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Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:00 amby Pan-Asiatic States
/PSA to Everyone: Bring your Capitalist versus Communist arguments elsewhere. If you're a Socialist, and would like to challenge or learn more about our ideology, ask away. If you're a Capitalist, and would like to know our stand on Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, or any other variations of the three, ask away; and the same goes for challenging some concepts we believe in.
Those of you who have known me on NS for a very long time know that I am a very open person about my views. I respond upon first notice to any comments or arguments. I guess the best way to put it would be like this:
Before you challenge/ask, reflect if what you're asking seeks to learn more rather than to just agitate, trigger, or annoy. Let's not impose views on anyone in this thread. It's alright to rebut, but keep it chill.
If you really must make a block of text to rebut "dem evil Commies", at the very least have the decency to look up other Leftists' explanations before disturbing me. As I've sent, I recommend watching Xexizy's Socialist versus Capitalist workplace video before putting that bait down this thread.
Oh, and admins, please don't take this down. I'm begging you. First posts were decent, I really wanted to keep it that way. /
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:25 amby Zhouran
Pan-Asiatic States wrote:"Yeah, no. You speak so extravagantly, but miss the point entirely, so I'm cutting out the blatant bullshit that you could've picked up from basic Socialist literature, but either haven't or wouldn't. I want to simplify your argument just so you, and everyone else, could hear how stupid it actually is.
You're basically saying 'if robots do all the work, how will people earn money'?I'd just like to say that this just illustrates how uninformed you are on Marxism, maybe even on the entire Leftist political spectrum.
Nope, you just don't know economics. Nice try on rebutting my questions.The State doesn't pull money out of its ass. If a machine can do 7 hours worth of work, you'll only have to do 2 hours and get the same pay. If the machine can suddenly do the 9 hours, that's Communism.
How does one get the same pay for just two hours? You'd have to increase the pay per hour just so workers can get enough income for two hours. In fact, going with your nation's logic (or lack of), it'd be more economical to just outright replace humans workers with all robots so you don't have to pay any money to a worker who is working for 2 hours instead of 7 or 9 hours and instead used that money on the robots itself. But then that brings up the next question: How would these unemployed people in a nation who's economy is over-reliant on automation get paid? Where will they receive money? Basically in other words because your workers work for a really unrealistic short amount of time, they will not get enough income to pay taxes and goods, and the only way to offset that is by increasing the hourly pay, except that it would be uneconomical to just increase the pay per hour a lot because of the unrealistic short amount of hours per week to work. Which also means that your economy is better off 100% robotic while everyone else lives off in the street due to lack of income flowing to them to pay for basic goods and necessities. You can continue bullshitting all you want, but such as a high reliance on automation kills the human workers.I do not understand why you cannot comprehend a Pan-Asiatic Federation. We exist. If the Soviet Union could do it, why couldn't we?
The Soviet Union stagnated and collapsed. Period. If the Soviet Union was to successfully reform under Gorbachev, then they would simply transition to something akin to the Nordic Model, but rushing economic reforms and social liberalization weakened the grip of the Soviet's control on the nation, leading to their downfall. Also it's foolish to compare your country to another since the situation that happened in Russia and how the USSR was born is different from anywhere else.The Ad Hominem is strong with this one. Just keep on spurting out generic insults I've definitely not gotten before.
Nothing to rebutt, you haven't answered the other questions like why your nation holds such a yellow-centric view, how sad. You can't accept criticism, you can't accept challenge to your dogma, so you cower away and rather than argue back you tell people to go watch youtube videos from obviously biased individuals. Why should I watch a leftist's explanation on socialism rather watch a non-biased explanation, it's like saying watch a right-winger's explanation on capitalism? All I wanted was an explanation on a) why you call your nation a workers' paradise if workers are realistically being butted out by over-reliance of automation, b) why your nation holds such a disgustingly yellow-supremacist pan-asianist mindset, and c) why your nation calls itself conservative and nationalist despite being a federal state that essentially mixes the different identities of different ethnic and cultural groups. Again, you can answer my questions, or you can just simply ignore it and prove my point that the most dogmatic people are the ones who are intellectually dishonest and can't stand criticism. Don't be surprised if there's people in society who challenge and 'agitate' your notion and mindset.- Tanrong Fansunxi
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:37 amby Pan-Asiatic States
yOU juSt dOnt kNow eConOMICsssssssss yEllOW cUCk
Alright, you're just hurting yourself now. We're all just trying to enjoy IC here, so bring your edginess elsewhere. You still think work = money, despite me trying to explain LTV from multiple perspectives, not citing any equations nor authority, nor at the very least laws for how you think 'Socialist' capital should be re-distributed, still poking at East versus West cultural differences, and by golly-
> why your nation calls itself conservative and nationalist despite being a federal state that essentially mixes the different identities of different ethnic and cultural groups.
