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Novosibirsk Titoists
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Postby Novosibirsk Titoists » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:06 am

This is quite a quirky topic for the Federation, it is illegal and punished by death penalty. A lot of people especially born in USSR support this, but almost same amount of young people view it as a wrong and disgusting choice, their opinion is clearly ignored though. There have been attempts to establish pride parades which have failed horribly by being suppressed by Neotitoist Guard and concerned citizens which have their own firearms and melee weapons(Federation has very permissive weapon laws) even resulting in several casualties. Organisers of such events are quickly found by concerned citizens and questioned before being hanged on public square and used as a shooting target by people that go there to have a good time with a family and relax (which is quite common in the Federation) for several days before they start to rot.
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Jerdena
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Postby Jerdena » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:08 am

Homosexuality is accept as part of normal human sexuality by the majority of Jerdenians. LGBT+ rights are enshrined in the Bill of Rights Act, and same-sex marriage has been legal since 2003. Jerdena is a mostly irreligious country, so religious beliefs on homosexuality have had little political influence. There is a pride parade in the capital every year, and it is attended by the members of Government and other important officials.

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Postby Dominioan » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:08 am

Nope! Nope, nope, nope...N O P E.
Why? Because their stupid! Dumb people can't have kids to become factory workers, they can all die!
im actually pro-gay in real life okay pls dont hurt me
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Tsarus
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Postby Tsarus » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:08 am

Homosexual marriages are not allowed.
To the citizens, acts of homosexuality are viewed with great stigma. One can go to therapy and become straight again though.

OOC I don't support gay marriage nor do I support acts of homosexuality but I have nothing personally against gay people.
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Lillorainen
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Postby Lillorainen » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 am

Homosexuality has been fully accepted in Lillorainen for millennia, along with same-sex marriage having always been completely legal.
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The Land of the Ephyral
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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:37 am

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═───╡❖╞────────═ HOMOSEXUALITY IN EPHYRAL CULTURE ═────────╡❖╞───═
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The Ephyral perception and manifestation of homosexual desires and behaviours differs strikingly from many of its contemporaries. Words for 'heterosexual' and 'homosexual' do not exist as direct translations, though a variety of words indicate the role of a person within a homosexual relationship. With regards to the sexes themselves, it is male-male homosexuality that is of greater social impact and moral concern, and this is a consequence of the restrictive dichotomy through which sex is viewed from the male position.

This dichotomy operates on the active/masculine/dominant/penetrator and the passive/feminine/submissive/penetrated. It allows for overtly penetrative sexual acts as well as more subtle positions of power and control, often focused on who receives pleasure and who is giving it, particularly if the one giving it receives none in turn. Ephyral society is highly patriarchal, and masculinity for a man is defined heavily by activity and dominance. The freeborn citizen male has the right to rule himself and his household, and his protected by his citizenship from compulsion of the body, such as corporal punishment or sexual assault. This impetus towards perpetual activity and control manifests in his ability to govern himself and others, namely his family, in both public affairs and his sexual engagements. Subsequently, the proper way for an Ephyral man to engage in sex is through a conquest psychology; inserting his penis into his partner and deriving pleasure from this act.

So long as an Ephyral man fulfils this active half of the dichotomy, whether his submissive partner is male or female is not at all reflective of his moral character or masculinity. Ephyral men are free to enjoy the sexual company of a male so long as he takes the dominating role. Because all Ephyral men are bound by this expectation, the homosexual relationship takes on a class-based power dynamic, as citizens will seek to penetrate males of inferior social status; often slaves, prostitutes, or other men who are without Ephyral citizenship. An Ephyral man who surrenders his body to be used by other men threatens his liberty as a citizen - committing voluntary the acts he is protected from - and damages his sexual character and masculinity, as he takes the role of a woman. It should be noted however that the female fulfilment of her naturally passive/feminine/submissive/penetrated role to a man is held as superior to a man who profanes his body in the same manner, but from the penetrative position it is a greater act of symbolic conquest to dominate a male.

