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Victorious Decepticons
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:40 pm

What People See

Megatron gets in front of live holovision cameras and announces his new decree. It is then law. The decree is then disseminated further by rebroadcasts, news chips, and updates of the official legal file and other downloadable data packs.

Behind the Scenes

The Domestic Intelligence Division, or DomIntel, constantly monitors conversations and other means of expressing opinions. This data is continually parsed by the DomIntel Supercomputer, a huge nonsapient machine, for patterns, percentage of agreement with particular sentiments, and more. When an issue arises that has been found to be of concern to the majority of the people, or is a matter of national security, a report is automatically printed out. This report is then sent directly to Leader Megatron.

If he thinks a decree might be a good idea, he then either makes the relevant decree or seeks more information.

If he wants more information, for example how well or badly a certain decree might go over, he instructs DomIntel to conduct secret polling. This is done by planting agents in various public establishments. They then strike up conversations as if they're random people, and slip in comments about what can be done about the situation in question. The responses to these comments are recorded and tabulated. (An example "seed" comment would be something like: "I bet the infrastructure would get fixed better if troops did it instead of these crummy contractors...")

Megatron then formulates his decree to avoid as many "I would sooo revolt" responses as possible while still actually meeting the original goal. If it is impossible to make a decree that does that without also sparking a revolution, then the magnitude of the expected revolution attempt is weighed against the benefit the decree would provide. It is understood that all decrees will be hated by at least a few people, just because of the nature of sapient beings.

Finally, after considering all of this, Leader Megatron gets in front of live holovision cameras and officially makes his decree. The use of live broadcasts for the initial announcement ensures that fake decrees cannot successfully be made by imposters.

To the less-than-astute, it seems as if he knows exactly what decrees will be popular (or at least, not significantly UNpopular) by magic. When he believes it's worth putting up with some truly rebellious behavior in order to make a decree, the "coincidental" presence of the right amount of elite defensive troops at the Megatron Mansion seems similarly amazing. Of course, those who give it some thought easily realize that Domestic Intelligence has somehow taken all of the guesswork out of the process, though its precise means of doing so are kept heavily secret.
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Magical Equestria
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Postby Magical Equestria » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:45 pm

Victorious Decepticons wrote:What People See

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Behind the Scenes

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Princess Celestia's government is somewhat more laid back about it, but curiously, our two systems have more in common than they have differences.

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Midand
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Postby Midand » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:30 pm

Generally, laws are decided either through the general public, the leader himself, or the government/parliament.
All three have different processes on how to pass legislation.

General Public
If the public has decided that a new law must be enacted, they must rally support and recognition by many people. The petition must then be circulated around the nation to gather signatures. Once the petition has reached a certain amount, it is then brought to the local authority in the original area it was decided. The council there then must discuss and vote on the law, and if passed, will be brought forth to the lowest level of the government: the Midand Public Affairs Council. (Note: In some cases, the law must go through a public voting period)
The MPAC will then also discuss and vote on it with consultation of officials, and if it passes, will have a debate and vote in the Midandian Parliament and brought forth to the Midand Ministry of National Affairs.
It will then be brought to the Midand High Council, where the final voting and debate period will begin. The law will then finally be passed, and the leader will announce his acknowledgement of the new law.

Leader
If the leader desires to make a new law, he/she is automatically granted authority to make the law, but the law MUST pass a vote in the MMONA and the Midand High Council for it to actually take effect.
In some cases, this will require a vote with the public.

Government/Parliament
If the government or parliament is advocating for a new law to be held, the law must pass through the Midand High Council and requires a debate and voting period among the general public.
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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:30 am

New laws may be proposed by government representatives or by citizens (via petitions, which can also be held over laws proposed in the government). If a petition gets over 4 million signatures (for national laws) or 100,000 (for state laws), a referendum is held; if not, the Federal Assembly and Assembly of States votes on it.

