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Postby Pheonisland » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:09 pm

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By a vote of the overwhelming majority, the government of President Zephyros Acacius and his ruling party, The Capitalism Now Party, opposed the Demands Euthanasia Bill in Pheonisland which was presented by the Concilii (Phoenician Parliament) this evening.



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The Phoenician government's report on the ten reasons
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Pheonisland opened last week, in The Concilii, the debate on the decriminalization of assisted death and the door for the introduction of Euthanasia. The initiative, which started from the citizen platform "Die with Dignity", joins the bill that prepared the parties of the left.
"Alleviate yes, kill no", "Listen and know", "Observe and commit" and "Stop euthanasia" were some of the slogans that could be seen at the door of Parliament, in a demonstration that aims to fight against the decriminalization of death assisted.

The debate is open: Assisted death? Euthanasia Should politicians regulate the death of a terminally ill patient? Who is the owner of life and death? The Phoenician society was immersed in the debate.

We offer within the debate, the arguments that Mr. President Zephyros Acacius offered during the proposal of The Socialist Party (SP) to legalize euthanasia. The vote was mostly against:


Why is not it good to legalize euthanasia?

1- Legal euthanasia favors a "dangerous slope" against the right to life in other fields.

In Holland, euthanasia is applied not only to the sick, but simply to people who do not want to live, such as the octogenarian socialist senator Brongersma, who asked and managed to be "finalized" not because he was sick or depressed, but because he was tired of living.

It is estimated that 300 babies are left to die every year in the Netherlands due to being born with disabilities and there are cases (in this rich country) of denying the implantation of pacemakers over 75 years of age; euthanasia favors other actions of "elimination of the useless".


2- Euthanasia worsens the doctor-patient relationship and even the patient-family relationship

Is there any margin for the sick, elderly or disabled, to continue to maintain that full confidence in those who, until now, had an obligation - almost sacred - to seek the healing of their ailments? Who will impose on the potential victim the duty to trust his executioner? Who can give back to the Dutch sick their sense of trust in the medical class? And how can I trust that the doctor will make an effort for my life if my relatives press in the opposite direction?

3- Euthanasia discourages investment in palliative care and pain treatments

From 1995 to 1998, Holland hardly invested in palliative care; only since 1998 has he invested in palliative care, but always presented as another alternative, euthanasia being the most supported by institutions and even by society. There is a tendency to think that if treating pain with palliative care is expensive, the cheap option should be encouraged: kill the sick person.

4- Euthanasia perverts medical ethics that since Hippocrates has focused on eliminating pain, not eliminating the patient

Doctors insist that euthanasia, like abortion, are not medical acts, since the purpose of medicine is to cure, and if it can not be cured at least mitigate the pain, and in any case attend and accompany. Euthanasia does not cure anything. Physicians who enter a euthanasic mentality incorporate it into their professional vision and forget Hippocrates. It is significant that the first regime that establishes euthanasia from the old Roman paganism is Nazi Germany .

5- Euthanasia is not requested by free people, but almost always by depressed people, mentally or emotionally disturbed

When you are alone, old, sick, paralyzed after an accident ... it is easy to suffer anxiety and depression that lead to wanting to die. In a country without euthanasia, doctors and therapists strive to cure this depression, return the will to live and almost always succeed if the environment helps. On the contrary, in a country with euthanasia, instead of striving to eliminate depression, it tends to eliminate the depressed "because he asks for it".

6- Euthanasia is not a human right, it is not included in the European Convention on Human Rights, for example

According to the European Court of Human Rights, in the case of Dianne Pretty in 2002, there is no right to seek death, either from a third party or with the assistance of public authorities. The right to personal autonomy is not superordinate of the States to protect the lives of the individuals under their jurisdiction.

7- Euthanasia, like suicide, is contagious

Once a depressed person commits suicide, other depressed people in their environment can copy their behavior more easily. This is true in suicides with or without assistance, which includes euthanasia.


8- Euthanasia makes difficult the work of therapists who work with the handicapped, depressed, sick ...

People who help others to live with a serious disability or in harsh circumstances see their work sabotaged by the other option, euthanasia, which legalized appears with attractive insistence as an easy way out for the sick.

9- Euthanasia will tend to eliminate the poorest and weakest

Like abortion, euthanasia will tend to become especially accessible and promoted among economically weaker classes, disadvantaged ethnic groups, etc ... By neglecting the offer in palliative care, these will be a luxury only for people with means of acquisition.

