NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[Gallia-]

they arent thicc theyre sticcs

butter is just margarine or something probably

honey is better since it can be stored for a long time also dumblans are bees

also it's a machine that makes 1.5 lbs boules i guess

so everyone gets 1.5 lbs of sourdough bread

i guess it's bagged in paper or plastic

[Theodosiya]

Armored Brigade

1x Armored/Mechanized Infantry Battalion (depending on whether part of Armored Division or Mechanized Division) of 4x Armored/ Mechanized Infantry Company, a mortar battery of 6x 120mm mortar, a company of Light Tank/Fire Support Vehicle, a SHORAD battery of self propelled combined SPAAG-Missiles system, and a Battalion Support company

3x Armored Battalion of 4x Tank Company, composed from 18x tank each, a SHORAD battery of self propelled combined SPAAG-Missiles system, and a Battalion Support company

1x MERAD Battalion composed of 4x NASAMS battery, a SHORAD battery of self propelled combined SPAAG-Missiles system, a Battalion Security battery and a Battalion Support battery

1x Artillery Battalion of 2x8 piece MLRS and 2x8 piece 155mm SPH battery, a Battalion Security battery and a Battalion Support battery.
1x Combat Engineering Battalion
1x Brigade Support Battalion
1x Antitank Battalion

[The Dolphin Isles]

Do you need conscription to last a year or more to get worthwhile results? Currently, conscription in the Dolphin Isles lasts 6 months (possibly raised to 8 months soon). The idea was that this would be enough time to complete training and do a couple of weeks of public service before returning to civilian life just in time for the start of the next semester of college or trade school. The idea was to give every citizen a basic training for if reserves needed to be mobilized in wartime that could be trained in an expedited fashion.

Being isolated in the middle of a large ocean, the professional military is meant to blunt initial attacks. Meanwhile, defensive units are quickly trained before the enemy can wrest control of the seas and skies and move large amounts of troops to our shores.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Armored Brigade

1x Armored/Mechanized Infantry Battalion (depending on whether part of Armored Division or Mechanized Division) of 4x Armored/ Mechanized Infantry Company, a mortar battery of 6x 120mm mortar, a company of Light Tank/Fire Support Vehicle, a SHORAD battery of self propelled combined SPAAG-Missiles system, and a Battalion Support company

3x Armored Battalion of 4x Tank Company, composed from 18x tank each, a SHORAD battery of self propelled combined SPAAG-Missiles system, and a Battalion Support company

1x MERAD Battalion composed of 4x NASAMS battery, a SHORAD battery of self propelled combined SPAAG-Missiles system, a Battalion Security battery and a Battalion Support battery

1x Artillery Battalion of 2x8 piece MLRS and 2x8 piece 155mm SPH battery, a Battalion Security battery and a Battalion Support battery.
1x Combat Engineering Battalion
1x Brigade Support Battalion
1x Antitank Battalion

216 tanks is a huge brigade. Requires a lot of CSS.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Do you need conscription to last a year or more to get worthwhile results?

Ideally it would be two years. In addition to boot camp recruits need to learn and practice their actual job to be any good at it.

[Purpelia]

what do gaylans put on their bread thing? salt? chilli flakes? herring sauce?

Fleshpaste. When you want to eat Purpelian nothing beats ground up mixed misters meat with the color of human skin and the texture of toothpaste.

[Gallia-]

im pretty sure kalles just tastes like salt but okay i guess

Do you need conscription to last a year or more to get worthwhile results? Currently, conscription in the Dolphin Isles lasts 6 months (possibly raised to 8 months soon). The idea was that this would be enough time to complete training and do a couple of weeks of public service before returning to civilian life just in time for the start of the next semester of college or trade school. The idea was to give every citizen a basic training for if reserves needed to be mobilized in wartime that could be trained in an expedited fashion.

Being isolated in the middle of a large ocean, the professional military is meant to blunt initial attacks. Meanwhile, defensive units are quickly trained before the enemy can wrest control of the seas and skies and move large amounts of troops to our shores.