Socially inferior young males are the archetypical submissive male fantasy, as their youthful looks are seen to enhance feminine qualities that render them more attractive to their socially superior male counterparts to whom they are sexually submissive. So long as an Ephyral man keeps his frequency of sexual indulgence in moderation and expected self-control, for him to keep a male slave or non-citizen free lover as a submissive source of pleasure is seen as healthy and normal, though he may be expected to set this lover aside once married to a woman in order to commit more fully to his familial duties in siring children and heirs. Historical writings by men who kept such young males often depict affectionate attitudes towards them, for as non-citizen males they bring no particular disgrace upon themselves for receiving penetration. On the other hand, a greater number of moralist writers have condemned any male desire to be penetrated as a perversity and a sickness regardless of his social ranking, though few bring criticism upon men who take the dominant role over them.

The view of male-male sex as a conquest is made more apparent through two mediums; rape, and war. The citizen male's protection from sexual abuse is significant because non-citizen males do not have it. Citizen males in their own youth have been known to engage in assault against socially inferior males who lack protection thanks to a status of infamy brought about by being a slave, prostitute, or another form of base entertainer. Though cases may be brought against the perpetrators, they cannot be charged with rape, and if found guilty at all are given only minor punishment. These more aggressive sexual attentions may be brought against females of equivalent disreputable status, and many writers have remarked upon the young Ephyral man's tendency to take 'license' with entertainers and prostitutes. This aggressive behaviour is expected to mellow as a man reaches his mid-20s, and is itself motivated by a quest for honour and recognition in a highly demanding society. By contrast, the rape of a male citizen - especially a freeborn minor - are serious crimes, the violation of the minor bringing death if convicted. An Ephyral man subject to penetration by force suffers no loss of standing, as his rights were violated as opposed to him taking the decision to profane himself.

War is perhaps the most overt of these two mediums however. Wartime sexual abuse in every conflict has brought violation upon males as well as females, and warfare between those of Selian cultures was no exception. Nations and states are often imagined in the feminine, represented and deified as goddesses, defended alongside the nation's women and girls by its men. Military victory is envisioned often as a masculine force dominating and feminising the men it defeats, achieved either symbolically through martial combat or more plainly through subsequent sexual assault. Civilian males and females alike have had reason since the Selian Renaissance and earlier to fear sexual violation by an approaching victorious army, and the mass rape of males by Ephyral or other Selian forces after besieging and taking a city was exceedingly common. These defeated males are rarely taken as slaves however, unlike the women and children who after rape would likely be sold into slavery, and instead were mostly likely killed. Due to the prohibition of same-sex relations between soldiers in the military as a threat to military cohesion, access to garrison prostitutes or war rape was the primary means of military sexual expression, and the certainty of civilian mass rape in a sack made inextricable the relationship between male sexual dominance and warfare itself.

Female homosexuality by contrast is far more difficult to examine due to multiple factors, including; limited historical examination of the subject, the female social role, and lack of clear boundaries for it to push against and receive attention. Typically, female-female sex is viewed as non-existent due to the lack of an organic penetrative organ, and is often imagined to transpire orally when occurring at all. Artificial substitutes for the male phallus have not changed perceptions on the validity of female-female sex. It has been remarked on both as a perversity and an erotic curiosity; the former because the female naturally inhabits the submissive role, and for the submissive to crave the submissive is seen as peculiar at best; the latter precisely because of the same. A woman's sexual virtue is defined by modesty in dress, chastity in character, and refraining from adultery and seduction. This is not threatened pre-maritally or maritally by coupling with another woman, regardless of status. Neither is seen as the effective dominant, and since such dominant behaviour isn't expected, there is no expected virtue of activity as is present within men to be violated. Nor does she waive the right to any protection by partaking in any such activity, as the female defence against rape is guaranteed through her relation to her familial patriarch, and reinforced by her personal honour.