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Tierra Prime
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Postby Tierra Prime » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:37 pm

There are two methods through which a law may be passed. The first and most common is proposal by the Imperial Senate. All laws, barring those granted a special dispensation by the Lord Speaker, must be debated for at least thirty days before they are voted upon. After a law is passed by the senate, it is sent to the emperor, who discusses its positives and negatives together with the Imperial Council. The emperor then announces whether he will grant imperial assent to the law, allowing it to pass, or veto it. The second method is proposal by the emperor. At the direction of the emperor, the Lord Secretary will draw up a draft version of the law. If the draft is approved by the emperor, it will be issued as part of a decree. However, before a decree can be issued, it must be signed by the emperor in the presence of the Lord Steward, the minister in charge of the Imperial Household. Once this is done, the decree is issued by the Imperial Government, formally becoming law.
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Postby Eahland » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:00 pm

Se cyning segþ, and swa þæt is.

("The king speaks, and it is so.")

That's the theory, anyway. In practice... we've pretty much got all the laws we need. Most of the important stuff was laid down hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago, and, as a monarchy, we don't have that disease that afflicts republics where their representatives need to be seen to be doing something (even if it's horribly misguided, actively counterproductive, blatantly evil, pants-on-head retarded, or all of the above) in order to convince folk to let them keep their jobs. So, every so often, something truly new comes up that does need to be addressed with a law, or we decide that old laws are unjust and need some changes, and someone has to decree something, but for the most part, making law isn't really a thing.

So the cyninges actual job is more about settling disputes of existing law that weren't satisfactorily resolved at lower levels, or that lower levels didn't have the authority to address (such as disputes involving the very æþelingas whose job it would ordinarily be to resolve them), and very seldom actually about making new laws. (Though the influence on precedent the cyning ruling on legal disputes has is sort of low-level law-making in itself.) Governance is more about a bunch of ambihtmenn arguing about budgets, and higher ambihtmenn resolving their disputes, and the cyning getting angry at them all if they let things get up to a level where he has to settle it, than about anyone making new laws.
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Postby Hamidiye » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:34 pm

Someone suggests it to the Sultan, he consults his Pashas and makes a decision.
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Lonbonia
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Postby Lonbonia » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:41 pm

The Process of Lawmaking in Lonbonia

In usual conditions, a law is made after bypassing several legislative departments, and being approved at the Emperor's Desk by Imperial Will.

Common Congress
Every major city (500,000+) in Lonbonia contains an Imperial Lawhouse, a location where government-approved petition slips are given and posted to the Common Board of the Country, a physical electoral process in which the citizens of Lonbonia vote for yet unapproved laws, called nonapprovato bills, to be sent to the Common Congress, the lower-house cabinet of the legislative law, representing the interests of the people. A minimum of 187,500,000 votes are required before a nonapprovato bill is even considered to be sent to the Common Congress, as Lonbonia has a huge population of over 750 million people. 30 nonapprovato bills usually make it to the Common Congress every year.

When the nonapprovato bill reaches the Common Congress, it is now called a common bill. The common bill is then discussed, attacked for weakpoints, and ultimately voted upon, each stage taking at least three weeks. The Common Congress is made up of representatives of each Lonbonian Subject [equivalent to a US state], where every subject has at least 50 Speakers. If the common bill achieves 51% approval in the Common Congress, then the Speaker of the People, the elected leader of the Common Congress, addresses the common bill over to the next higher legislative department. On usual, 10 common bills pass through the Common Congress every year.

The Congress of Laws
The Congress of Laws is the guard to the Emperor's Desk. The Congress of Laws does not need the consensus of the people to create laws -- they create laws as the Emperor wills it through his Imperial Will or through necessity. If a common bill reaches the Congress of Laws, it is discussed more thoroughly, attacked more brutally, and then ultimately voted upon, requiring the approval of 60% of the 750-man Congress to be sent to the Emperor. Only three common bills usually pass the Congress of Laws every year.

