to begin with.


I know, Which is why they will be made of some type of Carbon fiber and Aluminium, as well as have over sized engines. What did they use for the edges of the...X-48?


None of that will offset drag, which is not a function of weight but of surface area. The X-48 had conventional construction as far as I can tell because it wasn't meant to test new skin or engine types, it was meant to test a new fuselage design.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:43 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
I know, Which is why they will be made of some type of Carbon fiber and Aluminium, as well as have over sized engines. What did they use for the edges of the...X-48?


None of that will offset drag, which is not a function of weight but of surface area. The X-48 had conventional construction as far as I can tell because it wasn't meant to test new skin or engine types, it was meant to test a new fuselage design.


O. They said it used some sort of ultra heat resistant carbon for the edges so it wouldn't abrase it's self into oblivion.

And Okay. SO Titanium?
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Postby A Hooloovoo » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:46 pm

Hm, can modernized SEPECAT Jaguar into relevance today? Or is it pretty much obsolete nowadays?

cuz I want dat overwing Sidewinder swag
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:48 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
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None of that will offset drag, which is not a function of weight but of surface area. The X-48 had conventional construction as far as I can tell because it wasn't meant to test new skin or engine types, it was meant to test a new fuselage design.


O. They said it used some sort of ultra heat resistant carbon for the edges so it wouldn't abrase it's self into oblivion.

And Okay. SO Titanium?


If you're going that fast, may as well just use ceramic tiles. Not seriously though because it's hard to actually go that fast.

Titanium and aluminum are the most common metals used in aircraft due to their light weight, although steel is common as well for its low cost and strength. Carbon fiber has been catching on as of late in civilian airliners but there are concerns about how to properly inspect it since it doesn't show damage as readily as metals and it isn't as resistant to bird strikes and the like.

A Hooloovoo wrote:Hm, can modernized SEPECAT Jaguar into relevance today? Or is it pretty much obsolete nowadays?

cuz I want dat overwing Sidewinder swag


You certainly won't be dogfighting with it against anything other than another CAS aircraft like an A-10.
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Postby A Hooloovoo » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:50 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
A Hooloovoo wrote:Hm, can modernized SEPECAT Jaguar into relevance today? Or is it pretty much obsolete nowadays?

cuz I want dat overwing Sidewinder swag


You certainly won't be dogfighting with it against anything other than another CAS aircraft like an A-10.


Would it still be a respectable CAS/strike fighter though?
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:52 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
O. They said it used some sort of ultra heat resistant carbon for the edges so it wouldn't abrase it's self into oblivion.

And Okay. SO Titanium?


If you're going that fast, may as well just use ceramic tiles. Not seriously though because it's hard to actually go that fast.

Titanium and aluminum are the most common metals used in aircraft due to their light weight, although steel is common as well for its low cost and strength. Carbon fiber has been catching on as of late in civilian airliners but there are concerns about how to properly inspect it since it doesn't show damage as readily as metals and it isn't as resistant to bird strikes and the like.

A Hooloovoo wrote:Hm, can modernized SEPECAT Jaguar into relevance today? Or is it pretty much obsolete nowadays?

cuz I want dat overwing Sidewinder swag


You certainly won't be dogfighting with it against anything other than another CAS aircraft like an A-10.



Okay Aluminium and Titanium: Light and Strong, But Fairly expensive
Steel: Cheap, Heavy, Very strong
CF: Cheap-Very expensive, Strong, Hard to tell if it's damaged.


SO about that? 50,000 Foot Pounds per engine?
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:53 pm

A Hooloovoo wrote:
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You certainly won't be dogfighting with it against anything other than another CAS aircraft like an A-10.


Would it still be a respectable CAS/strike fighter though?


It'd be a CAS aircraft but not really a strike fighter. And it'd need a big overhaul to the avionics which were never very good.
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Postby A Hooloovoo » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:55 pm

Is there even any point in modernizing it if I use Mirage 2000-5 Mk 2s and Rafales?
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:00 pm

A Hooloovoo wrote:Is there even any point in modernizing it if I use Mirage 2000-5 Mk 2s and Rafales?


If you need a cheap expendable aircraft to operate in safe airspaces and lack enough modern fighters to carry out the job, maybe.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:19 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
The Akasha Colony wrote:
Not for turbofan engines. It's measured in thrust, either foot-pounds or kilonewtons. Turboprops are still often measured in horsepower but they're not used in fighters.


Well then. What would a supercharged Engine clock in at?

Invalid question.

A supercharger is an air-intake compressor.

Jet engines have a compressor-stage by default.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:37 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
Well then. What would a supercharged Engine clock in at?

Invalid question.

A supercharger is an air-intake compressor.

Jet engines have a compressor-stage by default.