(*cough* *cough* Like America, the EU, the Soviet Union, hell- Nazi Germany, wasn't a mix of a bunch of 'cultural identities')
Ask anyone of my close NS friends. I take criticism. This? This is not criticism. Check out that "Telegram War" Palmyrion sent.
I really recommend you stop before you give me the chance to quote even stupider 'opinions' you have.
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:42 amby Pan-Asiatic States
To add insult to injury, I present this beauty to anyone with a sensible notion of what Socialism is:
"How would these unemployed people in a nation who's economy is over-reliant on automation get paid?"
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:07 amby Palmyrion
Aaand for my IC question, preska mula sa pwet ni Oble: TONIGHT WITH BOY ABUNDA!
"I may have to ask this very sensitive and controversial question: how would the Pan-Asiatic States' politicians and government officials respond to the question 'sex or chocolates?' directed at them?"
-Palmyrian talk show host
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:35 pmby Zhouran
Pan-Asiatic States wrote:
yOU juSt dOnt kNow eConOMICsssssssss yEllOW cUCk
Alright, you're just hurting yourself now. We're all just trying to enjoy IC here, so bring your edginess elsewhere. You still think work = money, despite me trying to explain LTV from multiple perspectives, not citing any equations nor authority, nor at the very least laws for how you think 'Socialist' capital should be re-distributed, still poking at East versus West cultural differences, and by golly-
> why your nation calls itself conservative and nationalist despite being a federal state that essentially mixes the different identities of different ethnic and cultural groups.
(*cough* *cough* Like America, the EU, the Soviet Union, hell- Nazi Germany, wasn't a mix of a bunch of 'cultural identities')
Ask anyone of my close NS friends. I take criticism. This? This is not criticism. Check out that "Telegram War" Palmyrion sent.
I really recommend you stop before you give me the chance to quote even stupider 'opinions' you have.
You just prove my point even further, no need to get uppity.
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Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:16 amby Pan-Asiatic States
no need to get uppity.
lol ironic
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Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:28 amby Pan-Asiatic States
Fardhin wrote:"I assure you that I am not involve in any war crimes. Anyhow, what the hell do you plan on doing to H1A? I will not let you communists weaponize the city."
-Don Gobernador Tria, referring to the captured Hex
To: RECIPIENT
CC: Pan-Asiatic Congress of Soviets
Bcc: The People's Cadre of Party Security
From
His Exellency, The Secretary-General, Garrick Abramovich Mensenares Jr.
Good tidings,
Ah, old timer. I forget your existence sometimes, and even more so your inaccessibility to the news cycle. H1A is under the authority of the Consortium, and we're all abiding to the terms and conditions of its international regulations. It will remain under collective juridstriction of the victors, and what remains of Fardhin's "Empire" has been given an equitable plot on it.
The Cadre's presence is on board, slightly larger than most others to ensure the survival of peace between the Member-States. They cannot act to invade or commit any atrocities which do not comply with the terms of self-defense or actual peacekeeping without Congressional approval.
And speaking of Democracy, had it not been for Congress' intervention, your kind would've been sent to some far-off dirt hole to die in the Sakuradite mines. Ironically, it seems that what you people hate the most has saved you this time.
Happy Exile,
Garrick Abramovich Mensenares Jr.
Chairman of the Asian Communist Party
Secretary-General of the Pan-Asiatic States
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Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:38 amby Destructive Government Economic System
You might be the most realistic-sounding Socialist nation I've seen on this site, mainly due to how detailed your factbooks and forum posts are (on average). Do you feel as if anything still needs to be properly explained to make your nation sound even more realistic than it already is?
Posted:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:29 amby Pan-Asiatic States
Destructive Government Economic System wrote:You might be the most realistic-sounding Socialist nation I've seen on this site, mainly due to how detailed your factbooks and forum posts are (on average). Do you feel as if anything still needs to be properly explained to make your nation sound even more realistic than it already is?
Thanks! "Most realistic-sounding Socialist nation" is probably the last thing I expected in making this NS, but I'll take the compliment.
Frankly, I'm not even close to being done with my Factbooks. I still haven't made a list of official Ministries, and their respective heads. I was also planning to make a Major Cities Factbook and/or Tourist's Guide. Plus, I'm anxious to COMPLETELY revise my History Factbook- as it stands pretty unrealistic right now.
The last one is going to take a lot of work, since I'm planning on writing timelines on three different Factbooks- one for the Philippine Civil War, where Filipino Commies win against Americans before the Chinese even get the CCP coherent (just to justify how Filipino-centric my alt. history is), another for the Third and Second Pacific Wars, and one for Modern History (1992-Today).
Lots of things are in need of explanation, and in my opinion, the PAS is still a hunk of undefined junk floating in space. Nevertheless, I'm taking steps towards solidifying all my ideas. I just finished my National nazi ideology Religion Factbook, for example.