The Emperor's Desk
If the common bill passes the Congress of Laws, it is then promoted to "People's Bill", now that it had been extensively attacked, and still, approved by both legislative departments, and ultimately, awaiting only the Emperor's Decision. The Emperor is then responsible for deciding if the bill is worthy of his meticulous ink stroke to finally sign it into law, or to be trashed away. Usually, out of three common bills, two are signed into law, and the other is trashed away, though on some occasions, it is possible to sign all three into law or trash all three. It is here where the absolute power of the Emperor lies -- there is no constitution to prevent him from signing or not signing, only his Imperial Will and personal wish is the base upon which he makes his decision.
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Postby Edreland » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:49 pm

An Act is proposed in the Diet and must pass a quorum vote to be given its first reading. After the first reading it is debated upon; members may move to establish a committee to amend it, whereupon it is given its second reading. After the second reading it may be put to vote or sent back to committee; this happens until the Act is finally voted on.

If it is passed, the Act goes to the President, who can either sign and promulgate it or declare it to be constitutionally invalid, in which case it goes to the High Court. The High Court can examine it and either upholds the President's decision or passes the Act anyway. Upon passage, whether by Diet --> President or Diet ---> President ---> High Court, an Act becomes law.
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Postby Lethen Empire » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:03 pm

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Postby Nouvelle Navar » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:21 am

Laws are drawn up and put up to vote in the parliament called The National Assembly, if they pass then the President signs the legislation or sends it to the supreme court to test it's constitutionality. If the law passes the test in the Supreme Court then the President has to sign it. Although proposed changes to the constitution have to put to a referendum and need's a simple majority to pass.
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Postby Luziyca » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:54 am

It goes a bit like this:

First Reading -> Second Reading -> Committee -> Third Reading

After it passes all those stages in the first house, the same shit happens in the second house. When that is done, the President can either enact it into law or veto it. The veto can be overridden with a 2/3rds majority of both houses though.
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Postby Ktathria » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:30 pm

New laws are made either of two ways in Ktathria:

LAWS PASSED BY THE EMPRESS

The Empress signs legislation and files it with the Clerk to the Privy Council and the Speaker of Parliament. At this time it enters dormancy for a period of 48 hours.

If during those 48 hours Parliament wishes to challenge the legislation, it may call a vote of protest. To do so requires that a motion be tabled jointly by no fewer than 15% of the current sitting MPs, including representatives of at least (a) two political parties if one of them is the governing party, or (b) three political parties otherwise. Such a vote, no matter the majority, is not legally binding – it is advisory only.

If no vote of protest is called, or if one is called and The Empress chooses to reject it, then the legislation becomes law at the end of the dormancy period.

LAWS PASSED BY PARLIAMENT

Laws tabled either by the Government or by non-Government MPs eventually go before Parliament for a vote. If the vote is in favour, the legislation is filed with the Speaker of Parliament and the Clerk to the Privy Council, and passed to The Empress.

Should The Empress choose to sign the legislation, it becomes law immediately.

If She rejects it, the legislation is returned to Parliament as null and void. Legislation rejected by an Empress cannot be presented to the same Empress a second time – if Parliament attempts to do so, the Clerk to the Privy Council will reject the legislation on Her behalf.

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Appalachia
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Postby Appalachia » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:22 pm

At the federal level, laws originate from either one of the two legislative houses or the executive branch.

Any sitting member of the Parliament may propose a bill. n either the Assembly or the Senate, a bill then begins in the relevant committee. In both chambers the permanent committees are - Foreign Affairs, Defense, Environment, Finance, Culture, Education, Justice, Utilities and Infrastructure, Technology, Health, Welfare, Labor, and General Government (miscellaneous). The committee is comprised of 11 members in the Assembly or 7 in the Senate, with seats divided based on the proportion of the 3 major parties in the chamber. As General Government decides which bills goes to which committee, it is well known to be disproportionately powerful. Committees bring bills to the floor 'as is' without amendments.

