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Maichuko
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Postby Maichuko » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:57 am

Maichukoan Aristocracy
In Numbers:There are 27 Noble Houses within the Empire, each with thousands of members but only a few dozen from each hold real power.
In Politics:The council of San is the upper legislature of the government with the Emperor as its head. Two Member's each are drawn exclusively from each Noble house.
In media:Most news outlets are owned by the Imperial family or other nobility.
In education:Most children will either attend private schools or have tutors.
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Alpenzell
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Postby Alpenzell » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:45 pm

Alpenzell's traditional aristocracy was formed from medieval and enlightenment-era lesser nobility, upper clergy, and the upper mercantile classes. This was a very small proportion of the population, as the majority were employed in agriculture, local trades, small-scale merchant activity, military enlistment, local/lower-tier church activity, or in general labour.

However, after the social and technological upheavals of the late 1700s onwards, social mobility increased dramatically with economic growth. As the clergy and nobility began to decline in relative importance and many more persons were freed from their fuedal labour, commerce and education exploded.

The current aristocracy is more of an educated and well-connected elite with guaranteed job prospects, technological savvy, and usually a family income in the top 10% of the scale. This new aristocracy rarely does with (and most often does without) noble or church connections.

Looks like someone also read the Atlantic article on the New Aristocracy.
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Silver Commonwealth
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Postby Silver Commonwealth » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:39 pm

In Numbers:Most of the aristocratic members were killed either by FAE during its conquests, or other two superstates. Descendants of those, who managed to survive, however, don't receive any special privileges, and often are even proles.
In Politics:Aristocracy has almost no influence in SC, even in places like Belgium, Japan, or English, due of SC's extremely zealous republicanism.
In media:They typically are portrayed in a negative light, and often are called as ''pompous figures, which can't be useful in any way''.
In education:See above.
In pictures:They typically can't be distinguished from proles. Only a few of them are admirals, war commanders, or something else.
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Great Nortend
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Postby Great Nortend » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:36 am

In Numbers: Approximately 5 per cent of the population is in the aristocratic classes, which corresponds to around 1,650,000 people. Of this, only 265 are peers, the rest being relations of peers. This includes furthermore the large number of local Lords of the Manor and landed gentry who are not generally considered to be aristocrats.
In Politics: The upper chamber of the legislature of Great Nortend, the Houses of Lords, includes as one of its constituent bodies the House of Peers, formally known as the House of the Most Noble Princes and Lords. It is comprised of male members of the titled aristocracy, being peers. It is considered the more powerful house, as it is able to veto any legislation presented to it by the Houses of Commons. The Prime Minister is always drawn from the House of Peers.
In media: The media is run mostly by commoners, though many peers have stakes in or sit on the boards of various powerful newspapers and media corporations. Newspapers and other media are often reluctant to cast any aspersions upon the aristocracy owing to their great power both politically and judicially. Many celebrities in the media are often the younger children of various peers.
In education: The aristocracy generally favours a system of home tutelage for children. Whereas upper middle class and upper class boys around the age between eight and ten are sent to preparatory school, aristocratic boys nearly always have home tutelage under a governess or schoolmaster until they are eleven, whence they are sent to a public (independent) school to board. It is then customary for them to attend one of the universities for their Master of Arts.
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Bourbon Francia
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Postby Bourbon Francia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:16 pm

Nobility still exists, but nobility from the Ancien Régime is even more rare. In 1789, there were over 17,000 noble families in France, but now there 2,800 families. Most of these came from the First Empire and Emperor Napoleon I bestowed their titles and status on to them, some were the newly founded House of Bonaparte. Some old nobles got restored along with the Bourbon restoration in 1815, but some survived after the Second Imperial restoration of 1852 under Emperor Louis Napoleon III. Current nobility hold titles that are mostly honorific and have legal recognition, but only have properties that they still held onto, which are personal and traditional residences. A lot of them entered the world of business, industrial, and entertainment as they could not have lived on family fortune alone, some houses were in debt, some were not, and they no longer had the same political duties as they did under the Ancien Régime, if they wanted political power, they had to acquire it through the democratic process.
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Workers SFSR
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Postby Workers SFSR » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:20 pm

The proletariat is the ruling class in the Soviet Republic. Both the aristocratic and the capitalistic classes have been abolished.

