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Ivelboria
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Founded: Dec 13, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ivelboria » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:37 am

"What's it like to live in the Pan-Asiatic States? What's the culture like there? I would love to visit the country!"
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Ivelboria was founded on the 13th of December 2015. (OOCly). Our current year is 2019, and no, we don't use NS Stats! I was the DEUN Co-Founder on the 6th of August 2016, but left on the 15th of January 2017, and as of the 20th of January 2018, I've become a candidate of the DEUN, ascending to be a member on the 8th of April! After it died, the CFN was founded, of which I left mid-Summer 2018 to prioritise on the Universal Pact.

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Pan-Asiatic States
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Founded: Nov 14, 2017
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Pan-Asiatic States » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:12 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:What do you think of the angel alliance and/or Jupiter pact?


"Well, let us see. Angel's Alliance never truly defined what "Freedom" was, and their anti-imperialist agenda was ironic since they would subjugate the countries they'd just liberated- much like America in the 1800s. Jupiter Pact is an aristocratic circlejerk, and if the Russian Revolution tells us anything about Monarchies, it is their inefficiency to properly distribute goods without the "hOLy mOnARChs" calling dibs on State-Capital and overtaxing the proletarian. I'd say both of them can rot when Capitalism falls down like the Jenga tower that it is."

- Zhan Yahui-Molotov Sr.
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A PMT 10.5 civilization. This nation is based on my political fantasies for Asia. It is what it is.
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  • The black in the PAS flag represents mysticism, tradition, and the occult of the Orient.


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Khataiy
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Founded: Apr 22, 2018
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Khataiy » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:08 am

Pan-Asiatic States wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:What do you think of the angel alliance and/or Jupiter pact?


"Well, let us see. Angel's Alliance never truly defined what "Freedom" was, and their anti-imperialist agenda was ironic since they would subjugate the countries they'd just liberated- much like America in the 1800s. Jupiter Pact is an aristocratic circlejerk, and if the Russian Revolution tells us anything about Monarchies, it is their inefficiency to properly distribute goods without the "hOLy mOnARChs" calling dibs on State-Capital and overtaxing the proletarian. I'd say both of them can rot when Capitalism falls down like the Jenga tower that it is."

- Zhan Yahui-Molotov Sr.

What is the Pan-Asiatic States' official stance regarding the Arab State of Khataiy's civil war
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Palmyrion
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Founded: Mar 04, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Palmyrion » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:03 pm

Alright, so much for the OOC stuff from a recent telegram war intense and intellectually invoking telegram exchange. Get ready for an eye-burning wall of green text. Also, as for me being an open person, I am selectively secretive; I keep secret some stuff about me while I am fairly open about other stuff about me, and when I do tell stuff about me I tell it only to a select few. What you see in my "Palmyrion IRL" factbook is merely the stuff I am fairly comfortable sharing about.

I think people develop love, and outgrow the shell of infatuation or lack thereof by spending time together. For a very long time.

After my most recent heartbreak, I came to many realizations and lessons about who am I, and how I need to be loved, but most of all, I learned that while our instincts tell us who to fall in love with, the onus is on us to do the math and choose who we stay in love with, hence why love for me is more a commitment than a feeling (add to it me being a gray-demisexual gray-romantic). We must have the right to go out of that commitment for valid reasons - which your state prevents, making it a breach of human rights. Forcing people into a relationship with each other - which your state does - is also a breach of their human right to freely choose their S.O.

You also have to understand that the P.A.S, though chronologically takes place in 2018 (except for Regional RPs, which are set in 2160), is as sci-fi as sci-fi gets thanks to some magic fictional elements. (Aetherium, Sakuradite, and Edunite; factbook TBA) Matches are as perfect as perfect gets.

Please explain to me as to what extent FanT (I guess you know what FanT means by now) affects your nation. How does it affect state-sponsored romantic matchups? How does it affect your economy? How does it affect your culture? How does it affect your technology as a whole? Also, I tend to keep myself grounded on realism in RPing, so in my RPing, I call bullshit, albeit minimal, on FanT.

Economically, it's a very simple theory. It's basically the One-Child policy taken to its extremes. There is a set quota of children, and the breadwinner must work harder to earn a second child. Having more children is a commodity. As in Socialism, one must earn commodities. Plus, it ensures people don't just procreate some more to get more welfare- since people under Socialism are immediately entitled to food, income, and a house.

While I do understand the rationale behind the One-Child Policy (a means to reduce population), it looks like sub-replacement fertility to me. The global replacement fertility rate right now stands at 2.33 - two children to replace the parents, and a "third of a child" to make up for a disparity in the human sex ratio. I do agree that the breadwinner - ideally both parents, henceforth breadwinners - must work harder for a second child. I do agree that procreating some more just to get welfare is a rather sneaky way to cheat. Food, water, shelter, and clothing are basic human needs and we are all entitled to them due to our right to have our basic needs fulfilled. We also have the right to have our wants fulfilled in whatever morally acceptable way available to us, and perhaps it is why IC PAS has...income.

