Your Nation's Air Force [MKI]

[Vitaphone Racing]

There already is a CAS aircraft designed to not carry a gun and carry more missiles. It's called the F-35, or the F-16 or the F-15E or basically any other multirole aircraft in existence ever.

inb4 someone says "but they all have guns!" because I know it's going to happen.

[Pharthan]

There already is a CAS aircraft designed to not carry a gun and carry more missiles. It's called the F-35, or the F-16 or the F-15E or basically any other multirole aircraft in existence ever.

inb4 someone says "but they all have guns!" because I know it's going to happen.

but they all have guns!

Because 20mm cannons are wonderful for killing tanks!

I think he's looking for a bit of a slower aircraft, more like a beefed up COIN, rather than a multi-role, though those would do the job.

[Oaledonia]

I've read that if the fun is removed for maintenance.

Really nao? The engineers where telling the truth, party killers.

[Horizont]

So, I took the tornado and made it heavier, thus giving it the capacity to carry more weapons but also decreasing its TW ratio and maneuverability. Therefore, I'm classing it as a strike aircraft (something like a bomber) rather than a multirole fighter.

Good move? Bad? What situations would it be most useful in?

[San-Silvacian]

There already is a CAS aircraft designed to not carry a gun and carry more missiles. It's called the F-35, or the F-16 or the F-15E or basically any other multirole aircraft in existence ever.

inb4 someone says "but they all have guns!" because I know it's going to happen.

but they all have guns!

Because 20mm cannons are wonderful for killing tanks!

I think he's looking for a bit of a slower aircraft, more like a beefed up COIN, rather than a multi-role, though those would do the job.

20mm guns aren't good against tanks, but 12 JDAMs make wonderful anti-anything weapons.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So, I took the tornado and made it heavier, thus giving it the capacity to carry more weapons but also decreasing its TW ratio and maneuverability. Therefore, I'm classing it as a strike aircraft (something like a bomber) rather than a multirole fighter.

Good move? Bad? What situations would it be most useful in?

Way ahead of you.

In other newsies I see I'm not the only one adhering to tank-plinking. *high-fives San*

[Pharthan]

20mm guns aren't good against tanks, but 12 JDAMs make wonderful anti-anything weapons.

Yeah, 2/3s of that was sarcasm. I'd also avoid JDAMs for tanks, unless they were proving resistant to anything smaller.

[San-Silvacian]

So, I took the tornado and made it heavier, thus giving it the capacity to carry more weapons but also decreasing its TW ratio and maneuverability. Therefore, I'm classing it as a strike aircraft (something like a bomber) rather than a multirole fighter.

Good move? Bad? What situations would it be most useful in?

Way ahead of you.

In other newsies I see I'm not the only one adhering to tank-plinking. *high-fives San*

no, real talk we should find a way to shove an AZP S-60 into a plane

[Val Nube]

So I've been toying with the idea of stripping out the 30mm gun from the A-10, and making it carry more missiles. Think thats workable or should I just do a new design from the ground up?

Keep the gun. There's really nowhere left for hardpoints under the wing or fuselage, so add overwing hardpoints like the Jag. For true lulz, add additional hardpoints to the sides of the fuselage like the Crusader.

[Imperializt Russia]

Dalek.
The Mig-21's wings start notably behind the cockpit. Your goal is to try to center your Center-Of-Lift with Center-of-Mass; much of your weight is going to be your engine. Your current wing configuration starts more forward than that of the Mig-21.
With Fly-By-Wire, this is less of a concern, as you can have computers compensate, but it does mean you're going to have trouble with diving.

More importantly, who had the time to make an entire Wikipedia page for a Dalek?

Any Whovian ever.

Right about what I thought. Well now I just have to design a CAS missile craft that is heavily armored. Fun! Maybe I can make it cute and ugly at the same time like the A-10 itself.

F-15E carrying standoff munitions.

Trucks more bombs.

[Purpelia]

Random question time. How useful would a He-111 style twin engine bomber be if it were powered by a pair of Napier Sabers? The intended year of introduction is late 1943 - early 1944 as a replacement for the original 111. The intended service period is until somewhere in 1950-52 when it gets swapped out for a jet.

Also, how do you guys feel about the IL-40?

[Vitaphone Racing]

Random question time. How useful would a He-111 style twin engine bomber be if it were powered by a pair of Napier Sabers? The intended year of introduction is late 1943 - early 1944 as a replacement for the original 111. The intended service period is until somewhere in 1950-52 when it gets swapped out for a jet.