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Ungvarnfjall
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Postby Ungvarnfjall » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:23 pm

In Numbers: The highest echelong of Ungvarnfjall make up <1% of Society.
In Politics: Nobles and Aristocrats are the only people with genuine power on the Government.
In media: The people who write heralds and papers are considered rather high-ranking members of society as it is, but media rarely mentions them.
In education: Most Nobles become Teachers of some kind.
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Czethuania
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Postby Czethuania » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:01 pm

Extract from 'The Czethuanian Political Reader', p.54 (Dr. H. Tallinger, Oakmoor Press, New York, 151 UE/2002 AD)

Nobility of Czethuania

Prof. Margaret Phearson once quipped that "the interplay of the Order of St. Olaf and the Czethuanian nobility is like flipping a four sided coin for six hundred years". The role and power of Czethuanian nobility from the formation of the Velkeβchtadt in the 14th Century until today has varied wildly. Currently the nobility are considered a fairly benign class who, due to the nation's fairly even spread of wealth, generally conform to the same lifestyles as the average citizen. Titles are hereditary, and until 1963, were exclusively patriarchal. If there are no eligible heirs, the title becomes 'vacant' and the OSt.O Archdeacon Synod will select a recipient from a pool of candidates. Until 1851 the choice of candidates was exclusively that of the Synod, but this changed after Unification when the House of Redress gained the power to field an equal number. After further reforms in 1987 the citizens now have the right to do likewise through a one man one vote system. It is traditional to create a new title with every sixth vacant position, but this is not always adhered to.

The nobility, despite not having any greater comparative wealth, do still retain a great deal of power in Czethuanian society. They're the members of The Councils of Proper and Alter, the penultimate house of legislature in the tricameral system. As such they have the power of veto over bills from the House of Redress, but can in turn be vetoed by the OSt.O, and as discussed previously, cannot use or be blocked by said powers six times. Thus the nobility's role in Czethuania today could best be summed up as a sort of local government with tremendous oversight powers.

Like all of Czethuanian politics, these interlayered differening degrees of potence versus potential ultimately stem from the War of Tyrol. In 1364...'

[End of extract]
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Saranidia
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Postby Saranidia » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:38 am

Sierra Mojave wrote:Does any variation of or equivalent (de facto or de jure) to aristocracy exist in YN? (not the form of government)
Again this includes de facto aristocratic classes, not a literal aristocracy. The wealthiest and most powerful class in YN

The aristocracy is a social class that a particular society considers its highest order. In many states, the aristocracy included the upper class of people (aristocrats) with hereditary rank and titles

Please go into detail explaining the aristocracy/wealthy ruling class if one exists, or why one doesn't. I provided a handful of general topics to add depth. (but feel free to include any other information that is relevant.
In Numbers: 1-20% depending on how it is measured
In Politics: 90% of legislature members are considered part of the elite(millitary commissioned officers, police officers ranked inspector and above, people with doctorates and clerics) although referendums are more common
In media: Millitary News(an accurate but moderately biased newspaper and tv channel documenting a variety of subjects relating to politics or the millitary)
In education: education is very much valued by the academic, religious , medical, police and judicial establishments. Headteachers are also considered aristocrats.
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An Arab leader of the Qadafah tribe, Islamic scholar and former Colonel(with the Al-Saud desert warfare medal and JD) and his bodyguards welcoming an African human human rights expert(with a PHD and the Summayah Civilian Gallantry Medal).


In numbers:
In Sierra Mojave, the top 11% of the population, or aristocrats, (by household income) is considered a modern aristocratic class, but is sometimes extended to include the top 47% of the population to include the upper middle class. (With the lower middle class(es) making up the bottom 53%) Average household income for the top 11% exceeds $500,000, average household income for the top 47% sits around $210,000, and average income for the bottom 53% is roughly $57,000. Note, there are multiple tiers to the lower middle class, as it's generally an umbrella term for the lower 2-3 classes and people below the poverty line.

In politics:
54% of politicians were born into the aristocracy, an additional 21% born into the upper middle class, and only 25% born to the lower middle classes. Policy almost always favors the upper middle class as they are the largest class and is generally justified because the upper classes provide significantly more tax revenue (despite having lower tax rates). Years of rule by the wealthiest has given the upper classes significant advantages in education, taxation, representation, etc.