Socialism turned China from a regional orgy of warring states to a unitary superpower. Not just better than the Capitalistic modes of production, but faster too. It took the West from apprx. 1700s (Source: Marx - Communist Manifesto, published 1888 "..scarce 100 years") to the 1930s to ever so truly industrialize. It took the Soviet Union thirty from the same social conditions.

The unitary superpower part was when Deng Xiaoping came to power. He combined socialist ideology with a pragmatic market economy. The reason it took the west that long to industrialize - from 1770s to, say, 1930 - was that some western countries, like France, didn't have substantial deposits of coal and iron, and some countries, like Germany, were intertwined in political brouhaha, to say nothing of how long it took for the scientific know-how to be discovered. invented, developed, AND disseminated (boldened for emphasis).

Someone must suffer for it, so others do not follow. If I myself were apprehended, then I must've not done my job correctly in educating the working-class.

Then it turns out you were actually innocent the crimes you were accused of. As for economy, forced collectivization, forced grain procurement, rapid industrialization, a decreasing agricultural workforce (due to mass exodus of peasants from the countryside), and bad droughts caused the Soviet famine of 1932-33.

Such slander. What is the State? The State is the people. If the State owns it, then the people do. The difference between the State and the bourgeoisie is that the State's members can be replaced either by democratic reform, or violent removal from power. The latter in other words, a Cultural Revolution. Red Guards protect the State from absolutism. Districts can simply stop working if they were against a federal reform. But the State would cut their welfare provisions. If the Federal armed forces intervene, the press remains free to publish such a crisis to the international community. If the press has already been taken by the dictatorial government in power, the Red Guards protect the people. Communist Minutemen, basically. If all else fails, well, the system tried, didn't it?

Reality is, the state is merely a group of representatives that the people elected to represent - or come close to agreeing with - their will. If the state owns it, this small group of representatives owns it. You can also replace the bourgeoisie's members from power via democratic reform. China's cultural reform resulted into massive violations of human rights and resulted into the deaths of millions - deaths that were unnecessary but unfortunately happened. Under a capitalist economy, I can stop working if I was against my employer's policies - I do a workers' strike. My paycheck gets a bad cut, yeah. I simply resign and look for another more lucrative employer (though personally there is an acceptable balance of lucrativeness and security in one's career). But under a socialist economy, I can't resign from the company; I'm stuck in this monolithic company whose status is going south as working districts stop working one after the another, and the Federal Armed Forces intervene with blind force. Also, the Red Guards soon turn against us as the state has apparently turned the Red Guards as their puppets. Result: catastrophic failure resulting into the unfortunate deaths of millions (and probably several hundred millions and even the few billions, considering how large NS earth is) that were not necessary at all.

A word about surplus value: the reality is, there will always be a dichotomy between profit and loss. Even non-profit organizations - organizations that do not seek profit to do their usually charitable work - acknowledge this. Sure, they do sell some merchandise as part of their fund raising and do earn more than they spend overall, but their goal isn't profit, it's simply to gain enough money to sustain their operations. When it comes to production, there will either be a surplus or deficit, and trade usually happens because of deficits and surplus in the amount of goods - money, or more accurately currency, was simply invented as a standardized means of economic exchange of goods. Even in a socialist economy, surplus value will still exist, because there is always a possibility that there will be a surplus (or deficit) of goods from production, because no matter how accurate predictions of supply and demand can go, we'd always be falling short of the bull's eye. In ALL economies (as economies are simply systems that assist humanity in efficiently allocating resources to fulfill its needs and wants as sufficiently as possible), there will always be surplus value due to a surplus (or deficit) of goods from production, because, as I stated previously, no matter how accurate predictions of supply and demand can go, we'd always be falling short of the bull's eye. Also, what can be easily produced in one location may not be as easily produced in another, and hence trade; why toil hard to produce something that is nearly impossible to produce locally (I know, it's a hyperbole) when you can skip the toiling and buy? We're talking about what to do with this ever-pervasive surplus value.

Also, about cooperatives: cooperatives are typically more economically resilient than other types of enterprise, with twice the number of cooperatives surviving their first five years of existence compared with other models of enterprise. If you are really mad about surplus-value to the point of total warfare (CBRN included), then here's something: as a cooperative is a jointly-owned and democratically-controlled enterprise by its members, then the members can democratically vote on what they would do with the surplus value that their cooperative just generated from its operations.

Alright, I rest my case, will be back to you once my college application is done.

