Your Nation's Air Force [MKI]

[Ea90]

Who's gonna' do the next thread?

[Imperializt Russia]

Someone has it claimed, Corp I think.

[Vitaphone Racing]

This thread moves so slow in comparison to the others, we probably still have two more weeks.

[The Corparation]

Who's gonna' do the next thread?

I have a draft I'm working on slowly. I have a brief intro, and then I'm writing some pointers on fighter design and some useful links. Currently writing a couple paragraphs on the drawbacks of FSW, and I plan on linking to and/or writing a bit on the F-35, and why you need more than just F-22s and B-2s to make an air force. I'll also possibly list some well done NS Example fighters.

[Oaledonia]

FSW CAS/ground attack? Y/Y?

[Spirit of Hope]

FSW CAS/ground attack? Y/Y?

How are you going about the CAS ability? It probably won't do well trying to fly low and carry out gun attacks. CAS is moving in the direction of having multi-roles/drones/helicopters waiting for designation from the infantry and launching missiles.

[Oaledonia]

FSW CAS/ground attack? Y/Y?

How are you going about the CAS ability?

Ground attack then?

[Spirit of Hope]

How are you going about the CAS ability?

Ground attack then?

Are you doing it with guns, or missiles? How are you going to use those guns/missiles?

[Antarticaria]

Name: King Slayer Mk3
Class: Fighter Bomber
Cost: 105 Million
Pilots: main pilot, co pilot, gunner, Ariel maintainer
Bonus Description: During the closing on a bombing run the jet decreases power from the turbo fans but increase the rpms of the two Duplex cyclones in a gradual duration, at the end of the run the turbines increase in output prepping the transport/bomber for returns. In the back (cargo hold area) essentially what happens is the center of the cargo hold can open releasing various bombs it will also be closed when needed to be used for supply drops or para drops.

Size:
Length: 48 Meters
Wing Span: 46 Meters

Engine:
2x XC-97 R-3350 Duplex-Cyclone
4x CE-90 Turbo Fan
Speed: 515 Mph

Armaments:
4x .30 cal Auto cannons (side mount right behind pilots cabin)
65,000 pound payload (commonly filled with Mark 82 (GP) Bomb)

This is my first airplane stats setup (its for a sort of a bomber/transport). Does it seem reasonable?

[Spirit of Hope]

Name: King Slayer Mk3
Class: Fighter Bomber
Cost: 105 Million
Pilots: main pilot, co pilot, gunner, Ariel maintainer
Bonus Description: During the closing on a bombing run the jet decreases power from the turbo fans but increase the rpms of the two Duplex cyclones in a gradual duration, at the end of the run the turbines increase in output prepping the transport/bomber for returns. In the back (cargo hold area) essentially what happens is the center of the cargo hold can open releasing various bombs it will also be closed when needed to be used for supply drops or para drops.

Size:
Length: 48 Meters
Wing Span: 46 Meters

Engine:
2x XC-97 R-3350 Duplex-Cyclone
4x CE-90 Turbo Fan
Speed: 515 Mph

Armaments:
4x .30 cal Auto cannons (side mount right behind pilots cabin)
65,000 pound payload (commonly filled with Mark 82 (GP) Bomb)

This is my first airplane stats setup (its for a sort of a bomber/transport). Does it seem reasonable?

If this is a jet bomber/transport why the machine guns? I feel like they would be rather useless, especially since they are .30 cal. Unless you meant 30mm auto canons? at which point 4 of them is way overkill and you would probably only need 1.

[The Akasha Colony]

Name: King Slayer Mk3
Class: Fighter Bomber
Cost: 105 Million
Pilots: main pilot, co pilot, gunner, Ariel maintainer
Bonus Description: During the closing on a bombing run the jet decreases power from the turbo fans but increase the rpms of the two Duplex cyclones in a gradual duration, at the end of the run the turbines increase in output prepping the transport/bomber for returns. In the back (cargo hold area) essentially what happens is the center of the cargo hold can open releasing various bombs it will also be closed when needed to be used for supply drops or para drops.

Size:
Length: 48 Meters
Wing Span: 46 Meters

Engine:
2x XC-97 R-3350 Duplex-Cyclone
4x CE-90 Turbo Fan
Speed: 515 Mph

Armaments:
4x .30 cal Auto cannons (side mount right behind pilots cabin)
65,000 pound payload (commonly filled with Mark 82 (GP) Bomb)

This is my first airplane stats setup (its for a sort of a bomber/transport). Does it seem reasonable?

Why do you have piston engines and turbofans? You shouldn't have anything but the latter unless this is a WWII design.

