Your Nation's Air Force [MKI]

[The Corparation]

It's got a rear ramp already you know.

No it doesn't the An-124 that it's based of does, but the An-225 itself has a completely redesigned tail section with no rear ramp. The An-125 was desigend to carry outsize cargo (A space shuttle) on top of the aircraft so a rear ramp wasn't important.

[Mikedor]

BF-109 is on that level my English friend.

The Spitfire; the BF-109, the Mitsubishi Zero; the P-51d, the P-38 Lightning. >>; So; all of those for the win.

look at it this way. the spitfires were the true heroes of the war (apart from jack churchill, wiki him, i demand it!) and the messers lost.

Hawker Hurricane shot down more planes during Battle of Britain

The Mosquito was pretty good, as was the Thundercat.

[The Corparation]

BF-109 is on that level my English friend.

The Spitfire; the BF-109, the Mitsubishi Zero; the P-51d, the P-38 Lightning. >>; So; all of those for the win.

But P-61 Black Widow beats all those.

[Mikedor]

BF-109 is on that level my English friend.

The Spitfire; the BF-109, the Mitsubishi Zero; the P-51d, the P-38 Lightning. >>; So; all of those for the win.

But P-61 Black Widow beats all those.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Tempest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_Tigercat

[The Corparation]

But P-61 Black Widow beats all those.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Tempest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_Tigercat

Me-163 end of discussion

[St George of England]

look at it this way. the spitfires were the true heroes of the war (apart from jack churchill, wiki him, i demand it!) and the messers lost.

Hawker Hurricane shot down more planes during Battle of Britain

The Mosquito was pretty good, as was the Thundercat.

source or die.

Technically, the Hurricane might have been able to win the Battle of Britain on its own. But for keeping up the spirits of the people on the ground while running rings around anything the Third Reich could throw at it? That was the job of the Spitfire, a symbol of British brilliance, a symbol of hope.

The fact is simple. The Spitfire looked good. It was every bit as handsome as the young men who flew it, and in flight it was as graceful as any bird. Its progress through the sky seemed effortless, as though it was simply riding the breeze and its Merlin engine was only there to provide a suitable soundtrack.

You had Mr Churchill on the radio explaining that we'd never surrender, and above you had the Spitfire, and you couldn't help thinking: Yes, we can win this thing.

Possibly, just possibly, the Spitfire is the greatest machine ever made.

- From I Know You Got Soul

maybe so, but the Spitfire was the best.

[Imeriata]

And I do finally have stats for this thing, if you have any ideas how to improve and make it more realistic please inform me.

General characteristics
Geting (autogyro)

* Crew: 1
* Length: 8 m
* Wingspan: 12,8 m
* Rotor diameter: 14 m)
* Height: 4 m
* Empty weight: 2540kg
* Loaded weight: 5180 kg
* Max takeoff weight: 9,525 kg

Performance

* Maximum speed: 270 km/h
* Cruise speed: 230 km/h
* Range: 1,000 km
* Service ceiling: 6,000 m
* Rate of climb: 10 m/s

Armament
* 2 X 30mm machine guns with 1200 rounds
* 6 X antitank/cluster Missiles
* 2X 16 tungsten or HEISAP dart pods

[Amerikians]

Is that for CAS or Aerial Superiority?

[Arivada]

Tie between a F-09(Larger and stealthed version of the F-22), the F-22A Raptor and the F-15E Eagle.

[Imeriata]

Is that for CAS or Aerial Superiority?

close air support

[Amerikians]

Tie between a F-09(Larger and stealthed version of the F-22), the F-22A Raptor and the F-15E Eagle.

Just pic one bro. xD;

[Amerikians]

Is that for CAS or Aerial Superiority?

close air support

Rockin'; Go Steam/Imperial Age Design with Modern Equipment/Technology.

[Arivada]

Tie between a F-09(Larger and stealthed version of the F-22), the F-22A Raptor and the F-15E Eagle.