Also, IC question to follow below. *que MTRCB Rated SPG jingle*


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Asha-Wang
Political Columnist
 
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Founded: Jun 24, 2018
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Asha-Wang » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:24 pm

"Comrades, you seem a fine people.
Would you consider some sort of treaty between us- we share a common enemy in this villainous Angel's Alliance and the equally deplorable Jupiter Pact."
-People's Grand Chief Jiao Lin

"What is your military's core doctrine?"
-Sergeant First Class Joakim Sokolov
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An authoritarian, isolationist PMT/dieselpunk island and its surrounding area in the North Pacific, and populated by a mixture of Europeans (namely Anglo-Saxon and Slavic), East Asians and Polynesians, and Brazilians who were descendants from slaves. Originally colonized by the British and Russian Empires, it became an iron-clawed power after a communist uprising. The original home of the Exodian people, who started as a failed revolt that fled to the Americas.

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Irou
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Founded: Jan 28, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Irou » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:27 pm

What is Pan-Asiatic States' opinion on guild socialist and Syndicalist economics?
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Cherubim Battalion
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Founded: Feb 22, 2018
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Cherubim Battalion » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:31 pm

"The Philippines used to be a shining example of God's grace in Asia. What on Earth happened?"

-Major Joseph I. Haas (North American Sector)
NationStats nor policies are not used, no matter how hard tries to improve them can be.

A secret society of devout Christians, Muslims and Jews, armed with a combination of pre- and post-WWII weapons and dieselpunk technology, with the goal of purging witches, vampires and supernatural monsters. And yes, they’re also the good guys and proud of it.

#justdealwithit

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Pan-Asiatic States
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Founded: Nov 14, 2017
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Pan-Asiatic States » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:36 pm

Yo, Palmyrion. Sorry for the inactivity to your questions. I'll come back to you later (in a few hours or so, or tomorrow).
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A PMT 10.5 civilization. This nation is based on my political fantasies for Asia. It is what it is.
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  • "[If you believe the Americans], you are like virgins who believe in the love of a whore!" - Gen. Antonio Luna
  • The black in the PAS flag represents mysticism, tradition, and the occult of the Orient.


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Bruke
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Founded: Nov 21, 2017
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Bruke » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:39 pm

Dear sir, there has been no answer to my previous questions. Nevertheless I will ask another: what inspired you to create your nation, besides Eurasia (if this hasn't already been asked)?

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Pan-Asiatic States
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Postby Pan-Asiatic States » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:52 pm

Bruke wrote:Dear sir, there has been no answer to my previous questions. Nevertheless I will ask another: what inspired you to create your nation, besides Eurasia (if this hasn't already been asked)?


My political views, of course! I'd like to consider myself a pretty well-traveled and cultured person. I think that from Tokyo to Hanoi, there aren't many cultural differences. Only political ones. I suppose it's my own unique blend of Japanese Anti-Anglo policies, NoKor Anti-Imperialism, a pinch of Strasserism, but preserving Chinese populism. National Socialism, without the weirdo occultism, and actually Socialist; minus the genocide, replaced with democide. Frankly, it's its own ideology.

The thing with us Communists is that we learn from our mistakes. P.A.S is the "no more mister nice guy" of the Internationale.

/PSA TO EVERYONE ELSE: JUST BECAUSE I'M SKIPPING YOUR QUESTIONS, DOESN'T MEAN I WON'T ANSWER THEM/
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A PMT 10.5 civilization. This nation is based on my political fantasies for Asia. It is what it is.
  • America Diss Track
  • "[If you believe the Americans], you are like virgins who believe in the love of a whore!" - Gen. Antonio Luna
  • The black in the PAS flag represents mysticism, tradition, and the occult of the Orient.


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Freilibre
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Founded: Mar 25, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Freilibre » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:08 pm

Sorry for the bombardment of questions, I hope you get a chance to answer other people's questions too, but just in case you can't answer mine, thanks for the opportunity anyways.
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    To: Pan-Asiatic States
    Subject: Discussion & Inquiry


    Good day. Thank you for providing this opportunity to let the international community understand and be more knowledgeable about your wonderful culture. There has been lots of backlash against the Freilibre government for its mutual embassy exchange and coexistence agreement with the Pan-Asiatic States, however, about an equal amount support this. Because Freilibre is essentially a multicultural nation, many different cultures live in close and often entangle in day-to-day activities, and as such, it is very much encouraged to share traditions, knowledge, and opinions with fellow citizens. The Commonwealth and Her Majesty believes it is essential to be accepting towards all people, regardless of sex, gender, or ethnicity. However, we would like to know: What are your personal thoughts of having relations with the Commonwealth of Freilibre, and how does it impact you? What are your thoughts on the Commonwealth itself?


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The Radical Centrist League (The majority & current ruling party), is very moved by the Pan-Asiatic State's resiliency to Western ideas, and most importantly-- American influence. So much so, we introduced the idea to establish relations between the Pan-Asiatic States in the first place. How did the Pan-Asiatic States resist American culture, and how well is it faring for you currently?