Also, bomb bays (and bombers generally) are not easily converted to cargo use, due to differing design requirements.

[Connahkstan]

A'ight. I'll design my own FSW Multi-role Air-Superiority Fighter.

NO, FSW IS VERY BAD!

Honestly, FSW is not a worthwhile design choice.

Sucks to be me then, because FSW is just cooler. And honestly, stuff that looks cool is stuff that works on the internet. Now, to somebody's comment that I need to choose between Air superiority and multi-role, i say "You got it." Because my FSW fighter will be an air-superiority craft.

[Romic]

What would be a good but cheap cold war air force setup with rotor wings and jets?

[Spirit of Hope]

What would be a good but cheap cold war air force setup with rotor wings and jets?

The cold war lasted ~50 years, with multiple generations of aircraft and large advances in technology. Your going to have to give us something a little more specific than "cold war" as a time frame.

[Imperializt Russia]

NO, FSW IS VERY BAD!

Honestly, FSW is not a worthwhile design choice.

Sucks to be me then, because FSW is just cooler. And honestly, stuff that looks cool is stuff that works on the internet. Now, to somebody's comment that I need to choose between Air superiority and multi-role, i say "You got it." Because my FSW fighter will be an air-superiority craft.

Then you'll be heavily outmatched in air combat by supersonic combat aircraft.

[The Akasha Colony]

NO, FSW IS VERY BAD!

Honestly, FSW is not a worthwhile design choice.

Sucks to be me then, because FSW is just cooler. And honestly, stuff that looks cool is stuff that works on the internet. Now, to somebody's comment that I need to choose between Air superiority and multi-role, i say "You got it." Because my FSW fighter will be an air-superiority craft.

Stuff that looks cool is stuff that works for you, but by no means for everyone else if they choose to pay even a modest amount of attention to basic practicality.

I've still to figure out why people have ever thought it's a good idea to come into a thread and ask for advice, and then repeatedly say they're simply going to ignore it. We obviously can't force people to take advice, but responding with "Thanks for the advice, but I'm going to ignore it because I don't like it and this is the internet" does not come off well to the people who put time and effort into providing the advice. Especially when it includes subjective statements masquerading as objective ones.

[Romic]

What would be a good but cheap cold war air force setup with rotor wings and jets?

The cold war lasted ~50 years, with multiple generations of aircraft and large advances in technology. Your going to have to give us something a little more specific than "cold war" as a time frame.

'70s to '90s

[Spirit of Hope]

The cold war lasted ~50 years, with multiple generations of aircraft and large advances in technology. Your going to have to give us something a little more specific than "cold war" as a time frame.

'70s to '90s

Ok, bit more specific then. What do you want your air force to do? Are you planning on using it to launch and/or support large strategic operations? Or is mostly going to be about self defense or general defense of an area (such as a region around you)?

[Romic]

'70s to '90s

Ok, bit more specific then. What do you want your air force to do? Are you planning on using it to launch and/or support large strategic operations? Or is mostly going to be about self defense or general defense of an area (such as a region around you)?

Mostly General defence with enough offensive capabilities.

[Antarticaria]

Name: King Slayer Mk3
Class: Fighter Bomber
Cost: 105 Million
Pilots: main pilot, co pilot, gunner, Ariel maintainer
Bonus Description: During the closing on a bombing run the jet decreases power from the turbo fans but increase the rpms of the two Duplex cyclones in a gradual duration, at the end of the run the turbines increase in output prepping the transport/bomber for returns. In the back (cargo hold area) essentially what happens is the center of the cargo hold can open releasing various bombs it will also be closed when needed to be used for supply drops or para drops.

Size:
Length: 48 Meters
Wing Span: 46 Meters

Engine:
2x XC-97 R-3350 Duplex-Cyclone
4x CE-90 Turbo Fan
Speed: 515 Mph

Armaments:
4x .30 cal Auto cannons (side mount right behind pilots cabin)
65,000 pound payload (commonly filled with Mark 82 (GP) Bomb)

This is my first airplane stats setup (its for a sort of a bomber/transport). Does it seem reasonable?

If this is a jet bomber/transport why the machine guns? I feel like they would be rather useless, especially since they are .30 cal. Unless you meant 30mm auto canons? at which point 4 of them is way overkill and you would probably only need 1.

I did mean 30 mm auto cannons, the weapon was meant to be a personal defense system and would of been rarely used, So one bottom mount i presume??

[Imperializt Russia]

If this is a jet bomber/transport why the machine guns? I feel like they would be rather useless, especially since they are .30 cal. Unless you meant 30mm auto canons? at which point 4 of them is way overkill and you would probably only need 1.