Female sexuality is bound and controlled to preserve the stability of the family and by extension the state, under the safeguard of her familial patriarch, and exclusively utilised for reproduction by her husband. Because copulation with a female can bring no pregnancy, there is no risk to her husband's assurance of paternity over their children. However the limitation to partaking in any such affairs with another citizen woman is primarily physical, as the Ephyral woman's role is confined to the domestic sphere. Though this doesn't restrict her from leaving the house and visiting female friends, and indeed this is part of her responsibility, it can limit to a greater extent than the more publicly-oriented citizen male her time and ability to form and partake in a more equal relationship with another citizen. Female prostitutes and entertainers are regarded as solely for penetrative male use, and thus only Ephyral women who own a female slaves are seen as likely to partake in any homosexual activities.

To do so itself is seen as uncommon, as whilst male writings have described attraction and desire for male and female objects, written information attributed to women describes only, when describing at all, attraction to men. The feminine woman is regarded by society as aroused, particularly when in monthly 'heat', by males exclusively, for the male external phallus may be placed into a receiving male or female equally, but the female can only be filled by the male. Nevertheless, cases of homosexual love between women have in the past been exposed, to varying levels of social response. Shame may be brought on them as a manifestation of immodesty, rather than the nature of the relationship in general, which is seen as preferable to copulation with a man not her husband. Generally however, women who pursue sexual relations with other women may be seen as having a case of hypersexuality, and as a result female-female love is seen as more of a symptom than a condition than a condition unto itself.

Marriage in Ephyra is purely heterosexual and is also arranged, a contract made between two families and a relationship of patron-client formed between the father-in-law and son-in-law, the bride herself being the seal of the union. The shared duty of husband and wife is to procreate and bring forth future citizens and heirs for their household, necessitating that even if either partner has an exclusive attraction for the same sex, social convention demands they marry the opposite and copulate with their spouse. No homosexual 'marriage' can be seen to exist, as a man cannot perform the function of a wife nor a woman the function of a husband. They are complementary spheres the other cannot inhabit. Despite this, a wife may tolerate her husband using a male slave or the frequenting of prostitutes and other 'conquests', male or female, so long as she is satisfied it brings no threat to their household's cohesion. And likewise, if a man's wife were to take her slave girl to bed and seek pleasure from her, he is likewise unlikely to raise issue, and possibly see it as a benefit that his wife is sexually satisfied without interference by another man. His paternity of their children is assured, and his wife has no frustrations that would lead her to adultery.

In conclusion, the perception of homosexuality as a desire and behaviour varies strongly depending on of it's male-male, female-female, and exactly what the social status and physical or symbolic roles the participants are taking. There is no blanket concept of homosexuality to endorse or reject, but rather a highly nuanced system of power and control where morality of action is rooted in position and self-control.




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Postby Shokpos » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:43 am

In most places on Shokpos, homosexuality is legal, as it has been for over 790 years (3000 Earth Years). It has been an important part of social culture for a while, especially in previous eras, thus, most nations have no restrictions placed upon the institution, however gay couples usually don't flaunt their sexuality, but this is the same with straight couples to.

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Legolannd
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Postby Legolannd » Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:11 am

Tsarus wrote:Homosexual marriages are not allowed.
To the citizens, acts of homosexuality are viewed with great stigma. One can go to therapy and become straight again though.

OOC I don't support gay marriage nor do I support acts of homosexuality but I have nothing personally against gay people.

OOC I agree with you. I don't support gays either but I have nothing against gays.

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Postby Legolannd » Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:13 am

Dominioan wrote:Nope! Nope, nope, nope...N O P E.
Why? Because their stupid! Dumb people can't have kids to become factory workers, they can all die!
im actually pro-gay in real life okay pls dont hurt me

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Allarian Lemmek
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Postby Allarian Lemmek » Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:51 am

Homosexuality is simultaneously unusual but not abnormal throughout Allaria, including Lemmek. There are no laws or taboos against homosexual activity, however few people are homosexual (a larger, but still small, proportion of the population are bisexual) and homosexual tendencies have been almost eradicated from the population. Few people would identify themselves with their sexual orientation, regardless of what it is - Lemmekese people are unlikely to call themselves 'gay' or 'straight'.