Will they even fit? Even if they did... seems like a lot of wasted power.

Also, how do you guys feel about the IL-40?

It was one big fuck up. A good example of why thinking things through and proper testing time is required when designing aircraft.

[Purpelia]

Will they even fit? Even if they did... seems like a lot of wasted power.

They most definitively would not fit into a real He-111. But I was imagining an aircraft along the same general lines (twin engined tactical bomber) and for the same general role (medium range tactical bombing).

It was one big fuck up. A good example of why thinking things through and proper testing time is required when designing aircraft.

There is that... true. But I was asking more about the general concept of the aircraft after it had been finished to a state where it was basically adopted. As in, is the Il-40 - final edition, production grade or a similar aircraft a good idea for the period?

[Morrdh]

So, I took the tornado and made it heavier, thus giving it the capacity to carry more weapons but also decreasing its TW ratio and maneuverability. Therefore, I'm classing it as a strike aircraft (something like a bomber) rather than a multirole fighter.

Good move? Bad? What situations would it be most useful in?

Why not just use an updated Buccaneer?

I mean I've heard about some Tornados that flew out from Scotland, refuelled by a pair of Buccs in the North Sea, did a bombing exercise in Germany as the Buccs loitered off Norway and flew back to Scotland being refuelled by the Buccs for a second time. Somebody had a look at things and found out that not only could the Buccs have refuelled the Tornados both times that they could've also gone to Germany with 'em.

Though the Buccs would one-up the Tornados during the First Gulf War by getting the RAF's only aircraft kill during that conflict.

[Horizont]

So, I took the tornado and made it heavier, thus giving it the capacity to carry more weapons but also decreasing its TW ratio and maneuverability. Therefore, I'm classing it as a strike aircraft (something like a bomber) rather than a multirole fighter.

Good move? Bad? What situations would it be most useful in?

Why not just use an updated Buccaneer?

I mean I've heard about some Tornados that flew out from Scotland, refuelled by a pair of Buccs in the North Sea, did a bombing exercise in Germany as the Buccs loitered off Norway and flew back to Scotland being refuelled by the Buccs for a second time. Somebody had a look at things and found out that not only could the Buccs have refuelled the Tornados both times that they could've also gone to Germany with 'em.

Though the Buccs would one-up the Tornados during the First Gulf War by getting the RAF's only aircraft kill during that conflict.

Oh, it's not meant to be anti-air. It's mostly for quick, precise ground strikes.

[Morrdh]

Why not just use an updated Buccaneer?

I mean I've heard about some Tornados that flew out from Scotland, refuelled by a pair of Buccs in the North Sea, did a bombing exercise in Germany as the Buccs loitered off Norway and flew back to Scotland being refuelled by the Buccs for a second time. Somebody had a look at things and found out that not only could the Buccs have refuelled the Tornados both times that they could've also gone to Germany with 'em.

Though the Buccs would one-up the Tornados during the First Gulf War by getting the RAF's only aircraft kill during that conflict.

Oh, it's not meant to be anti-air. It's mostly for quick, precise ground strikes.

The Buccaneer was a strike aircraft/bomber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Buccaneer

[Vitaphone Racing]

Will they even fit? Even if they did... seems like a lot of wasted power.

They most definitively would not fit into a real He-111. But I was imagining an aircraft along the same general lines (twin engined tactical bomber) and for the same general role (medium range tactical bombing).

Okay, I'm going to leave this in the "yes but why?" basket because it seems like a strange concept. If you're liking German WW2 aircraft, why not consider something like the Arado Ar234? Or if it has to be from an earlier period, why not a more successful platform like the Ju-88?

It was one big fuck up. A good example of why thinking things through and proper testing time is required when designing aircraft.

There is that... true. But I was asking more about the general concept of the aircraft after it had been finished to a state where it was basically adopted. As in, is the Il-40 - final edition, production grade or a similar aircraft a good idea for the period?

It was a good concept, not that it was a unique one or anything, but seriously it's hard to extract anything good from the Il-40 project. Nobody has much idea how the latest versions of the aircraft flew to my knowledge as the program was cut short prematurely.

[Horizont]

Oh, it's not meant to be anti-air. It's mostly for quick, precise ground strikes.

The Buccaneer was a strike aircraft/bomber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Buccaneer

Eh; mine seems faster, which gives it better survivability.

[Purpelia]

Okay, I'm going to leave this in the "yes but why?" basket because it seems like a strange concept. If you're liking German WW2 aircraft, why not consider something like the Arado Ar234? Or if it has to be from an earlier period, why not a more successful platform like the Ju-88?