2 years of regular service is fine

6 mo training

18 mo work

generally, unless you are a little country (finland, singapore, maybe ROK is the peak biggest?), you cant reasonably conscript everyone in an age cohort tho; the army would be too big and wouldnt be able to do much, since there's only so many soldiers you can support in a given geographic area in wartime anyway

the best for an island country is to screen everyone medically, have them take aptitude tests, and put them down on a roster for future conscription if there's a war or something, and take only the better qualified individuals into the military with each annual cycle or w/e

they usually have the luxury of time to train the population with abbreviated training schedules and stockpiles of equipment or something to produce new formations during a major war

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

even superpore conscripts ppl into army/civil defence if it has male overload

[Gallia-]

singapore's population is shrinking so it isnt hard to find places for them rly lmao

israel is getting to the point where it's going to have to end conscription at some nebulous point in the future thanks to demography

ROK just keeps trucking, for the most part, but its population is also shrinking, so again not hard to find places for the ever declining male cohort

[The Dolphin Isles]

im pretty sure kalles just tastes like salt but okay i guess

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2 years of regular service is fine

6 mo training

18 mo work

generally, unless you are a little country (finland, singapore, maybe ROK is the peak biggest?), you cant reasonably conscript everyone in an age cohort tho; the army would be too big and wouldnt be able to do much, since there's only so many soldiers you can support in a given geographic area in wartime anyway

the best for an island country is to screen everyone medically, have them take aptitude tests, and put them down on a roster for future conscription if there's a war or something, and take only the better qualified individuals into the military with each annual cycle or w/e

they usually have the luxury of time to train the population with abbreviated training schedules and stockpiles of equipment or something to produce new formations during a major war

My country is equivalent in population to Russia or Japan but is geographically cast out pretty far into our version of the Pacific. It's MT, so I assumed a base level of preparedness would be good towards getting conscripts trained in time for an invasion that would at least take a little over two months or more to get resources out to me and grow enough naval dominance to clear a route past my navy. My nation is also an island chain, so being able to field a force that can cover enough frontage to stop them from getting a staging ground is important. Of course, it would be preferable for conscripts to take rear-echelon roles while professionals take to the Exocet batteries, but the smaller islands might be a little more hardpressed for manpower.

I was afraid though that a conscription period similar in length to Russia's or even as long as 2 years would be rough on the economy. I can't neglect really neglect that due to my geographic isolation and needing to be extra competitive in the global marketplace to compensate.

[Gallia-]

if your naval air forces have been defeated then youve already lost

island countries with a strong air force are immune to invasion

you can put the planes on carriers if your enemies are out of reach of your land bases i guess

otherwise youre japan and the naval surface force is entirely dedicated to sinking enemy subs and escorting merchant convoys

[The Dolphin Isles]

if your naval air forces have been defeated then youve already lost

island countries with a strong air force are immune to invasion

you can put the planes on carriers if your enemies are out of reach of your land bases i guess

otherwise youre japan and the naval surface force is entirely dedicated to sinking enemy subs and escorting merchant convoys

I'm guessing that I should treat the army as more of an expeditionary force then? I'm also assuming that this would mean that they would get the smallest piece of the funding pie.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

otherwise youre japan and the naval surface force is entirely dedicated to sinking enemy subs and escorting merchant convoys

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[Gallia-]

if your naval air forces have been defeated then youve already lost

island countries with a strong air force are immune to invasion

you can put the planes on carriers if your enemies are out of reach of your land bases i guess

otherwise youre japan and the naval surface force is entirely dedicated to sinking enemy subs and escorting merchant convoys

I'm guessing that I should treat the army as more of an expeditionary force then? I'm also assuming that this would mean that they would get the smallest piece of the funding pie.

unless you have actual land borders with someone aggro then yes

[The Dolphin Isles]

Would the French and Japanese militaries be good examples of something similar to this? A good reference for ratios would be nice for the overall numbers.