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Pan-Asiatic States
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Pan-Asiatic States » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:26 am

Bruke wrote:"In your view, have Brukian-Pan-Asiatic relations improved enough so that your country no longer views our own as a hostile adversary because of our involvement in Diyaristan?"

Dejen Asnake, Envoy At-Large for International Security

"As a follow-up, do you see any chance of our two countries normalizing relations?"

Foreign Minister Beryihun Gezaee


"The Diyaristani Problem was a regrettable incident. As our country moves to self-sufficiency, we assure you that such things shall not happen in the near future. We remain vigilant, however, of those whose political authority oppress their own people for the sake of megalomania and corruption. If such leeches are deemed threatening to the security of the Asian people, or the proletarian of that country, then rest assured we will intervened."
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A PMT 10.5 civilization. This nation is based on my political fantasies for Asia. It is what it is.
  • America Diss Track
  • "[If you believe the Americans], you are like virgins who believe in the love of a whore!" - Gen. Antonio Luna
  • The black in the PAS flag represents mysticism, tradition, and the occult of the Orient.


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Pan-Asiatic States
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Postby Pan-Asiatic States » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:34 am

Asha-Wang wrote:"Comrades, you seem a fine people.
Would you consider some sort of treaty between us- we share a common enemy in this villainous Angel's Alliance and the equally deplorable Jupiter Pact."
-People's Grand Chief Jiao Lin


"Perhaps. Never be afraid to drop us a communique every now and then for help. We cannot track all violence against Communists in this vast world, but we're always ready to help when push comes to shove."

Asha-Wang wrote:"What is your military's core doctrine?"
-Sergeant First Class Joakim Sokolov


"Guerilla Warfare. That is no doubt. Agitate, Educate, Celebrate- and repeat. Our military specializes in Jungle Fighting, outmatched only by our resourcefulness. What marks the PASAF unique is our greater officer freedom. Datus, basically division commanders, and their respective armies, are usually launched deep into enemy territory; where they disrupt lines of supply, and general enemy troop movement until the bulk frontier army can liberate them. Enough enclaves will either force an enemy surrender by dealing massive damage, or create a second front behind enemy lines."
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First Consul of The Srivijayan Consortium
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A PMT 10.5 civilization. This nation is based on my political fantasies for Asia. It is what it is.
  • America Diss Track
  • "[If you believe the Americans], you are like virgins who believe in the love of a whore!" - Gen. Antonio Luna
  • The black in the PAS flag represents mysticism, tradition, and the occult of the Orient.


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Pan-Asiatic States
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Pan-Asiatic States » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:41 am

Irou wrote:What is Pan-Asiatic States' opinion on guild socialist and Syndicalist economics?



"Anarcho-Syndicalism is already practiced to an extent, under the banner of the States. The ancient form of governance, the Barangay system, was retained but under the juridstriction
of the Statial government. Cadres regulate the revenue of respective factories, and workers earn labor vouchers according to their contribution to the overall combined labor rather than a punitive equal benefit. This is not to say that workers do not receive the same free amenities required to live (as in the USSR), by the State. This accumulation too, however, is why Free, Private Markets must be shunned by our society. The Barangays are closely knit communities too. Perhaps we can abolish the States when Communism takes its rightful throne. But for now, Anarcho-Syndicalism seems like a dream far away."
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 THE FEDERATED PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC of PAN-ASIATIC STATES 
First Consul of The Srivijayan Consortium
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A PMT 10.5 civilization. This nation is based on my political fantasies for Asia. It is what it is.
  • America Diss Track
  • "[If you believe the Americans], you are like virgins who believe in the love of a whore!" - Gen. Antonio Luna
  • The black in the PAS flag represents mysticism, tradition, and the occult of the Orient.


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Pan-Asiatic States
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Pan-Asiatic States » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:48 am

Cherubim Battalion wrote:"The Philippines used to be a shining example of God's grace in Asia. What on Earth happened?"

-Major Joseph I. Haas (North American Sector)


"The Philippines used to be a circlejerk of Colonialism. What I'd give to send you to one of those Spanish Polo y Serbisyo camps, and see if your god saves you from virtual slavery...

I'm kidding, of course. There is a firm Christian Socialist following in Greater Pan-Asiatic Philippines. Nationalist Tagalog sentiments are also at an all time high. I, too, like to think of Christ as a representative of the proletarian. He just wasn't firm enough. But, I respect him as a revolutionary. And I'll even quote your holy book,

    Blessed is the man who fears the Lord, who greatly delights in his commandments!...He has distributed freely, he has given to the poor; his righteousness endures forever; his horn is exalted in honour

— (Ps. 112 (111): 1, 9) "
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Postby Fardhin » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:01 am

"What in God's name do you plan to do to my fleet?"
-Kataas-taasang Almirante Juan Patricio Velez, in prison referring to the sunken Florentine Fleet off the coast of Pan-Asiatic China
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Postby Pan-Asiatic States » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:18 am

Fardhin wrote:"What in God's name do you plan to do to my fleet?"
-Kataas-taasang Almirante Juan Patricio Velez, in prison referring to the sunken Florentine Fleet off the coast of Pan-Asiatic China


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    To: Kataas-taasang Almirante Juan Patricio Velez

    CC: Pan-Asiatic Congress of Soviets
    Bcc: The People's Cadre of Party Security

    From
    The Sixth Administration of the Pan-Asiatic States


    Good tidings,

      First of all, we hope you are faring well in the estate we've exiled you, off the coast of Batanes. You fought with honor, and with pride, and have gained the respect of our Naval generals. We incline you to bide your time amongst the natives, and lead a much less extravagant life, away from the politics of the old world.