If the bill passes the committee vote, it goes to the floor. At this point the process varies based on the chamber. But the general set-up is that bill sponsors get to speak first, followed by speeches in opposition and in favor of the bill, in rotation, for up to 4 hours, although a 2/3rds majority vote or a decision of the Chair can extend debate. The chair calls the speakers, and each speaker is given 10 minutes plus 5 minutes of questions. The Chair (the Speaker of the Assembly or President of the Senate) calls on the speakers. A 2/3rds vote can also close debate early and initiate a vote, or table a bill for later discussion. Simple majorities are required for amendments. Amendments have their own discussion periods of up to one hour. In principle, amendments must be within the original scope of the bill (subject to a decision by the Chair) although in practice this is not always adhered to.

Once a bill passes the Assembly or Senate, it goes to the other chamber. That chamber may make amendments, but the amended version (with no additional amendments allowed) must then be passed again by the first chamber. If the first chamber does not pass the amended version, that version of the bill is defeated and the whole matter goes back to the committee, who votes on whether to bring the bill to the floor again.

Lobbying is legal and occurs often, although bribery is strictly illegal and lobbyists. are restricted from doing just about anything that could be construed as a gift (free meals, trips, etc.). In practice some backroom dealing occurs however.

Once a bill has passed both chambers, it goes to the President, who may sign it into law or veto it. The veto can be overridden with a 3/4ths vote in both chambers. In practice there has never been an override.

The President as well as their ministers have the right to propose laws directly, rather than through a member of parliament. Such executive proposals always go to the Senate first, but are still subject to the normal committee process. The President or sponsoring minister is called to the Senate to speak as the bill's sponsor.

Laws are subject to judicial review, The federal court system is its own system too complicated, but the highest court is the High Court, comprised of 7 justices of equal rank, appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate for life. They may overturn laws they find in violation of the Constitution.

Speaking of the Constitution, a constitutional amendment must pass a 2/3rds vote in both chambers, and is then subject to a public referendum. The only amendment thus far passed under this system legalized same-sex marriage nationwide in 2015.

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Postby Soyouso » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:46 am

It's like this. The dictator has power over the entire nation, and the only way for a law to happen is with their approval, and they can modify or remove laws with a single sentence. So, if they decide to implement a law, it will happen, and it is often announced through the various speakers placed around every city or television, radio and newspaper so people are aware, and the necessary steps are taken to implement it.

If a decision ends up being quite challenging to make, the advisors, other specialists requested to speak with the leader, and sometimes citizen created committees will give ideas and attempt to convince the dictator to take a certain stance, provided they can logically prove it is a good idea in context of the state of the nation. It's a sort of FDR-like approach.

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Postby Kaiserholt » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:24 am

The problem with a society that has existed in different forms for over three millennia is that you kinda run out of new issues to legislate. I guess the first step in passing a law, after proposing the idea in the first place of course, is to send a research order down to the State Archives Office. Now I'm sure everyone can imagine the kind of building one would need to store paper copies of every law passed / amended / rescinded in 3,226 years, so yeah...research takes some time. We have a digital logging system, but that only covers what floor, room, and shelf you can find source material.

Another fun part of our law making process is the fact that we have existed for so long that every law we've come up with has already been proposed and debated. So the next step is to open up the debate with salient points from previous debates. Adding current events is simply a garnish for the ambitious new Patrician...gotta make the whipper snapper believe he has original thoughts on the issue that his previous hundred generations of forebears haven't already argued and counter-argued.

Once the House of Lords has established whether or not they want to go through the nuisance of passing the law anyways, we send researchers back to the Archives to flip through the Stone Laws. These are our oldest laws, argued and debated and amended to the legislative equivalent of perfection generations ago. Laws that we long ago realized could not be improved upon. One might even consider them to be a Magna Carta or Bill of Rights, if you're looking for a current events newspaper. The use of said Stone Laws is therefore to see if the proposed law would violate an earlier precedent accepted in the Stone Laws. Nothing is as eloquent a veto as saying we solved this issue a thousand years ago.

If there is no objective argument against passing the law from this step, you must then propose amendments that will make the law capable of passing a vote. These amendments must follow the same procedure as the law itself.