10- Legal euthanasia will not prevent illegal euthanasia, but will empower them

As in the case of abortion, passing a law that allows euthanasia "with all the controls that are needed" will not prevent the spread of the fraud of the law, the written permits without examining the patient, the laxity in the application of the law and the generalized fraud of law.
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Postby Azlaake » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:11 pm

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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:16 pm

Euthanasia is legal here in Bluelight, but strongly discouraged as life should be valued.

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Postby Paleoconservative Citizens » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:24 pm

Euthanasia is illegal here, because I value every last second of life. Even if it's spent in unconsciousness. Life is very fragile.
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Postby The Unified American Federation » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:40 pm

Euthanasia is legal in all territories of the American Federation. However we do everything we can to ensure it is only a last resort option.

People shouldn't have to suffer a painful and prolonged death, and with the option and reassurance that should they wish to, they have the option to die on their own terms, by their own choice with approval from multiple doctors, they have the right to do so.

However, in doing taking their own lives, the family of the deceased must ensure that the departed has all government issued documentation turned in to be decommissioned and unable to be used after their death within 7 days of a Death Certificate being issued. That means National Bank Credit cards, ID, Passport, etc. Then after all is said and done, the Family is given a Tax Return to cover Funeral costs. (Most go for Cremation since it's incredibly cheap)

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Postby Barfleur » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:28 am

It is completely legal, though only really used as a last resort.

To separate it from murder, the recipient must freely give affirmative consent without any undue pressure. Consent can be withdrawn at any time until death occurs.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:34 am

Euthanasia remains illegal and opposed by most of the Assembly, due to concerns over sanctity of life and personhood - among others.
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Postby Rezmaeristan » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:37 am

Illegal in all cases. Those who provide it can expect punishment equaling that of murder.
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Postby Scorpio Spikal » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:17 pm

Legal, but most Scorpio Spikal civilians don't like getting their hands on weapons. In 2051, there was no reported euthanasia but about 90 suicides, the most ever.
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Postby Sebourg » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:18 pm

Legal if the patient consents. We don't let arbitrary religious or moral taboos get in the way of personal autonomy and self-determination. This also holds true for abortion, recreational drug use, cloning, and stem cell research.

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Postby Lanorth » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:21 pm

Illegal. If you are found ti be helping people end their lives you would be sentenced to a decade and a half of prsion or half a decade in a work camp.
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Postby Independent Pacific Junta » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:26 pm

It is only legal under the circumstances of destroyed genitalia, terminal illness or vegetablehood. A PH Division doctor will administer a single pistol shot to the head, as death by a gunshot is fast and dignified, more so than by any other means except for variable-drop hanging, which would be less convenient.

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Postby Vallermoore » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:16 pm

Legal, but discouraged greatly unless the person is paralysed from the neck down, has a terminal, painful and incurable disease, or is seriously mentally ill and cannot be cured.

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:19 pm

Sometimes legal, the extent of the condition weighs in.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:32 pm

Only active euthanasia is legal on the national level. Meaning that a team of doctors administers the chemicals needed to induce death, assisted suicide is illegal on the national level

In order to under go euthanasia one must have either an untreatable degenerative disease, have a disease that is treatable but treatments cause pain, or have a debilitating physical aliment. One must also have a full psychological examination, be 21 years or older, have full mental self-awareness for the past 6 months, have no history of self harm, and have a three week waiting period.

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Postby The Natufian Nation » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:06 pm

There is no formal legislation regarding euthanasia in the Natufian Nations but it would fall under doctor-patient privilege and the right of the patient to receive or refuse any treatment or remedy deemed appropriate by his or her physician. The law does not prohibit doctors from allowing or assisting patients in voluntarily ending their life, but nor does it give them safe harbor provisions for potential malpractice litigation. Private hospitals may have internal policies regulating life-ending procedures, however, such as requirements for an endorsement by additional physicians, approval by the hospital administrator or a statement of support by the patient's family.

That said, ritual suicide is perfectly acceptable in Natufian culture when an individual feels he or she can no longer offer any value to others, is free of all obligations and is either in untreatable pain or facing irreversible decline in health, especially cognitive abilities. This is usually done privately or with a close family member but a doctor's assistance is occasionally sought, like when the individual is confined to a hospital. This almost always takes the form of doctor-assisted suicide and not active euthanasia, except for a handful of occasions when the patient lacked motor functions. The issue has never been brought up at the federal level for consideration by the High Chief and Council of Elders. Natufians are very accepting of the cycle of life and death.

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Postby Domina Nostra Nova Terra » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:12 pm

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God Bless You and Your Nation,

Euthanasia and all barbaric practises that violate the dignity of life are barred in the Patriarchate and we are glad to see your nation has taken the steps to ensure likewise. I appreciate your Party's commitment to the sanctity of human life and extend our hand in help to find better ways to treat illness.