      The fate of the Fardhine fleet is classified, to be frank. What I can tell you, is that the Florentine Fleet will be fighting much more righteous conquests than you've purposed them to do. It is no secret that the Experimental Weapons Division have been studying the technology with the utmost care. Truly, your people must have prospered to be able to maintain these advanced pieces of technology whilst buying enough bread and butter to feed your citizens.

      Unless of course, the latter was never fulfilled in the first place.

      You will never see your fleet as it was, ever again. That I can assure you.

    Live Long,

    Garrick Abramovich Mensenares Jr.
    Chairman of the Asian Communist Party
    Secretary-General of the Pan-Asiatic States


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Postby Pan-Asiatic States » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:43 am

Freilibre wrote:Sorry for the bombardment of questions, I hope you get a chance to answer other people's questions too, but just in case you can't answer mine, thanks for the opportunity anyways.
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    To: Pan-Asiatic States
    Subject: Discussion & Inquiry


    Good day. Thank you for providing this opportunity to let the international community understand and be more knowledgeable about your wonderful culture. There has been lots of backlash against the Freilibre government for its mutual embassy exchange and coexistence agreement with the Pan-Asiatic States, however, about an equal amount support this. Because Freilibre is essentially a multicultural nation, many different cultures live in close and often entangle in day-to-day activities, and as such, it is very much encouraged to share traditions, knowledge, and opinions with fellow citizens. The Commonwealth and Her Majesty believes it is essential to be accepting towards all people, regardless of sex, gender, or ethnicity. However, we would like to know: What are your personal thoughts of having relations with the Commonwealth of Freilibre, and how does it impact you? What are your thoughts on the Commonwealth itself?


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The Radical Centrist League (The majority & current ruling party), is very moved by the Pan-Asiatic State's resiliency to Western ideas, and most importantly-- American influence. So much so, we introduced the idea to establish relations between the Pan-Asiatic States in the first place. How did the Pan-Asiatic States resist American culture, and how well is it faring for you currently?



"We are not Nazis, and we aren't going to "cleanse the world of undesirable races" anytime soon if that's what the Freilibrean government, and/or people, have on their mind. Respect our borders, our ideology, our culture, and our people- that is our only demand. If you do this, we too shall respect you. As long as your people remain free, and your workers are given their daily bread without having to submit to conditional slavery, we see no evil in pursuing peace with your country. The Commonwealth is free in its own right.

I still hold my views that Petty Bourgeois Socialism shall collapse upon its own corrupt degeneracy. Therefore, should the time come, that your people feel a strong grudge against the preconditions of its Capitalist government, the States will not hesitate to father a Revolution.

But I don't see that happening anytime soon. Keep it up. Just serve the people. That is all we demand, no less, no more."





"How did we resist? By force, tovarisch! Through bitter, thick and thin, justice. Neo-Maoism demands Cultural Revolution. And that's what we did. We promised one, we did one. Fascist America's days are numbered!

The heart of the revolution stays true amongst our people, shining in glory for all proletarians to see. We have destroyed the invaders, and restored the pride of our ancestors. Walking down the streets of Neo-Manila, one can spot Baro't Sayas and Barongs, Fine-Woven Silk Dresses, and floral Kimonos on the able-bodied youth our nation has birthed from our holy machines.

Gaze upon our glorious culture. Every man holds his head high, every boy knows his role. Schoolchildren, workers, and politicians work in harmony as one united people, blind to class and urban-provincial boundaries. The humble farmer is held in the same regard as the Architect or the Congressman.

How is it fairing? Comrades, you need only look at the fruits of our labor. You need only look upon the golden fields which rest easy, knowing the plough will bring bounty to the most decent, hardworking man; and not to kings, governor-generals, bosses, or megalomaniacs."
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Postby Pan-Asiatic States » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:23 am

Ivelboria wrote:"What's it like to live in the Pan-Asiatic States? What's the culture like there? I would love to visit the country!"
- A citizen of the Ivelborian Republic



"Despite what those Bourgeois-infested news companies will tell you, we're actually a pretty fine place to take vacations. Many Europeans have been doing it since the late 90s. We get a lot of revenue for it, too. Day-to-day life is very casual. Working hours are, on an average, about 7 hours each weekday; thanks to automation. You aren't even forced to, as the State will still provide you with your share of Welfare vouchers. But if you want a car, an Xbox, or other non-essential luxuries, you'll have to work for it. Working itself isn't very hard either. Our goal is to abolish menial labor by 2020, automated by AI. No more temp jobs, sweatshops or barristas, &c.