Additionally, the upper classes are typically exempt from laws (with exceptions of major offenses, of course). Wealthy teenagers routinely drink alcohol, use drugs, break traffic laws, etc. with absolutely no repercussions.

In media:
The vast majority of celebrities are in the aristocracy. The vast majority of major television series are focused on the upper middle class and aristocracy. Fashion is greatly influenced by wealth and the culture of Sierra Mojave is considered flashy and snobby. Being rich has always been in style in Sierra Mojave, knock-off brands are all but illegal. However, the media does often paint a bad picture of the upper classes and wealth inequality but is generally ignored as such a large portion of the population benefits from the de facto aristocracy.

Additionally, the upper classes rarely interact with the lower classes in any meaningful way, they generally attend separate schools and facilities. Marriage between the two major groups are extremely uncommon. There is a deep hatred towards the upper classes that also acts as a major barrier between the two groups.

In education:
Less than 2% of children born into the aristocracy attend public schools, nearly all attend elite institutions and universities. Roughly 50% of the upper middle class sends their children to public schools, but this is generally only in areas where the school quality is especially high. School performance in upper middle class neighborhoods is exceptional, with a nearly 100% graduation rate nationwide and a unbelievably high scores. Aided by phenomenal facilities as district lines and school zones are usually drawn to exclude lower tax brackets, providing a relatively small amount of schools with high levels of funding.

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Student flying home from university on family private jet for the summer

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Private school outside of San Jose, Sierra Mojave

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6 year old girl gifted $500,000 car for birthday

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Upper middle class home in the Northwest

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Wealthy high schoolers charter private helicopter for spring break trip to Coronado/San Diego
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United New Mahisia
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Postby United New Mahisia » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:51 am

In Numbers:

Around 3% of the population have large amounts of wealth which they in turn use to justify exertion of state or social power. These people own and operate, the United Federation of Mahisia.
In Politics:

Since politics and riches are the same thing, around 97% of the political cohort are rich and powerful aristocrats. However the positions shuffle frequently and wealth is often laundered, funneled, or embezzled. Members of the Oligarchy of the Eye are all millionaires at least, but they too change positions, lose money and are killed frequently.
In media:

The media being controlled and run by various political/corporate movements, it is very supportive of the nation's aristocrats, or at least the ones that the media company is bought to. Media itself generates very little and aristocracy does not directly materialize within the industry.
In education:

Since schools are controlled and run by various political/corporate movements, varying schools have different teachings but all in all education supports the aristocratic elite that rule over Mahisia.
In pictures:

Cinema is government sponsored and while movies are encouraged to become entertaining, a movie that for example portrayed a revolution against Mahisia....well the entire movie crew would have to fit onto the missing persons list.

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Tareya
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Postby Tareya » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:14 am

The old landed aristocracy is extinct; their lands were nationalised and then redistributed, and their titles ceased to be recognised. Our modern ruling class consists mostly of a wealthy investor class centered around our finance and technology industries, as well as the "landlord class", high-ranking politicians and diplomats, and wealthy immigrants.

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Vedastia
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Postby Vedastia » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:02 pm