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Racaza
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Is HomoSexuality illegal

Postby Racaza » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:02 am

Yes, You will be immediately killed if you are gay
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Postby HUElavia » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:06 am

HUElavia is mainly very accepting and understanding of people in the LGBT community, and both Homosexuality and Bisexuality are legal, including Same-Sex Marriages.

Although, many socially conservative people tend to be disapproving of it, and tend to hold rallies and attempt to elect politicians that would restrict the LGBT community, especially in the more conservative states of the country.

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Postby Loydhaven » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:08 am

The Loydhavian government doesn’t care what consenting people do in the bedroom. Loydhaven was founded as a haven for the Loyds who were a atheistic and secular people, so homosexuals, bisexuals, asexuals, etc. we’re welcomed with open arms. All marriages between consenting people are legal and respected.

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Postby National Yorkshire » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:10 am

Homosexuality was legalised under British rule in 1967. Same-sex civil unions were legalised in 2005 and marriage in 2013. However, a contraversial constitutional amendment in 2037 restricted marriage to between a man and a woman, as part of the nationalist "new order" policy. This amendment has not yet been repealed, and civil unions were also prohibited in 2043, although several cities have now reintroduced them in the form of municipal domestic partnerships.
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Belshekistan
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Postby Belshekistan » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:10 am

Homosexuality and homosexual marriage is not illegal in Belshekistan, however citizens feel very differently about it depending on where you are in the nation. For example, homosexuality is generally unheard of in the Soviet State of Russia, while in the Scandinavian states it is much more common and accepted. Homosexuality is not regulated in any way by the government and neither are the people's reactions to it. (unless the homosexual relationship in question is between an adult and a child, in which case there's gonna be an execution. this applies to heterosexual relationships as well)
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Postby Skyhooked » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:11 am

Before 1982, homosexuality was illegal and one could be tortured or burned at stake for even showing first signs of it, because it was deemed "an affront to God and moral fabric". But then, a really violent revolution happened... And when we won, it became a practive totally fine with us. Legal and non-taboo, cuz most conservatives ran off like hell.
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Postby Lanorth » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:15 am

Homosexuality is a capital offence in Alexandria. It is hated amongst the populace. Homosexuality has been illegal since the Fascist Party seized power in 1975. Under the leadership of Supreme Chancellor Roy Hudson-Carter, a purge of homosexuals was launched in 1999 and ended in 2001, with 48,000 homosexuals having been rounded up, arrested and were forced to undergo forced labour in work camps. If they refused to do it or were too weak to continue they were executed. Homosexuality is almost non-existent in Alexandria, considering the fear of being executed or put to work and then being executed. If anyone opens up, the strict Government surveillance will ensure the Government know about it. Those who open up will suffer the same fate of the 48,000 rounded up and killed in 1999-2001. Some speculate the number rounded up since 2001 has been 200,000. If so, they have all suffered the same fate.
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Postby J o J » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:29 am

In J o J, homosexuality isn't illegal in practice within the confines of private property, but marriages conducted by the government are heterosexual only. Foreign marriages are not recognized within J o J either, so the only way for some sort of gay marriage to exist is an illegitimate private marriage. The majority of the government and most of the population don't agree with or support homosexuality, but will allow people with this problem to do what they want in private. Nobody is pushing for it to be banned entirely or for it to be forced into acceptance since extremists of both right wing and left wing nature are not allowed to promote extremist behavior. (White supremacy, 3rd wave feminism, racism in general, identity politics, etc. are all outlawed due to the danger they pose to the state and people.) In accordance with the outlaw of discriminatory and exclusive demonstrations, "gay pride" or "LGBTQ" rallies are prohibited along with white supremacist rallies and neo-nazi rallies.
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Postby Transbiansylvania » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:41 am