Once it is felt that said law has the possibility of passage, we finally get to the actual vote. Now you need to realize that our national government is run by the representatives of the Most Serene Republic's 453 Clans. Some Clans are wealthier than others. Each Clan is also Patron to countless Citizen Clients across our nation and protectorates. A major purpose for being governed by a Censor who administers the Census is so that the value of each Clan's properties is accurately taken into account.

Why is that? Well, that's the easiest part; a Clan's vote is calculated to be equal to the total number of Equae (our primary economic unit) in their control. If the majority of coins votes for a law it passes. If you don't have enough coins supporting a law it fails.

This last part isn't really a step, but more of a formality. If the law has a financial component then the Censor's next job is to outline the most feasible method of taxation to fund the law. The Censor then hands that revenue bill back to the House of Lords for a second vote. If the Patricians agree to the revenues sources, they literally put their money where the vote is...and reject the bill if it isn't worth the cost.This is also why we worked out the most efficient and pro-growth taxation system possible decades ago...who wants the hassle of a revolutionary new tax revenue scheme when it takes forever and could be changed next year?

If the law has no financial component, then it's either approved or vetoed by the Consul holding fasces for that month.

How do you like that? We're proud of the fact that lawmaking is such an established science. We've actually been known to pass a new law in a given year. 8)
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Postby Azmara » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:37 am

It is proposed in the lower house by a petition with over 50,000 signatures, or by a bill proposed by at least five members of the lower house. The lower house then debates the law and votes on it. If it passes it is sent to the upper house, who debate it further, and if they reject it then the lower house can make amendments to try and make it acceptable. They can also suggest amendments, which the lower house has to vote on, or can merely approve it and send it to the President, who is constitutionally obliged to sign it.



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Postby Valrifell » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:21 am

A law can be proposed in three different ways. One of the Consuls of the Free Realms may propose it to the proper legislative house, a petition of ~200,000 signatures can get a measure placed on the next national ballot, or a member of the National Assembly can propose legislation to be voted on in the associated house.

When a bill is proposed by one of the three Consuls it is proposed to the branch of the National Assembly they have legal dominion over (General Council, Chamber of Commons, and the House of Deputies). It is then placed in several committees and held on the floor for debate until the final law is passed on to the Speaker of the Assembly who brings it before the National Forum for open discussion and debate among members of academia and interest groups, a revised version to include notes written by the Mediator is passed back to the Speaker of the Assembly. The Speaker is then tasked with introducing the bill to the proper branch (or combination of branches) the bill belongs in (Questions of budget and money to the General Council, civil law to the Chamber of Commons, and political reform to House of Deputies). With the proper people assembled, a proper bill can be passed with a simple majority of attending politicians or thrown back into joint committees and returned to the Forum. If the bill is passed by the Assembly, it returns to the Consuls where it must be agreed upon by at least two of them. If a law is voted down by the Consulate, the one in favor of the proposal may start the process of a national referendum without the normally required 200,000 signatures. If the Assembly passes the bill and a Consul wishes, it will appear on the next national ballot.

A bill proposed by a member of the Assembly has a slightly different experience. A Member can propose a bill either as a part of a committee (those form on the whims of politicians, normally) or, far more rarely, as an individual. These pieces of legislation can skip the initial reading in the associated branch and skip straight to the National Forum and are treated in much the same way after that. With the sole exception that the final vote on a Member's legislation must include the branch of the Assembly where they find themselves as to defend themselves in the floor debate.

An initiative is probably the most straightforward way a law can get passed in Valrifell, after achieving the required 200,000 signatures a measure will be placed on the next national ballot and will pass with a simple majority of the voting population during that election.

In theory, the seldom used fourth house of the Assembly, the Concert of Princes, can veto any legislative action in the Assembly and unilaterally pass or revoke legislation with a simple majority. However, since the destruction of the influence of the nobility in Valrifell and because several Princes of the Concert have veto power, the Concert has been reduced to a mostly symbolic body with little actual authority. Their veto has been reduced over the years to a mere disapproval, and the executive of the Concert (sometimes referred to as the Fourth Consul) is the Archduke of Valrifell, appointed directly by the Emperor.