The Federal Government has been cracking down on preserving our natural resources too. But, unfortunately, many relics were lost in the Pacific Wars. Parks are common, and have become Third Workspaces for office workers. Pan-Asiatic Cities are a blend of being one with nature and industrial efficiency. Think pre-war Singapore. Yeah, that's our vision for the future, and we are constantly working towards it.

Should you decide to visit us, be sure not to miss out on all the museums we've got in each city. Old Maynila still holds many of the classic pre-war colonial forts like Fort Santiago and Intramuros. If history isn't your thing, Post-Modern art galleries are also pretty popular, especially in Japan and in Burma. Shop at traditional 'palengke' markets if you're a foodie; trust me, they've got much fresher goods than bourgeois malls. I like to think we've got something for everyone. It's one of the perks of being pan-cultural."
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Postby Zhouran » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:25 am

Why does it seem that your nation holds such a strong arrogant hubris on the 'superiority' of yellow-oriental civilization and ignore other civilizations as if they are not enlightened? Why does your nation view China's Tang Dynasty as some sort of 'zenith' of Asian civilization even though Asia is more than just yellow? Why does your nation preach about culture and traditions even though your nation is nothing more than an artificial state that ignores cultural and ethnic lines and instead amalgamate yellow and brown orientals into one faux yellow-centric identity? Why does your nation's ideology use concepts from Chinese and Filipino cultures without realizing the social differences found in different cultural and ethnic groups?

If your nation's heavily-centralized, inflexible, bureaucratic marxist economy is 'doing better' than those capitalist countries, then explain how a supposed 'workers' paradise' utilizes automatons heavily in the production line without the repercussion of millions of workers losing their job due to robots doing all the menial job? Explain how your workers have such really-short weekly working hours because of robots and how these workers haven't yet lost their jobs to automation? How do people in the Pan-Asiatic even get jobs and welfare, do they just simply rock up to work and then go home while the government grabs money from magic dust and throw it at citizens?

Your communist party can boast about being 'better' than capitalist states, and I don't care about those capitalists, but to say that your nation represents the interests of all Asians and is obligated to lead the continent under your yellow-centric policies is just blatant yellow-supremacist imperialism masked behind the facade of a 'marxist-leninist pan-asianism'. To boast the superiority of your economy without realizing various repercussions such as the heavy-reliance on automation as well as lack of flexibility due to centralization and bureaucracy is simply hubristic and self-harming.

- Tanrong Fansunxi, political hardliner and Deputy Director of the Working-People's Armed Patriotic Union of Enlightened Progress for the Sacred Defense of National Identity

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Postby Pan-Asiatic States » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:30 am

Zhouran wrote:
Why does it seem that your nation holds such a strong arrogant hubris on the 'superiority' of yellow-oriental civilization and ignore other civilizations as if they are not enlightened? Why does your nation view China's Tang Dynasty as some sort of 'zenith' of Asian civilization even though Asia is more than just yellow? Why does your nation preach about culture and traditions even though your nation is nothing more than an artificial state that ignores cultural and ethnic lines and instead amalgamate yellow and brown orientals into one faux yellow-centric identity? Why does your nation's ideology use concepts from Chinese and Filipino cultures without realizing the social differences found in different cultural and ethnic groups?

If your nation's heavily-centralized, inflexible, bureaucratic marxist economy is 'doing better' than those capitalist countries, then explain how a supposed 'workers' paradise' utilizes automatons heavily in the production line without the repercussion of millions of workers losing their job due to robots doing all the menial job? Explain how your workers have such really-short weekly working hours because of robots and how these workers haven't yet lost their jobs to automation? How do people in the Pan-Asiatic even get jobs and welfare, do they just simply rock up to work and then go home while the government grabs money from magic dust and throw it at citizens?

Your communist party can boast about being 'better' than capitalist states, and I don't care about those capitalists, but to say that your nation represents the interests of all Asians and is obligated to lead the continent under your yellow-centric policies is just blatant yellow-supremacist imperialism masked behind the facade of a 'marxist-leninist pan-asianism'. To boast the superiority of your economy without realizing various repercussions such as the heavy-reliance on automation as well as lack of flexibility due to centralization and bureaucracy is simply hubristic and self-harming.

- Tanrong Fansunxi, political hardliner and Deputy Director of the Working-People's Armed Patriotic Union of Enlightened Progress for the Sacred Defense of National Identity


"I cannot even begin to explain the sheer amount of contradictions in your argument. You do not even seem to understand the basis of Socialist economics. If you can even call this criticism against Socialism, then by Lenin, I'll shoot myself right here.

