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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:49 am
by Ah-eh-ioh-uh
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:19 am
by Hamidiye
No, the precise opposite in fact. A stupid sibject does not prosper and thus cannot be fleeced by the local defterdar for the war-effort of the empire. Along the late 16th century public education shifted in focus, was beginning to be seen as useful towards the war-effort of the Empire. A stupid soldier who cannot read and count is not exactly useful either.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:27 am
by Ah-eh-ioh-uh
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:29 am
by Blodrike
Such a thing never existed in Blodrike in the first place. Just like forcing citizens to sing a national anthem or recite a pledge of allegiance, compulsory education is nothing but another form of indoctrination. Which we consider harmful, no matter if the indoctrinating is done by an individual or the state. Besides, why learn fancy literature and math if all you're going to do is butcher horses?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:30 am
by Ah-eh-ioh-uh
Hamidiye wrote:No, the precise opposite in fact. A stupid sibject does not prosper and thus cannot be fleeced by the local defterdar for the war-effort of the empire. Along the late 16th century public education shifted in focus, was beginning to be seen as useful towards the war-effort of the Empire. A stupid soldier who cannot read and count is not exactly useful either.


Am I to assume your nation is militaristic and "Fleecing" means trained or forged for battle? Interesting concept.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:35 am
by Ah-eh-ioh-uh
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:50 am
by Hamidiye
Ah-eh-ioh-uh wrote:
Hamidiye wrote:No, the precise opposite in fact. A stupid sibject does not prosper and thus cannot be fleeced by the local defterdar for the war-effort of the empire. Along the late 16th century public education shifted in focus, was beginning to be seen as useful towards the war-effort of the Empire. A stupid soldier who cannot read and count is not exactly useful either.


Am I to assume your nation is militaristic and "Fleecing" means trained or forged for battle? Interesting concept.


Uneducated citizens mean less tax income, and war costs money. Besides uneducated people make for bad soldiers, not to mention the ideological component.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:34 am
by Oswyn Islands
By Gott, nein! Public and compulsory education is deeply entrenched in our society. Only lunatics and anarchists would argue against compulsory education.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:53 am
by Alpenzell
Oswyn Islands wrote:By Gott, nein! Public and compulsory education is deeply entrenched in our society. Only lunatics and anarchists would argue against compulsory education.

This sentiment is shared by Alpenzellers.

A compulsory state education is the foundation of an actualized populace who are aware of their rights, have a basic moral compass, and can think critically. A homeschooled person or a wilfull drop-out will lack a proper and balanced basic education; they will have a much harder time being culturally, politically, and economically engaged in society.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:16 am
by Greater Satanic Leviathan
We are going the opposite direction. Although education has been traditionally provided by church, mosque, and synagogue, we now see the need for a mandatory public education system where children will be taught Satanic moral values such as Darwinism, abortion, contraception, marijuana, and rock music.

Our government is considering legislation to establish such a system and make it mandatory. If parents want their children to learn their religion they can do that after school.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:44 am
by Ah-eh-ioh-uh
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:48 am
by Ah-eh-ioh-uh
Oswyn Islands wrote:By Gott, nein! Public and compulsory education is deeply entrenched in our society. Only lunatics and anarchists would argue against compulsory education.


I'm guessing that's German? I'm not a languge expert but I expect your nation has some things shared with German culture?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:49 am
by Oswyn Islands
Ah-eh-ioh-uh wrote:
Oswyn Islands wrote:By Gott, nein! Public and compulsory education is deeply entrenched in our society. Only lunatics and anarchists would argue against compulsory education.


I'm guessing that's German? I'm not a languge expert but I expect your nation has some things shared with German culture?

Oswyn Islands, or known locally and in Germany/Austria as Paradiesinseln, was a Prussian and later German colony from the late 1700s and on until the First World War. It was then under British administration but had resented the Brits until independence in 1975.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:55 am
by Ah-eh-ioh-uh
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:22 am
by Alpenzell
Ah-eh-ioh-uh wrote:
Heated discussion sparked by this incident called into question what to do about parents who would petition to get their child back. Eventually other nations would accuse Terravivus of child kidnapping and many Terravivans turned such an accusation back on the other nations, noting how law enforcement forcibly drag children off to some location against their will. Vivan authority delegated that sending that child back to the nation he came from was absolutely unthinkable and would be tantamount to aiding in immoral actions seeing as compulsory education is considered wrong in Vivan culture. It was decided that many families from nations with compulsory education would be barred from living in the Empire. The logic was that any parents who allow armed men to put hands on their children and drag them somewhere against their will are unfit for parenthood. Most parents with children in these nations are forbidden from having children in the Empire as well.

I'm not sure you understand how sovereignty works. Though your government absolutely has the right to bar foreigners from living within your borders, a family living in your country would be bound by your country's laws, regardless of where they come from.