In Numbers:
Among the ancient nobility, who are exclusively ethnic aboriginal Vedasters, there are 32 princely houses, 102 marquessal houses, 426 comital houses, 721 vicecomital houses, and 1,052 baronial houses throughout Vedastia. There are several dozen foreign title holders and families who reside in Vedastia, with their origins mostly from the British Isles and Spain. Both the Vedastian ancient and foreign nobility frequently intermarry. The new nobility, who started being created in 2016, are mainly of English/British ancestry, as are most Vedasters. There are only a handful of new nobility so far, which include the Marquess Vansittart, the previous Prime Minister, who was the son of a Vedastian baroness from the ancient nobility, and the Prince of Waterhouse, who was elevated to a princely title from a comital title in the ancient nobility as a result of one of his sons, who was previously the president, becoming the king of the newly established kingdom. In total, there are roughly 140,000 nobles out of a population of roughly 101 million. The rest of the upper class, which consists of commoners who derive their income from inherited wealth and rents, and also self-made multi-millionaires and billionaires, numbers roughly 2 million. The upper-middle class, which consists of commoner professionals and relatively wealthy business owners, consists of roughly 10 million people.
In Politics:
Nobility were majorly important in the various fiefdoms that preceded the Vedastian Confederation and the Confederation itself. Hoipton was founded by Karului VI, Count of Saint Vedast, who gave his name to Vedastia. The Confederation's founders were two important reigning princes, Paului IV of Dormland and Mikhaelui I of Saint Peter. The tukxu, which roughly translates to "doge" in this usage (as in "Doge of Venice," from the Latin "dux," "leader"), was the leader of the decentralized confederation and almost always came from the nobility, usually from among the reigning princes of the 32 constituent principalities which made up the Confederation. The Confederation was absorbed into the Sbemailzille Empire, which had its own nobility. The Sbemailzille nobility, and therefore the Vedastian nobility, was abolished in 1853. The nobility may have lost their legal privileges, but were still active in Vedastian society, and especially politics, right up to the official restoration of Vedastian nobility in 2016 under the establishment of a monarchy. They presently retain no exclusive legal privileges other than recognition of their titles and regulation of dynastic activity by the government. Nobility are frequently represented in politics, especially since the establishment of a monarchy and the subsequent restoration of titles. Current nobility in politics include His Majesty the King, who founded the National Movement and was a (non-substantive) count in the ancient nobility before he was chosen to be king by Parliament during his presidency, and Deputy Prime Minister Baron Lutuvikui "Lutu" vun Ivuibeßtein, who is the leader of Pur tei Vetaxtunerii (For the Vedasters Party). Aside from the nobility, most politicians easily fall under the upper class and upper-middle class labels, with a large amount of wealth being necessary to run a political campaign. Suffrage is also restricted to property owners who do not receive government benefits, so the electorate is disproportionately tilted toward these groups.
In media:
Most people in the media are not of noble birth, and only a handful of influential personalities in the media would be considered upper-class commoners, most of them falling squarely in the upper-middle class if they're successful.
In education:
A minority of the nobility elect to use private tutors to educate their children exclusively because of tradition, but most send their children to elite independent boarding schools, the most famous of them being Saint Vedast Preparatory School in Saint Vedast. Very few of them attend state schools. The nobility hold more post-secondary degrees than most of the population, as roughly 35% of the nobility hold at least an undergraduate degree while 16.5% of Vedastia as a whole does so, with universities such as National University being a popular destination. Much of the upper-class commoners send their children to these boarding schools and a handful hire private tutors to educate their children exclusively, but most of them choose to send their children either to independent day schools (mostly), state-funded academies, or state-run grammar (exam) schools, with very few of the upper-class commoners attending ordinary state schools. As with the nobility, the upper-class commoners have a high amount of post-secondary degree holders among them, with roughly 27% of upper-class commoners holding at least an undergraduate degree. A small portion of the upper-middle class sends their children to independent boarding schools and a third to independent day schools, but most attend grammar schools or academies. A small portion of the upper-middle class, but a larger one than all of the upper class, sends their children to ordinary state schools. Roughly 21% of the upper-middle class possesses at least an undergraduate degree.
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Benedict V, Prince of Saint Vedast (Benetiktui 5ul, Vwerxtu vun Xanktu Vetaxtui; Benetiktui Martinui Iuhannui Henrikui Eleuþeriui Karului Vetaxtui Petruvilu) on parade in Hoipton. He is the hereditary President of the College of Nobility, the organization that regulates the dynastic affairs of Vedastia's nobility. The College of Nobility was founded shortly after the Sbemailzille Empire abolished its nobility as an unofficial way for the nobility to regulate its internal affairs. The Prince of Saint Vedast at the time, Charles VIII (Karului 8ul), was chosen to head the organization, with each of his successors assuming the mantle of the presidency. Until the establishment of the monarchy and the restoration of the nobility, the Princes of Saint Vedast were regarded as the most senior nobility in the realm, their territory giving Vedastia its name. The College of Nobility is now an arm of the government.

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The Charles Palace, the Hoipton residence of the Princes of Saint Vedast, regarded as the grandest of the noble palaces in the capital.

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Saint Vedast Preparatory School, the most illustrious independent boarding school in Vedastia, with many of its alumni achieving prominent places in government and business.

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The Bonaventure Palace, the Hoipton residence of the Princes of Saint Bonaventure.

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Typical Hoipton townhouse of the upper classes.

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Typical Hoipton townhouses functioning as primary residences for the upper-middle class.
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Balansinghtho
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Postby Balansinghtho » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:24 pm

Most of the aristocracy left over from the previous regime of Balansingtho are in labor camps.

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