I know and the Air is already compressed to 10th of what Jet's on earth do. SO you could If it scales, have 3 times...2 times the compression from the same sized motor...Engine thing.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:05 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Invalid question.

A supercharger is an air-intake compressor.

Jet engines have a compressor-stage by default.


I know and the Air is already compressed to 10th of what Jet's on earth do. SO you could If it scales, have 3 times...2 times the compression from the same sized motor...Engine thing.

Would exceed the stress-tolerances of the turbine.

Closest anaolouge would be air-breathing engines optimized for traveling supersonic at sea level.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:57 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
I know and the Air is already compressed to 10th of what Jet's on earth do. SO you could If it scales, have 3 times...2 times the compression from the same sized motor...Engine thing.

Would exceed the stress-tolerances of the turbine.

Closest anaolouge would be air-breathing engines optimized for traveling supersonic at sea level.


What's the Max Pressure on that
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:07 am

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Stats: Over 9000
Corporate Confederacy
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Postby New Korongo » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:36 am

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The F-17C Buccaneer is an air superiority fighter produced by Robinson Aeronautical Engineering which currently serves in large numbers with the United Provincial Aviation Forces. The original Buccaneer was intended to be an interim design that replaced the large number of aircraft lost during the Second Korongolese Civil War in the period before purchasing new SF-27 Thunderstorm stealth fighters was economically viable. When the excessive flaws in the Thunderstorm design became apparent and further production was cancelled, the decision to produce more Buccaneers was made and the modified C variant has become New Korongo’s primary air superiority fighter. They are commonly assigned to National Fighter Wings, where they patrol New Korongo’s air space, and Tactical Fighter Wings, where they protect multirole aircraft from other fighters during combat operations.

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Thaxian Main Fixed-Wing multirole fighter

Postby Thaxiz » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:29 am

The main Fixed-Wing aircraft of the Royal Thaxian Airforce (RTA) is the F/A-18F Super Hornet multirole fighter jet.
There are currently 107 F/A-18F Super Hornet's in active duty and an addition 27 F/A-18E SH's being refitted with advanced systems and weapons to F/A-18E/F SH models. 68 aircraft have been decommissioned for spare parts.

General characteristics

Crew: F/A-18E: 1, F/A-18F: 2
Length: 60 ft 1¼ in (18.31 m)
Wingspan: 44 ft 8½ in (13.62 m)
Height: 16 ft (4.88 m)
Wing area: 500 ft² (46.5 m²)
Empty weight: 32,081 lb (14,552 kg)
Loaded weight: 47,000 lb (21,320 kg) (in fighter configuration)
Max. takeoff weight: 66,000 lb (29,937 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × General Electric F414-GE-400 turbofans
Dry thrust: 13,000 lbf (62.3 kN) each
Thrust with afterburner: 22,000 lbf (97.9 kN) each
Internal fuel capacity: F/A-18E: 14,400 lb (6,780 kg), F/A-18F: 13,550 lb (6,354 kg)
External fuel capacity: 5 × 480 gal tanks, totaling 16,380 lb (7,381 kg)
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Postby Boer Republics (Ancient) » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:46 am

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Stats: Over 9000

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During recent talks with foreign militaries the Emirate of Neonistan decided to drastically modernize his military, and so he moved toward a reliance on part Asian and part European military tech because most of his family is Asian and he wishes to separate ties with the middle east. That is why he chose the NF-1 as one of the new fighters for the air force.

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The NF-2 was acquired through a deal with help from a foreign advisor sent by the nation of Das Schmutzige Huhn. The Emirate plans to buy between 500 and 1000 NF-2's to help modernize his air force.

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The NF-3 is the first modern jet produced by a Neonistan company. The NF-3 was created by Good Guys Inc. as a response to build a domestic aircraft. During a competition the NF-3 beat all other domestic entry's and Good Guys Inc. now has an order of about 600 NF-3's to fulfill.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:11 pm

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This is the future of the Gig em Aggies Air force. This is the CC-33 which will replace all frontline jet fighters of the Gig em Aggies Air Force. The CC-33 patrols enemy and friendly airspace once enemy fighters are detected the CC-33 crew will release Swarm Fighters to dispatch the threat without endangering the lives of humans. Each CC-33 carries around 25 SF-53's

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This is the SF-53 (pictured above) it is carried around in a CC-33, once enemy fighters are detected they will drop from the CC-33 and dispatch the enemy with speed and accuracy.
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Postby Deutsche Demokratische Republik » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:03 am

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Name: Deutsche Demokratische Republik
Population: 16.1 million
Currency: Mark Der DDDR
GDP Per Capita: $27,000 Universal Standard Dollars

Name: Sara Wagenknecht
Party: Communist Party
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Postby New Caledonia » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:16 am

There are 73 Dassault Rafale B fighters in the New Caledonian Airforce.

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