It is required that the complete Assembly convene to vote on major budget concerns (after scrutiny and proposal in the General Council) and war declarations/important military exercises as carried out by a Consul.
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Postby Die PreuBen Kaiserreich » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:18 pm

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Thought -> Initial Draft -> Suggested to Parliament -> Voted on -> Sent to Judge for Constitutional Review -> Passed/Vetoed by Kaiser/Kaiserin

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Thought -> Initial Draft -> Suggested to Kaiser/Kaiserin (only in major laws, such as major government changes) -> Passed/Vetoed by Kaiser/Kaiserin
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Postby Cartoonia » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:36 pm

When a session of Cartoon House gets underway, many representatives can bring up issues that needs to be addressed or give ideas for new resolutions as they see fit. With help of the secretorial staff, the Attorney General and the Chancellor, a Resolution is formed. The resolution is taken to the council, the senior legislative branch of Cartoon House, and vote on if it’s passable, if not it get sent back to the representatives for revision. Once it passes it’s taken to the Supreme Leader where it gets signed. If it’s signed, it becomes a Act of Cartoon House, if not, it’s teared up and that’s the end of the resolution, until someone brings up the issue again
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Marcianus
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Postby Marcianus » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:45 pm

A lot like the US. The leader writes a bill which they pass on to congress. However, congress can't make new bills, give the leader the bill if they choose to veto it or not, and vote on the law. The congress can only make a new law and give it to the leader. If the leader vetoes it, the law is thrown away. Congress can't override the veto unless the citizens absolutely like the new law.
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United Clans of the Lake Territories
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Postby United Clans of the Lake Territories » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:16 am

Minor, circumstantial rules can be created directly by individual Clan leaders, but they usually are no longer followed once the situation that called for them has passed.
The only absolute and unbreakable (at least in theory) laws are clauses of the warrior code. For a new clause to be created, one or more leaders must suggest it at a full-moon gathering. If all five leaders agree to add it, it is an official part of the warrior code, though it’s interpretation can vary through time.


Example:

Sandystar of SkyClan bounded up the leaders’ tree and took her place on the lowest branch. Lightstar of ShadowClan, Finchstar of ThunderClan, Harestar of WindClan, and Meadowstar of RiverClan followed. All five leaders, as well as the cats below, looked thin and ragged; it had been a cold and hungry leaf-bare, and even the lake that usually allowed RiverClan to remain mostly unaffected by prey shortages through the seasons had for the most part frozen over, trapping the fish where they were unreachable.
Lightstar called down to the clearing below for silence. She began to speak, but was interrupted by a meow from Harestar.
“If you don’t mind, I would like to go first.”
“Very well,” Lightstar dipped her head to the old tom.
Harestar began his report. “We are all suffering this leaf-bare, I am sure.” He looked down at the gaunt bodies of his Clanmates, huddled together below. “WindClan, perhaps, more than others.” He paused to catch his breath; he knew his age was starting to catch up to him. In the pause, there were unfriendly murmurs from the cats below, calling Harestar self-pitying and disrespectful of the other Clans by assuming WindClan’s suffering was the worst.
Harestar drew his wiry frame up commandingly, drawing attention from the crowd. “I have thought long and hard,” he continued, “and I believe that there is a way to lessen the effects of a leaf-bare such as this on the Clans. It would ensure that, if a Clan happened to catch more prey than they needed, it would be put to good use. It would strengthen every Clan, and relieve a bit of the stress that—”
“You’ve gone on about it for long enough; what is your idea?” Lightstar asked impatiently.
Harestar dipped his head, a bit embarrassed about his rambling. “I propose an addition to the warrior code: during leaf-bare, all Clans must bring their extra fresh-kill to each gathering, to redistribute amongst those who have little.”
Cries of outrage erupted from the crowd.
“Our prey belongs to our own Clan!”
“Who decides when we have extra fresh-kill, then?”
“Leaf-bare is the one time we can not afford to share!”
But mixed in with the complaints seemed to be some quieter murmurs of approval. “It’s not unprecedented.” Finchstar pointed out, recalling tales of a leaf-bare when the great ThunderClan leader, Firestar, proposed that each Clan bring any extra prey with them to the island. Such a plan, he recalled, worked well for Firestar and the other leaders of the time.
“I support the addition. It’s a natural extension of the code saying we must fight together when danger threatens one Clan.” Sandystar mewed.
“Well, RiverClan would be happy to contribute, seeing as we often catch the most prey during leaf-bare.” Meadowstar meowed. Harestar couldn’t tell if the RiverClan leader was purposely bragging or if that was just her way of communicating, but he was thankful that she agreed. He looked to Finchstar and Lightstar on the branch beside him, hoping desperately that they would say yes.
“Very well,” Lightstar mewed after a while, “as long as you don’t try to control ShadowClan’s prey.”
“Of course not, it would be up to each Clan’s judgement.” Harestar assured the brown tabby.
“Then...” Finchstar quickly counted the ThunderClan cats who looked approving and those who looked as though they disapproved, and, finding more approval than disapproval in the bony faces of his Clanmates, nodded. “ThunderClan agrees to this rule as well.”
The gathering continued as normal, with the four other leaders sharing news of their Clans, but every cat’s mind was mostly on their hunger and the new addition to the warrior code.