Then again, that's what this thread is for in the first place. If there's something I haven't thought of, or something unclear in the Factbooks, this thread is here to supplement it.
Posted:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:29 amby Pan-Asiatic States
/bump
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:59 amby Eclius
"In a recent press conference hosted by Department of Foreign Affairs Eclius stated that, PAS should withdraw from Fardhin immediately or else more military actions will be taken by Eclius and his JP allies. How will the government of PAS respond to this? Furthermore, how will the government of PAS address the presence of a large humanitarian crisis in Fardhin as caused by the military forces from PAS"
-Eclisian Herald journalist
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:48 pmby Pan-Asiatic States
Eclius wrote:"In a recent press conference hosted by Department of Foreign Affairs Eclius stated that, PAS should withdraw from Fardhin immediately or else more military actions will be taken by Eclius and his JP allies. How will the government of PAS respond to this? Furthermore, how will the government of PAS address the presence of a large humanitarian crisis in Fardhin as caused by the military forces from PAS"
-Eclisian Herald journalist
"With justice, and overwhelming servitude for the majority! I have seen with my own eyes time and time again that the Jupiter Pact is nothing but imperialism rebranded for the new eras of warfare. The aristocrats will be put a trial- and that is not a humanitarian crisis. You have killed insurgent upon insurgent, waging war against those who seek liberation from your petty Empires. If the Pact attacks, you will only further prove to the world your raw thirst for blood; and no matter how much you spin it, your citizens will know the faces of warmongers."- Secretary-General Garrick Mensenares
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:58 pmby Palmyrion
Palmyrion wrote:Aaand for my IC question, preska mula sa pwet ni Oble: TONIGHT WITH BOY ABUNDA!"I may have to ask this very sensitive and controversial question: how would the Pan-Asiatic States' politicians and government officials respond to the question 'sex or chocolates?' directed at them?"-Palmyrian talk show host
Reposted
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:39 pmby Pan-Asiatic States
"Errr... Sex."
- Head of Government Fernando Lawrecio III
"Chocolates. Definitely."
- Head of State Sonya Yoon-Sook
"What's the difference? Both induce greed. But I don't think chocolates hurt anyone directly."
- Secretary-General Garrick Abramovich Mensenares Jr.
"Sex is comfy."
- Amb. Zhan Yahui-Molotov Sr.
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:59 pmby Eclius
"How does the government of PAS respond to the accusations made by Eclisian Senate in which states that Pan-Asiatic State troopers mass slaughtered civilians in Fardhins? Some critics from Eclius as well as JP nations even went far enough to describe it as 'an indiscriminative, planned and systemic act of genocide against Fardhinos'? Furthermore, will the government of PAS apologize for the crimes committed in Fardhin? How will the government of PAS assist in post-war development of Fardhin?"
-Eclisian Herald
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Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:52 amby Pan-Asiatic States
National Anthem finally updated for all you complainers that a Filipino anthem wouldn't match a Pan-Asiatic nation.
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Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:42 amby Pan-Asiatic States
Thread Homepage revamped. Also, /bump.
Posted:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:26 amby Pan-Asiatic States
/bump
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Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:38 pmby Khataiy
"We would like to know your nation's views on our nations"
- Foreign ministry
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Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:53 pmby Fardhin
"Appears you've forgotten something important, Ginoo. How do you respond to the Fardhine Spire Fleet's existence?"
-Kapitan Espiro
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Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:20 pmby Pan-Asiatic States
Khataiy wrote:"We would like to know your nation's views on our nations"
- Foreign ministry
"We aren't very different. We house a sizable Muslim population in our biggest Republic, the TSSR. Both of our ideals are born out of compassion for the fellow man. You have a strong nation, born from a strong culture, and we hope to strengthen the bonds between us only further."- Secretary-General Mensenares
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Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:33 pmby Troisieme empire francais
What is your idea on more civilised nations helping civilise less developed peoples?
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:18 amby Pan-Asiatic States
Troisieme empire francais wrote:What is your idea on more civilised nations helping civilise less developed peoples?
"I don't see a problem with it. But tradition is something which we must preserve. Natives should be given the choice to opt out of progress, and be given land where they can carry out their life in peace."- Secretary-General Mensenares
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Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:42 pmby -United Republic of Freedonia
"Your leader has any taste of music that isn't military marchs or propaganda songs?" -A random guy named Carl
"Why the people has such boring lives: no parties, everything trying to be the same and everyone trying behaving the same way, i don't get it, do you have any entertainment during the night?"- Mark, a rich guy that is son of a rich man, he's kinda neckbeard.
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(☭ ͜ʖ ☭) OOC: you need to make this dude into character and make him write a book
Also i checked in your international dispatch that you're at war with NPC Israel, how that happend and how is going?.