May you continue to govern wisely.

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Postby The Natufian Nation » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:34 am

Independent Pacific Junta wrote:It is only legal under the circumstances of destroyed genitalia, terminal illness or vegetablehood. A PH Division doctor will administer a single pistol shot to the head, as death by a gunshot is fast and dignified, more so than by any other means except for variable-drop hanging, which would be less convenient.


Wait, destroyed genitalia is specifically stated as a reason? One must wonder, does that happen a lot in the IPJ? Your tourism rate must be quite low! :)

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God Bless You and Your Nation,

Euthanasia and all barbaric practises that violate the dignity of life are barred in the Patriarchate and we are glad to see your nation has taken the steps to ensure likewise. I appreciate your Party's commitment to the sanctity of human life and extend our hand in help to find better ways to treat illness.

May you continue to govern wisely.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:15 pm

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From the government of Greater Miami Shores, while we share many economic, political, cultural and religious views, we strongly disagree with Pheonisland on Euthanasia, it is legal in Greater Miami Shores, no questions asked for all persons regardless of age under the following conditions,

Suffering from a terminal illness, suffering from intolerable pain, suffering from emotional, physical or psychological, mental pains and illnesses such as depressions. Doctors who volunteer, will be Licensed to administer the euthanasia as painless and quick as possible, similar to how Veterinarians put our beloved dogs, cats and pets to sleep and rest.

The law was passed by parliament 51 % percent for to 49 % percent against. The law was signed into law by President Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Vice President Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, has indicated support for the law as well.

We share this thread with you, our close friend and ally Pheonisland, Please Do not vote or post on this thread Posted Tuesday June 17 2014 at 2:02 PM Miami Shores Time.
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:01 am

Euthanasia is legal, but the circumstances surrounding it are quite different from what is typical for biologicals.

First, we need to clarify how things work with us robots -

BODIES are just vehicles for our minds, which are entirely made of code. It is the usual practice for us to mind-transfer to new bodies when the old ones get to the point that they need frequent repairs or are so damaged (usually by battle or misadventure) that it's better to just get a new one. The old bodies, now mindless, are then melted down and recycled into new parts. This is not considered euthanasia, because no death results. The actual person remains just fine, enjoying his perfectly-working new body.

Because of this, Decepticon euthanasia does not refer to shutting down a mere body. It is only euthanasia if the MIND is permanently shut down in a painless way, and THEN the hardware that contains the mind is destroyed (without transferring the mind out first), so that reactivation is never possible.

With that said -


Euthanasia is very rare here, but like most other things in the Empire, it IS legal. It is used when a Decepticon has coding errors that are so widespread and catastrophic that fixing them would alter the patient's personality to the point that he would essentially be turned into another person. We consider such a radical change to mean that the original person is dead anyway, so it's seen as better, more dignified for the patient, and more ethical to simply shut him down rather than try to cobble together a new, adult-level personality that is but a grotesque mimicry of the original.

Thankfully, the science of debugging has advanced to such a degree that euthanasia is hardly ever needed anymore. Only in rare, freak circumstances is it impossible for a Debugging Center to restore the original person to the way his Code is truly supposed to run.

Notably, we do not have issues like irreparable physical pain, nor do we have terminal physical illnesses. All mechanical things that aren't immediately fatal can easily be fixed with the appropriate new parts or by mind-transferring to a new body.
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Miami Shores Jewish Minister of Health Care - Doctor Mark Silverman
Phoenician Minister of Health - Nikomachos Hilarion

From the government of Greater Miami Shores, while we share many economic, political, cultural and religious views, we strongly disagree with Pheonisland on Euthanasia, it is legal in Greater Miami Shores, no questions asked for all persons regardless of age under the following conditions,

Suffering from a terminal illness, suffering from intolerable pain, suffering from emotional, physical or psychological, mental pains and illnesses such as depressions. Doctors who volunteer, will be Licensed to administer the euthanasia as painless and quick as possible, similar to how Veterinarians put our beloved dogs, cats and pets to sleep and rest.

The law was passed by parliament 51 % percent for to 49 % percent against. The law was signed into law by President Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Vice President Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, has indicated support for the law as well.

We share this thread with you, our close friend and ally Pheonisland, Please Do not vote or post on this thread Posted Tuesday June 17 2014 at 2:02 PM Miami Shores Time.
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In Uncle Happy, citizens are considered an expendable resource, not free-willed beings. In the interests of efficiency and profit, workers who can no longer serve their purpose (due to old age, sickness, or injury) are not kept around at the state's expense. Same for political prisoners and other "problem" citizens. Though for the latter case, the punishment is far worse than death.

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