Nevertheless, let me enlighten you about the basics of our system. First of all, what repercussions are you referring to? The repercussions of having all the basic necessities to survive without having a work-or-starve approach as in your inferior Capitalist system? Yes! Workers are losing their jobs to automation, and we in our Pederasyong Anakpawis rejoice for this!

If a man loses his job to robots under the Free Market, it means his death. Under Socialism, robots and automation serve to reduce labor for the same, maybe even more output, and less labor time spent for it. You have been deluded so much by Capitalism, that to you, automation has become synonymous with starvation. The surplus value of the labor is liquidized by the state, and used to pool welfare for all. You already do this, through taxes- but since the Upper-Class are 'entrepreneurs' and 'pioneers' the people do not hesitate to overlook lobbying, and thus they accumulate political power. Socialism abolishes the Private Industry to power Free Education, Healthcare, &c.

There has never been a Soviet Republic in history, from the British Commune, to Cuba, to the Soviet Union, from the Second to the Third Pacific Wars, wherein this system was directly abused by people just 'not working', so we'd already established the viability of our system when we formed this Federation in 1992.

Moochers are also heavily looked down upon by society, to be frank. You'd might as well work. The bourgeois stereotypes of Asian, strict parents wishing for you to become greater people with greater jobs are taken to their extremes. The difference being, if you fail, that's fine. You wouldn't starve to death, and you've got chances to retry. If worst comes to worst, Bureaus and Cadres will force you to work. Regrettably authoritarian, but you were given time.

And to rebut your first argument, Mister Fansunxi, Socialism SEEKS TO ABOLISH THESE SOCIAL DIFFERENCES. But you've got to start somewhere. Now, I believe I've already answered why this is how it is in previous responses. Nonetheless, it's very simple. We see the future by looking to the past. The masses require something to aspire for, and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less."
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Postby Zhouran » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:10 am

Pan-Asiatic States wrote:I cannot even begin to explain the sheer amount of contradictions in your argument. You do not even seem to understand the basis of Socialist economics. If you can even call this criticism against Socialism, then by Lenin, I'll shoot myself right here.

Nevertheless, let me enlighten you about the basics of our system. First of all, what repercussions are you referring to? The repercussions of having all the basic necessities to survive without having a work-or-starve approach as in your inferior Capitalist system? Yes! Workers are losing their jobs to automation, and we in our Pederasyong Anakpawis rejoice for this!

The only contradiction is your flawed unrealistic sci-fi based brand of socialism. Can't call yourself a socialist if you're okay with workers losing their jobs to automation. By the way, if you can't handle criticism, then you can't handle simple reality. Explain to me how these basic necessities are even paid if people are losing jobs to automatons, therefore can't have access to some form of income? And by the way, decentralized socialism as well as corporatist welfare-based capitalism actually works as history and reality shows. Yugoslavia did pretty well as a socialist nation, those Nordic nations sure have it better than the free-market land of the USA. Us Zhouranese have surely benefited from our own economic system.

Pan-Asiatic States wrote:If a man loses his job to robots under the Free Market, it means his death. Under Socialism, robots and automation serve to reduce labor for the same, maybe even more output, and less labor time spent for it. You have been deluded so much by Capitalism, that to you, automation has become synonymous with starvation. The surplus value of the labor is liquidized by the state, and used to pool welfare for all. You already do this, through taxes- but since the Upper-Class are 'entrepreneurs' and 'pioneers' the people do not hesitate to overlook lobbying, and thus they accumulate political power. Socialism abolishes the Private Industry to power Free Education, Healthcare, &c.

Robots and automation are meant to assist workers in decrease production time and increase production of goods, not outright kick humans out of the workforce. Kicking humans out of the workforce for increased automation rather than using automation to assist human workers sounds more like cheap capitalism than actual socialism. Explain how will people find jobs after losing their old jobs to robots? Explain how with so much reliance on automation in the economy, which would render human workers obsolete, would help citizens in receiving income to pay for basic taxes and goods (except of course your government simply pulls magic fairy dust out of the rear of a unicorn)? Also, you just mentioned an upper-class in your nation even though you boast about being a 'classless society'. That's a contradiction. And plus, how can people be entrepreneurs if the party controls a highly-centralized economy that would actually forbid such economic freedom, except of course your government ain't communist at all.

There has never been a Soviet Republic in history, from the British Commune, to Cuba, to the Soviet Union, from the Second to the Third Pacific Wars, wherein this system was directly abused by people just 'not working', so we'd already established the viability of our system when we formed this Federation in 1992.

Moochers are also heavily looked down upon by society, to be frank. You'd might as well work. The bourgeois stereotypes of Asian, strict parents wishing for you to become greater people with greater jobs are taken to their extremes. The difference being, if you fail, that's fine. You wouldn't starve to death, and you've got chances to retry. If worst comes to worst, Bureaus and Cadres will force you to work. Regrettably authoritarian, but you were given time.