The LGBT initiated and acted as leaders throughout the revolution that gave Transbiansylvania its independence. There is no official gender marker on passports, birth certificates, or other official documents, so it's difficult to even tell whether a couple is gay or straight without seeing them in person or speaking to them. Furthermore, with universal socialized healthcare and programs aimed at reducing anti-LGBT stigma and prejudice, transgender citizens find it easy to transition in the manner most fitting to their situation. LGBT politicians represent approximately 10-15% of the top legislative body at any given time, not through affirmative action but simply as a result of elections (there are statutory minimums of representation for women and specific minorities, specific national seats outside the regional seats where women and defined racial minorities vote for people within that designated class to represent them). This means that while heterosexual or cisgendered citizens face no real risk of oppression, there is substantial representation of LGBT concerns in the government.

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Postby The ethno-state of Trashys » Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:00 am

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Postby Aikoland » Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:31 am

Despite our nation's Catholic heritage, our nation has come to be rather accepting of homosexuality, especially in the modern day.

Same-sex sexual activity was officially legalised in 1887 (it had previously been legal between 1812 and 1815, when Aikoland was part of the First French Empire, but following the restoration of our independence, it was recriminalised), with the age of consent being equalised in 1961.

In 2002, Her Majesty's Government first recognised same-sex unions with the passage of the Civil Union Act 2002 and, in 2003, the first national laws prohibiting all discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation were passed by the Affré Government. (Various laws prohibiting anti-gay discrimination had existed on local levels since the late 1980s)

And finally, in 2013, during the premiership of Philippe Chaney of the Conservative Party, a constitutional amendment was passed by both chambers of Parliament officially recognising same-sex marriage nationwide once it became part of the constitution in 2014.

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Tsarus wrote:Homosexual marriages are not allowed.
To the citizens, acts of homosexuality are viewed with great stigma. One can go to therapy and become straight again though.

OOC I don't support gay marriage nor do I support acts of homosexuality but I have nothing personally against gay people.

OOC I agree with you. I don't support gays either but I have nothing against gays.

OOC:
There is literally zero fucking difference between being anti-gay and claiming you have 'nothing against gay people but think they shouldn't have equal rights' because, in both cases, you are saying that gay people, such as myself, don't deserve to be treated on an equal basis with heterosexual people nor do we deserve the same basic rights and dignities as granted to them.

This is literally no different than someone in the 1950s - 1960s in the USA claiming to not hate black people, but they don't support them having the same rights as the white majority.
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Postby -Californiaa- » Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:04 pm

All LGBT sexuality is illegal in California. We outlawed it in 2021, after the new Conservative government was elected.

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Postby Royaltonn » Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:05 pm

Homosexuality is illegal in all forms in Royaltonn, along with Bisexualuality and Transgender.

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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:34 pm

Aikoland wrote:OOC:
There is literally zero fucking difference between being anti-gay and claiming you have 'nothing against gay people but think they shouldn't have equal rights' because, in both cases, you are saying that gay people, such as myself, don't deserve to be treated on an equal basis with heterosexual people nor do we deserve the same basic rights and dignities as granted to them.

This is literally no different than someone in the 1950s - 1960s in the USA claiming to not hate black people, but they don't support them having the same rights as the white majority.

OOC: To add on, the better description for myself OOCly would be that I have nothing against both the straights and gays. Hell, as long as it's between two consenting adults, love away! ♥

I support homosexuality, but I just don't roll that way. ^^;
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Postby Ultimate Destructive Fighting Nation » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:41 pm

Legolannd wrote:What are your nations views on homosexuality?
In Legolannd, homosexual relationships are illegal and gay marriages are regarded as disgusting.

Legolanndians are extremely anti-gay, and view it as a choice of crazy people.

During the Liberal Takeover of 1978, same-sex marriage was briefly legal in the state of Norfolk before the terrorists were arrested.

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