I did mean 30 mm auto cannons, the weapon was meant to be a personal defense system and would of been rarely used, So one bottom mount i presume??

A tail gun position would be far more useful, and is the gun position that survived into the modern era. Ventral and dorsal gun positions probably impart too much drag and so forth and I can't imagine a nose turret being great for that either.

From the rear is the direction bombers are most likely to be approached from and would give its gunners the best engagement capability.

[Antarticaria]

Name: King Slayer Mk3
Class: Fighter Bomber
Cost: 105 Million
Pilots: main pilot, co pilot, gunner, Ariel maintainer
Bonus Description: During the closing on a bombing run the jet decreases power from the turbo fans but increase the rpms of the two Duplex cyclones in a gradual duration, at the end of the run the turbines increase in output prepping the transport/bomber for returns. In the back (cargo hold area) essentially what happens is the center of the cargo hold can open releasing various bombs it will also be closed when needed to be used for supply drops or para drops.

Size:
Length: 48 Meters
Wing Span: 46 Meters

Engine:
2x XC-97 R-3350 Duplex-Cyclone
4x CE-90 Turbo Fan
Speed: 515 Mph

Armaments:
4x .30 cal Auto cannons (side mount right behind pilots cabin)
65,000 pound payload (commonly filled with Mark 82 (GP) Bomb)

This is my first airplane stats setup (its for a sort of a bomber/transport). Does it seem reasonable?

Why do you have piston engines and turbofans? You shouldn't have anything but the latter unless this is a WWII design.

Also, bomb bays (and bombers generally) are not easily converted to cargo use, due to differing design requirements.

Could i perhaps have the cargo plane as a separate variation? without the bomb doors?

and very well noted thanks for the input. The two fans are more of a sort of auxiliary or backup to keep the plane at a steady decline in case it sub-stains damage that would render a jet turbine ineffective.

[Antarticaria]

I did mean 30 mm auto cannons, the weapon was meant to be a personal defense system and would of been rarely used, So one bottom mount i presume??

A tail gun position would be far more useful, and is the gun position that survived into the modern era. Ventral and dorsal gun positions probably impart too much drag and so forth and I can't imagine a nose turret being great for that either.

From the rear is the direction bombers are most likely to be approached from and would give its gunners the best engagement capability.

Oh alright I hear you.

[Spirit of Hope]

Ok, bit more specific then. What do you want your air force to do? Are you planning on using it to launch and/or support large strategic operations? Or is mostly going to be about self defense or general defense of an area (such as a region around you)?

Mostly General defence with enough offensive capabilities.

Ok, depending on size your going to want a mix of F-16 (multi-role) and F-15s (air superiority) if your looking at American aircraft. Or you can just use either the F-15 or F-16 to cut costs but lose some flexibility. If you need a Naval aircraft look at the F-14 (for 70's) or F-18 (for 80's and 90's). C-130 can act as a general transport craft for you, and you probably won't need a strategic bomber.

If looking at Russian planes the Mig-29 becomes your main stay multirole. Mig-27 can act as an interceptor/air superiority aircraft if you want it to.

If this is a jet bomber/transport why the machine guns? I feel like they would be rather useless, especially since they are .30 cal. Unless you meant 30mm auto canons? at which point 4 of them is way overkill and you would probably only need 1.

I did mean 30 mm auto cannons, the weapon was meant to be a personal defense system and would of been rarely used, So one bottom mount i presume??

Depends on when the plane is from. 1940-early 1950's I could see a bomber with a 30mm cannon for defense. After that it would be a terrible waste of space and weight on the aircraft. Even during that time period it probably wouldn't be all that useful

[The Akasha Colony]

Could i perhaps have the cargo plane as a separate variation? without the bomb doors?

You'd have a completely different fuselage. Conventional strategic bombers tend to have relatively thin fuselages since bombs are pretty dense and don't need a lot of space to fill up the maximum payload. Thus, the fuselage can be narrow to reduce drag. Cargo aircraft benefit from maximizing volume (within reason) as this increases their transport flexibility. They also load differently; bombers load their payloads from below into their bomb bays, while most transports have at least a rear hatch and some have nose hatches as well.

and very well noted thanks for the input. The two fans are more of a sort of auxiliary or backup to keep the plane at a steady decline in case it sub-stains damage that would render a jet turbine ineffective.

The turbines will be more reliable, and more resistant to battle damage, than your piston engines. Multi-engine aircraft have enough power to stay aloft in the event of power loss from at least one of their engines, so 'backup engines' aren't needed (which is why they aren't used).