The basic idea is this. In the late 1930's my army develops a bomber with the same general idea that drove the 111. It has a glass front canopy, decent speed, range and payload and is powered by a pair of R&R Merlins for good measure. (WIP image)

Now in the mid 1940's (think 42) my designers develop an engine that is akin to the Napier Sabre. And in 1943 they launch a new fighter aircraft powered by it. By this time however, the old bomber is in trouble. It's too slow to dodge fighters, and generally getting old. So my army starts looking for a replacement to fill the same role. And they design a completely new twin engine bomber powered by a pair of sabers as its replacement.

The bomber would serve the same role (tactical bomber) until some time in the late 40's (47-48 maybe) my domestic jet engine industry gets good enough to allow for a mass produced twin engined jet.

That's the general idea at least.

It was a good concept, not that it was a unique one or anything, but seriously it's hard to extract anything good from the Il-40 project. Nobody has much idea how the latest versions of the aircraft flew to my knowledge as the program was cut short prematurely.

Hm... But the general idea of a jet powered dedicated ground attacker IL-2 style is workable. Any advice on how best to develop one?

[Imperializt Russia]

The Buccaneer was a strike aircraft/bomber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Buccaneer

Eh; mine seems faster, which gives it better survivability.

You don't bomb things at top speed.
You don't do an awful lot of flying at top speed, come to think of it.

[Imperializt Russia]

So, I took the tornado and made it heavier, thus giving it the capacity to carry more weapons but also decreasing its TW ratio and maneuverability. Therefore, I'm classing it as a strike aircraft (something like a bomber) rather than a multirole fighter.

Good move? Bad? What situations would it be most useful in?

Why not just use an updated Buccaneer?

I mean I've heard about some Tornados that flew out from Scotland, refuelled by a pair of Buccs in the North Sea, did a bombing exercise in Germany as the Buccs loitered off Norway and flew back to Scotland being refuelled by the Buccs for a second time. Somebody had a look at things and found out that not only could the Buccs have refuelled the Tornados both times that they could've also gone to Germany with 'em.

Though the Buccs would one-up the Tornados during the First Gulf War by getting the RAF's only aircraft kill during that conflict.

A Nasty Surprise (Retard Defence)
On one of the early Red Flag exercises a Buccaneer was intercepted by a particularly determined F5 pilot. The F5 hung on at low-level trying to get a ‘shot off’. The Buccaneer pilot decided to scare him off and dropped a practice bomb. Seeing something fall off the aircraft, the F5 broke off the attack. Subsequent analysis of the video showed that if the practice bomb had been a 1000 pound retard bomb, the F5 would have been blown out of the sky.

A 1000 pound bomb ejects debris and blast up to one thousand feet into the sky. A low-level pursuer would pass directly through this at significant risk of damage to airframe and engines. Even if the aircraft was undamaged the pilot would be rather reluctant to continue for a second helping.

It became standard practice for Buccaneers to carry four retard bombs in the bomb bay for air defence. This was called ‘Retard Defence’. This had the added advantage that these weapons could be used if additional ‘Targets of Opportunity’ were spotted on a mission.

Somehow, "retard defence" sounds quite apt, for shaking off pursuers at low level

[Transnapastain]

Right about what I thought. Well now I just have to design a CAS missile craft that is heavily armored. Fun! Maybe I can make it cute and ugly at the same time like the A-10 itself.

You could look at something like the IL-102 for inspiration?

[Spirit of Hope]

Right about what I thought. Well now I just have to design a CAS missile craft that is heavily armored. Fun! Maybe I can make it cute and ugly at the same time like the A-10 itself.

You could look at something like the IL-102 for inspiration?

Thank you trans for giving me something to look at...

[Novo Portugal]

I don't know anything about Aircrafts, is this one good ?

[Spirit of Hope]

I don't know anything about Aircrafts, is this one good ?

It has ups and downs to it. Ups its a rather stealthy aircraft that would be hard to detect and is multi role. Downs its slower/less maneuverable than comparable aircraft.

Basically it was designed around Beyond Visual Range missile attacks, so that it could fly in undetected launch and then fly away. Unfortunately BVR missiles are not turning out as well as might have been hoped so that idea doesn't work out as well. If some one were to get within visual range of the F-35 they would likely be able to detect and engage it, and would have superior maneuvering to it (assuming came tech levels here). So it depends on the type of fight that your thinking about.