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Postby Oaledonia » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:08 am

Ea90 wrote:tbf, Britain is objectively the best anything anywhere at doing anything

Im not sure if you're joking with me, or intentionally pissing me off.
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:15 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Riysa wrote:My Air Force organization for fighter and attack wings is as follows:

3 aircraft per flight.
10 aircraft per squadron - 3 flights, one jet for squadron commander.
31 aircraft per group - 3 squadrons, one jet for group commander.
93 aircraft per wing - 3 groups.

Loose four plane formations give much better situational awareness and cover than a three plane equivalent, and why do your air force get organized like a tank corps?

Speaking of which, lately I've been thinking about organizing my airforce on a six-plane flight, rather than the usual four (for national uniqueness/shameless hipsterism). Would it be all right to divide this into two three-plane units like the Imperial Japanese Navy, or should I stick to three two-plane units like the Soviet VVS in Korea? Or is there some deeply serious flaw with the six-plane fighter squadron to begin with?

TBH, while I've come across a goldmine of information on the organization of Soviet ground units, I still haven't been able to track down even basic information about what type of flight is used by air forces outside the US. So if someone has a good source on Eastern Bloc airforces, I'd really appreciate if they sent me the link.
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Postby The IASM » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:26 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Britain's still a world leader in plenty of aspects.

Please point out in my post where I said they weren't :p

I just don't like the new players, I mean there's nationalism and then there's claiming the the UK can simultaneously defeat the US, Russia, China, and Israel.

Points to the 1800s British empire we used to be able to do that with our navy.
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Postby Oaledonia » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:28 am

The IASM wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Please point out in my post where I said they weren't :p

I just don't like the new players, I mean there's nationalism and then there's claiming the the UK can simultaneously defeat the US, Russia, China, and Israel.

Points to the 1800s British empire we used to be able to do that with our navy.

Can =/= could.
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Postby Ea90 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:32 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Ea90 wrote:tbf, Britain is objectively the best anything anywhere at doing anything

Im not sure if you're joking with me, or intentionally pissing me off.

:p
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Postby New Tsavon » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:41 am

Ea90 wrote:tbf, Britain is objectively the best anything anywhere at doing anything

What is this, the late 1800's?
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:44 am

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Loose four plane formations give much better situational awareness and cover than a three plane equivalent, and why do your air force get organized like a tank corps?

Speaking of which, lately I've been thinking about organizing my airforce on a six-plane flight, rather than the usual four (for national uniqueness/shameless hipsterism). Would it be all right to divide this into two three-plane units like the Imperial Japanese Navy, or should I stick to three two-plane units like the Soviet VVS in Korea? Or is there some deeply serious flaw with the six-plane fighter squadron to begin with?

TBH, while I've come across a goldmine of information on the organization of Soviet ground units, I still haven't been able to track down even basic information about what type of flight is used by air forces outside the US. So if someone has a good source on Eastern Bloc airforces, I'd really appreciate if they sent me the link.



Info's hard to find. And honestly I didn't keep any of my links, but a few years ago I went looking for carrier aircraft organizational information. Best I could find on Soviet carrier aircraft flights was squadrons of 6 Yak-38s, split into three flights of two. That way they could fit two squadrons onto a Kiev. There was talk (Dunno if Soviet or Western speculation) of moving to 8-plane squadrons, for two flights of four or four flights of two, and two squadrons.
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:19 pm

Southern Arkansas wrote:How much maintenance would be required on small propeller driven aircraft? Cessna Turbo Stationair for example?


Thinking about a small troop transport for high ranking Generals etc.

It depends on the engine type. Turboprops generally require less maintenance than piston engines.
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:21 pm

Southern Arkansas wrote:How much maintenance would be required on small propeller driven aircraft? Cessna Turbo Stationair for example?


Thinking about a small troop transport for high ranking Generals etc.

It depends on the engine type. Turboprops generally require less maintenance than piston engines.

If you are looking for a transport for your leaders, I'd go with either a turboprop or jet aircraft (Gulfstream V).
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Postby Horizont » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:21 pm

Morrdh wrote:I admit us Brits had some bad designs
Boston Paul Defiant. "So... to shoot down the enemy... I have to get into his line of fire...?"


Morrdh wrote:but we've also had few good ones
TSR-2. What a shame that thing was never mass-produced.