Another country would have no inherent right to snatch and forcibly repatriate individuals for civic matters - doing so would be a costly covert operation and risks triggering an international backlash.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:59 am
by Ah-eh-ioh-uh
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:08 pm
by Old Beringia
Beringian children are required to be educated for the good of the nation as a whole, regardless of what path in life is chosen for them. There was a brief period during the Civil War (1984-1999) where such policies were suspended citing the welfare of children. During that time parents were directed to home school their children if public schooling would endanger their lives. The growing number of unaccompanied minors were generally still schooled in programs administered by provincial governments. These policies were quickly overturned following the end of the war and a massive program was undertaken by the government to locate and educate the children around the nation.

Beringians hold the collective above that of the individual, and the privilege of self determination is often conflicting or at odds with the priorities of wider society.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:31 pm
by Ah-eh-ioh-uh
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:35 pm
by Calaius
To NOT go to school and get an education, at least a high school diploma is outlawed here. We dont want the stupid kind here. Stupidity breeds more stupidity. That breeds poverty and crime. Those breed violence and drugs.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:26 pm
by Brystolville
Education is very compulsory in Brystolville. All children from age 5 to age 21 must be in school from 7:00 in the morning until 5:00 at night, or until 6:00 at night in Brystolville City. Homeschooling is banned, and almost all students attend state schools. Some 112 independent schools and faith schools remain in Brystolville, though Parliament has been considering legislation to close these institutions and integrate students with their peers.

Truancy is taken very seriously in Brystolville. In the City of Brystolville, the Metropolitan Police maintains a Truant Division separate from the Schools Division/School Police to investigate absences and apprehend truant students. Outside the City, each commune must employ at least one full-time truant officer per 1,000 students as part of its Commune Police staff. Parents can be fined between £250 and £500 for absences, and higher fines of up to £1,000 can be authorised by a judge in cases of habitual truants. Truant officers work closely with the Community Safety Agency and the various welfare agencies to ensure that parents' poverty, abusive behaviour, reactionary political views, religion, and illiteracy do not hold students back from attending school. Serious habitual cases can be transferred to Closed Residential Schools (Type 1).

All children in Brystolville must take the National Baccalaureate Exam at age 18 (unless excused or adjusted for disability) and the National Leaving Exam at age 21. Students who fail the NBE are transferred to Closed Residential Schools (Type 2) until they pass or age out of the school system at 21.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:21 am
by Estado Novo Portugues
Only religious (Catholic) education is compulsory in the Ecclesiastical State. Other subjects, especially the sciences, are considered useless or even heretical. In addition, male citizens have an obligation to perform 2 years of military service.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:39 am
by Great Nortend
In Great Nortend, there is compulsory education provided in conjunction with the Church of Nortend and the Board of Schools. Every state school and nearly every independent school is operated or associated with the Church of Nortend, given that school masters are required by law to hold licences from their diocesan bishop.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:48 am
by Lillorainen
While the competence education politics are entirely left up to the single constituent states, school education is compulsory all over the Federation of Lillorainen. All States have already introduced this policy long before the FL was formed. While the original reason was to prevent children from ending up in 'sweat shops', we nowadays consider a well-educated populace a pillar of society that is not only beneficial, but inevitably necessary for the whole country. We believe that, at least our society couldn't work without any basic education for everyone. (Yours might be different, though - this is a statement, not a judgement.)

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:17 pm
by Ah-eh-ioh-uh
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:26 pm
by Lillorainen
Ah-eh-ioh-uh wrote:
Lillorainen wrote:While the competence education politics are entirely left up to the single constituent states, school education is compulsory all over the Federation of Lillorainen. All States have already introduced this policy long before the FL was formed. While the original reason was to prevent children from ending up in 'sweat shops', we nowadays consider a well-educated populace a pillar of society that is not only beneficial, but inevitably necessary for the whole country. We believe that, at least our society couldn't work without any basic education for everyone. (Yours might be different, though - this is a statement, not a judgement.)


Oh don't you worry about a thing dear friend. I took no offense at all. You see, Terravivus simply does not have compulsory education the way where a police officer is allowed to place their hands on the children and force them to attend against their will. We DO however have laws in place that prohibit parents from explicitly BARRING children from an education. You see, The Empire requires parents to make some EFFORT to at least teach a child the basics. Education across the empire is free and no parent may interfere in the child's thirst for knowledge. Homeschooling and home tutors are VERY common here. A parent is required by law to offer the child some pathway into learning the ins and outs of navigating through Vivan society as a respectable and well educated citizen. This is very flexible and can be anything from simply teaching them at home, hiring tutors or public/private schooling.

There IS a curriculum but it IS practical and COMPLETELY applicable to day to day life. This can even be simply letting the child have free and unrestricted access through a library. There is a curriculum but that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to learn anything ELSE. Along with the required curriculum there are any number of electives a child may indulge in. The bottom line is though, is that police officers must absolutely NEVER place their hands on a child in the way that other nations have truancy officers. To see a grown person seize hold of a child and put them into a vehicle makes Vivans quite uncomfortable here and is seen as kidnapping rather than law enforcement here.

Ah, I see. I've already assumed that getting rid of mandatory schooling makes more sense for your society rather than for, let's say for this case, ours. Thinking it through, it's quite a reasonable alternative model - similar ones have already been considered in the FL - so the paragraph above just displays the status quo. Nothing's forever. Not even we are. ^^