Just pic one bro. xD;

Oh you make it hard. The F-15E is the most numerical while the F-09 is the most technological.

[Amerikians]

Just pic one bro. xD;

Oh you make it hard. The F-15E is the most numerical while the F-09 is the most technological.

Heh. Sorry.

[The Corparation]

Tie between a F-09(Larger and stealthed version of the F-22), the F-22A Raptor and the F-15E Eagle.

Just pic one bro. xD;

USAF has three fighters. F-15, F-16, and F-22

[Arivada]

Just pic one bro. xD;

USAF has three fighters. F-15, F-16, and F-22

^ Win

[Amerikians]

Just pic one bro. xD;

USAF has three fighters. F-15, F-16, and F-22

Four; F-15, F-16, F-22, F-35[ew].

15 and 16 are dead because Gates made sure of that; as is Raptor.

[Arivada]

USAF has three fighters. F-15, F-16, and F-22

Four; F-15, F-16, F-22, F-35[ew].

15 and 16 are dead because Gates made sure of that; as is Raptor.

The Raptor is good but the F-15 and F-16 is cheaper and are fairly good. Why do we need the F-22A when our competition is a few dozen migs? I say we should just build more F-15s and 16s and have the F-22 on build but at a slower rate. The DOD likes to waste money doesn't it?

[Licana]

Four; F-15, F-16, F-22, F-35[ew].

15 and 16 are dead because Gates made sure of that; as is Raptor.

The Raptor is good but the F-15 and F-16 is cheaper and are fairly good. Why do we need the F-22A when our competition is a few dozen migs? I say we should just build more F-15s and 16s and have the F-22 on build but at a slower rate. The DOD likes to waste money doesn't it?

Quite, It's a wonder why the project wasn't scrubbed after the end of the cold war...Then again, those late-cold war inventions have proven themselves as not a complete waste of money, the M1 Abrams being a prime example.

[The Grand World Order]

Tie between a F-09(Larger and stealthed version of the F-22), the F-22A Raptor and the F-15E Eagle.

Just pic one bro. xD;

Different roles call for different planes. The GWO's reinstating the F-14D for Naval purposes and air support.

[Minnysota]

It argued that the Raptor won't be needed all that much in this century. I think that it could be needed, but I also think the F-35 will be more valuabe since it has more ground attack abilities and pretty good air-to-air combat abilities.

I'm not sure if either the F-15, F-16, F-22, or F-35 are superior to the MiG-35, T-50, or SU-47.

[The Grand World Order]

It argued that the Raptor won't be needed all that much in this century. I think that it could be needed, but I also think the F-35 will be more valuabe since it has more ground attack abilities and pretty good air-to-air combat abilities.

I'm not sure if either the F-15, F-16, F-22, or F-35 are superior to the MiG-35, T-50, or SU-47.

The F-14 is better at both of those...

[Amerikians]

Did...Someone just say that F-35 is superior to the F-22? Really?

[Licana]

It argued that the Raptor won't be needed all that much in this century. I think that it could be needed, but I also think the F-35 will be more valuabe since it has more ground attack abilities and pretty good air-to-air combat abilities.

I'm not sure if either the F-15, F-16, F-22, or F-35 are superior to the MiG-35, T-50, or SU-47.

I would bet the F-35 would outclass the Mig in almost any combat senario, and those are some pretty costly soviet fighters, it's doubtful that any of our viable enemies would be able to get the funding for such aircraft in any numbers that could be considered a threat.
The F-35 is most certainly a good choice for a 5th gen. multirole fighter (also what my nation uses ) As it CAN be equipped for almost any possible combat situation, for a relatively cheap cost (for a stealth aircraft)

And Amreikans, in versatility, it is vastly better than the F-22. Practically, the only thing an F-22A would be able to do better than an F-35 is air-air combat.

[The Grand World Order]

And Amreikans, in versatility, it is vastly better than the F-22. Practically, the only thing an F-22A would be able to do better than an F-35 is air-air combat.

Recon?