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Postby Premislyd » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:24 pm

Horizont wrote:TSR-2. What a shame that thing was never mass-produced.


Hawker P. 1216 is more shameful to have never gone into production
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Postby Morrdh » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:25 pm

Horizont wrote:
Morrdh wrote:but we've also had few good ones
TSR-2. What a shame that thing was never mass-produced.


Not much you can do when the US threatens to block access to the IMF if we built the TSR-2.

Politics.
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:27 pm

I am reading an old USAF ROTC book from 1949. It's quite an interesting book considering it was written during the transition to jet aircraft.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:34 pm

This is an experimental stealth bomber based off of the current omnirole fighter of Nirvash and the XM-44 Manta. Any ideas on how to make it more workable?
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:46 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:This is an experimental stealth bomber based off of the current omnirole fighter of Nirvash and the XM-44 Manta. Any ideas on how to make it more workable?


By "bomber" do you imply strategic or tactical operations? Either way, the plane is a bit small.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:19 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Triplebaconation wrote:In other news, the only thing worse than a Russian carrier fighter is a Russian carrier bomber. A navalized Su-34 simply isn't feasible.

Are you implying some sort of failing in the Su-34's capabilities or are you just saying the Russians never built a good carrier bomber?


By the time the Russians build a carrier capable of launching a worthwhile strike package (or CAP or whatever) the Su-34 will be like 30 years old.

Morrdh wrote:
Horizont wrote: TSR-2. What a shame that thing was never mass-produced.


Not much you can do when the US threatens to block access to the IMF if we built the TSR-2.

Politics.


If only the Americans had stopped twirling their mustaches and assassinated Sandys, rigged the election, bailed the UK out of its economic crisis in exchange for a triumphant return East of Suez, subsidized production and forced its puppet states to order hundreds of TSR-2s, then perhaps we would live in a better world today. Communism would have been crushed in the late 60s and humanity, inspired by the majestic TSR-2, would spread its wings and look to the future with unbridled optimism. Domes on Mars, clean fusion energy in every Cooper Mini, cancer eradicated by miniature Astute-class submarines.
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Postby New Educandi » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:20 pm

THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM THE FUTURE:
who needs a air force when you have space ships?
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Postby Riysa » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:32 pm

New Educandi wrote:THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM THE FUTURE:
who needs a air force when you have space ships?


Because they can't fight effectively in an atmosphere?

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Postby The Corparation » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:33 pm

Riysa wrote:
New Educandi wrote:THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM THE FUTURE:
who needs a air force when you have space ships?


Because they can't fight effectively in an atmosphere?

And ASATs will rape them if their orbit goes over the borders of any nation with a decent military. ASATs are cheap compared to spaceships, and I can hide and move the launchers. You cannot hide your spaceship.

There's a reason that my Orion Cruisers are only in LEO for crew transfers, resupply and some repair work. ASATs are that reason.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:45 pm

So only in LEO when they're most vulnerable, basically. Makes sense.
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Postby The Corparation » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:51 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:So only in LEO when they're most vulnerable, basically. Makes sense.

Yeah, but resupply, crew transfer and repair are only done during peace time, which lowers the risk. These jobs are done in LEO because that's the easiest and cheapest place to do them. It takes multiple launches for a full crew transfer and resupply, doing it in LEO saves a good deal of money compared to doing it elsewhere.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:22 pm

Erm...only resupplied in peacetime?
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Postby Purpelia » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:30 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:Erm...only resupplied in peacetime?

Presumably when you have huge atomic powered space warships armed to the teeth with atomic weapons in MT wars don't tend to last long.
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Postby The Corparation » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:32 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Triplebaconation wrote:Erm...only resupplied in peacetime?

Presumably when you have huge atomic powered space warships armed to the teeth with atomic weapons in MT wars don't tend to last long.

This ^ Plus they have lol endurance. But mostly its because NS Conflicts don't usually last very long.

EDIT: I also have plans to set up a lunar base with hydroponics farms that can resupply the fleet in a pinch. Mostly yeast and algae. I haven't been assed to do the writeup though.
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Postby Oaledonia » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:56 pm

Corp I need your help, do you know any jet parasite fighters like the goblin? Is it possible to modify an X-32 to become a parasite fighter?
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