[The Manticoran Empire]

if your naval air forces have been defeated then youve already lost

island countries with a strong air force are immune to invasion

you can put the planes on carriers if your enemies are out of reach of your land bases i guess

otherwise youre japan and the naval surface force is entirely dedicated to sinking enemy subs and escorting merchant convoys

I'm guessing that I should treat the army as more of an expeditionary force then? I'm also assuming that this would mean that they would get the smallest piece of the funding pie.

Actually the Army should be entirely focused on preventing the enemy from securing beachheads. The problem here is the same as what Gallia mentioned. As an island nation, your first line of defense is your navy and the second line is land based air power. The Army is your last line of defense.

[Gallia-]

Would the French and Japanese militaries be good examples of something similar to this? A good reference for ratios would be nice for the overall numbers.

Japan maybe. Or ROC I suppose.

Once the enemy has landed you've already lost though, because it means they've neutralized your air force, and now they can run roughshod over the rest of your crib.

Sweden in the '60's might be the best comparison really: A disproportionately large air force (for its population) with commensurately smaller army and navy.

[The Dolphin Isles]

Wouldn't be possible for an enemy to make a concerted push in one sector that causes them to have local air superiority over opfor without eliminating their air force? Such offensive maneuvers would take higher losses, but the enemy might see it as worthwhile if that means they get a staging island.

[The Akasha Colony]

Wouldn't be possible for an enemy to make a concerted push in one sector that causes them to have local air superiority over opfor without eliminating their air force? Such offensive maneuvers would take higher losses, but the enemy might see it as worthwhile if that means they get a staging island.

What use is staging if there is a serious chance the enemy could rally their air force and quickly wipe you out?

An attacking force isn't going to land until they have a solid expectation that they will win the follow-on campaign. And to even get to the stage where landing is a serious consideration, they will need to have secured local naval superiority such that they no longer need to worry about their invasion fleet getting attacked. Which means that the defending navy and air force will need to have been neutralized.

Longer aircraft ranges, mid-air refueling, and the higher speed of modern jets also mean that the idea of a "local sector" is rather moot unless your island is the size of Russia or something. Assuming a landing operation requires roughly a day in order to land and establish a reasonably firm beach head and line of supply, that amount of time is enough for fighters pretty much anywhere in an island group the size of Japan to reach the landing sector. And if the enemy is attempting a landing, that's worth dropping everything and sortieing everything that can fly. So establishing local air superiority basically means establishing national air superiority.

[Gallia-]

Wouldn't be possible for an enemy to make a concerted push in one sector that causes them to have local air superiority over opfor without eliminating their air force? Such offensive maneuvers would take higher losses, but the enemy might see it as worthwhile if that means they get a staging island.

Air forces tend to destroy one or the other immediately. It's very rare that an air force is able to continue mounting offensive operations, even when airplanes and pilots were abundant. The limiting factor in the Western Front more often was the ability of ground and naval forces to ship necessary equipment than any sort of enemy air action.

The one outlier here is the Ostfront in WW2 where the RKKA couldn't fully neutralize the Luftwaffe. This was genuinely unusual though, and I'm not sure what caused it really, except that perhaps neither air force was particularly concerned with destroying the other outright and securing control of the air.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

This was genuinely unusual though, and I'm not sure what caused it really, except that perhaps neither air force was particularly concerned with destroying the other outright and securing control of the air.

It was probably the theatre size. For the same reason that US air forces didnt completely destroy japanese until 1944. and even then japanese could launch air offensives (they were just huge disasters lol)

[Gallia-]

Yes the USA couldn't physically reach the Japanese without carrier aviation, but their air offensives were easily defeated by US airpower. They'd effectively won the war in the air by 1943 or so, it was just getting close enough for planes to get there.

The Luftwaffe was still conducting offensive air operations into May 1945 though.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

So were Japs.

It was mopped up relatively easy in italy / w. front because the theatre size was tiny

just a theory

[Gallia-]

[New Vihenia]

Can we haz 57mm for the maingun ?