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Postby Jeoguk » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:02 am

A scholar proposes legislation and the President decides to sign it or not, usually with advice from rest of the scholar officials.
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Postby New Transeurasia » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:32 pm

1. Someone proposes a bill to the National Assembly, from anywhere in New Transeurasia
2. Their representative determines if it should be voted on by the National assembly.
3. If so, the representative takes the bill to the appropriate committee and joins such committee.
4. The committee edits the bill.
5. After editing, the committee presents the bill in the National Assembly.
6. The National Assembly votes on the bill.
7a. If the bill passes with a 50% or higher majority, it goes to the Premier(Go to step 8).
7b. If not, the committee edits the bill again(Go back to step 4)
8. The Premier can either Sign the bill into law, or veto it.
9a. If the Premier signs the bill into law, it becomes a law nationwide.
9b. If the Premier vetoes the bill, it goes back to the National Assembly.
10. The National Assembly can either vote on it again or send it to the editing committee(Go back to step 4)
11. If the National Assembly votes on the bill again and passes it with a 65% or higher majority, the veto is overriden and the bill becomes law without signature of the Premier.
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Postby Purpelia » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:06 pm

During one of the regular meetings of the Council of 7 one or more dukes bring up an issue. The issue is debated, argued and generally discussed until one of the following results is achieved:
1. The issue is declared as unimportant.
2. The issue is declared as important.

If #2 than the dukes will depart and reconvene at a predetermined time to give their proposals for what to do about it. These aren't actual laws as much as general regulations along the vein of: "Legalize X", "Ban Y", "Tax Z" etc. And they can be as vague or detailed as the dukes like. But they are generally vague.

These proposed solutions to the issue are than debated once again until lines are drawn and the council votes resulting in one of the following:
1. All proposed regulation is denied by the council. In which case the dukes go back to the drawing board.
2. One of the proposed solutions or a mix of several is approved by the council
3. One of the proposed solutions or a mix of is deemed permissible by the council

The difference between 2 and 3 being that 2 implies all 7 duchies will adopt it where as 3 only means they can but it's not obligatory. This means that at times duchies are going to have divergent legislation on issues.

Either way once that is done, each of the duke who agree to adopt the regulation will take it to their team of professional lawmakers back home so that they can make localized versions best fitting to their duchy. And this last step is important to note because Purpelia does not have federal laws. Even if a council votes to make something mandatory the details will still vary between duchies.


Also, it should be noted that if a duke just wants to pass a law for his duchy alone he still has to go through the same process because the council has to affirm that no local law is made in such a way to hurt the federation. Although in this case the first step is skipped and people go strait to voting on the proposal.
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