Explain to me how moochers are given jobs if automation simply exists, tell me what jobs these welfare-leeches are given if they are on unemployment?

And to rebut your first argument, Mister Fansunxi, Socialism SEEKS TO ABOLISH THESE SOCIAL DIFFERENCES. But you've got to start somewhere. Now, I believe I've already answered why this is how it is in previous responses. Nonetheless, it's very simple. We see the future by looking to the past. The masses require something to aspire for, and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

You did not answer the questions that I asked. Why does it seem that your nation holds such a strong arrogant hubris on the 'superiority' of yellow-oriental civilization and ignore other civilizations as if they are not enlightened? Why does your nation preach about culture and traditions even though your nation is nothing more than an artificial state that ignores cultural and ethnic lines and instead amalgamate yellow and brown orientals into one faux yellow-centric identity? Why does your nation's ideology use concepts from Chinese and Filipino cultures without realizing the social differences found in different cultural and ethnic groups? Explain how your country 'lacks' the actual repercussion of millions of workers losing their job due to robots doing all the menial job? Tell me how your workers have such really-short weekly working hours because of robots and how these workers haven't yet lost their jobs to automation? How do people in the Pan-Asiatic even get jobs and welfare, again do they just simply arrive at work, work for such a short time (and how much do they even get paid per hour) and then go home while the government grabs money from money trees and throw it at citizens? You can ignore my questions, make up petty excuses to save face, and simply fabricate explanations, but just let it be known that your nation is not and never will be a 'workers' paradise'. You commies have already bastardize the very name of socialism with your disgustingly petty and dogmatic cancerous ideas rather than follow a forward-thinking, highly-pragmatic path. Your marxist dogma has given socialism a bad name, the lack of rational thought in communism has allowed free-market capitalism to gain a massive advantage in world economics to the point that the anti-socialists have pulled off what is essentially the world's longest-running, most successful propaganda campaign as the very mention of the name 'socialism' has become sadly synonymous with the very dogmatic tumor you call 'communism'.

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Postby Pan-Asiatic States » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:45 am

"Yeah, no. You speak so extravagantly, but miss the point entirely, so I'm cutting out the blatant bullshit that you could've picked up from basic Socialist literature, but either haven't or wouldn't. I want to simplify your argument just so you, and everyone else, could hear how stupid it actually is.

You're basically saying 'if robots do all the work, how will people earn money'?

I'd just like to say that this just illustrates how uninformed you are on Marxism, maybe even on the entire Leftist political spectrum.

The State doesn't pull money out of its ass. If a machine can do 7 hours worth of work, you'll only have to do 2 hours and get the same pay. If the machine can suddenly do the 9 hours, that's Communism.

If you're a three-year-old with a laptop:

Robots make money -> Money divided equally -> Re-Distributed. Equation: Labor-Time Output Capital + "Produced by Robot" Capital = Payment to each worker

You're argument saw it as: Labor-Time Output Capital - "Produced by Robot" Capital = Payment to each worker


Also, you just mentioned an upper-class in your nation even though you boast about being a 'classless society'. That's a contradiction


I was referring to your bourgeois society. Why would there be an upper-class in a Socialist society?

I do not understand why you cannot comprehend a Pan-Asiatic Federation. We exist. If the Soviet Union could do it, why couldn't we?

You commies have already bastardize the very name of socialism with your disgustingly petty and dogmatic cancerous ideas rather than follow a forward-thinking, highly-pragmatic path. Your marxist dogma has given socialism a bad name, the lack of rational thought in communism has allowed free-market capitalism to gain a massive advantage in world economics to the point that the anti-socialists have pulled off what is essentially the world's longest-running, most successful propaganda campaign as the very mention of the name 'socialism' has become sadly synonymous with the very dogmatic tumor you call 'communism'.


The Ad Hominem is strong with this one. Just keep on spurting out generic insults I've definitely not gotten before.




The bottomline is this. You've not only contradicted the basics LTV and Marxism, but you keep giving this very vague illustration of what YOU think Socialism is. Until I see you attacking concepts of Socialism rather than your blind interpretations and Capitalist critique of Capitalist concepts to an entirely different economic system, I simply can't take you or your arguments seriously. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs' role is not to force ideology, we're here to educate. You keep agitating. Bring these senseless arguments someplace else."


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Postby Fardhin » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:52 am

"I assure you that I am not involve in any war crimes. Anyhow, what the hell do you plan on doing to H1A? I will not let you communists weaponize the city."
-Don Gobernador Tria, referring to the captured Hex
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NEWS: Angel's Alliance threatens war with Fardhin if Fardhin refuses to cease supposed Tagalog Genocide. | Fardhin denies existence of any Tagalog Genocide. | Engagement between PASAF and Fardhinon resistance in Sumatra.
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