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by Gallia- » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:08 pm
by Allanea » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:09 pm
Purpelia wrote:[
I know what was done historically. My question is how crazy I could go with making it BIG without just looking terribly stupid. Like, I imagine something on the scale of a late WW2 destroyer (in size) would be plausible. Or hell, maybe some way of getting battleship grade guns on something on a river. Can you like imagine 12 inch guns being fired from a river boat at another river boat?
On that note I have for a long time now decided to check if I can put railroad scale guns on a river barge for WW1 use as a railroad artillery equivalent.
by Gallia- » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:10 pm
by Gallia- » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:12 pm
by Gallia- » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:16 pm
by Velkanika » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:18 pm
Gallia- wrote:Yes after literal decades of being behind schedule and billions upon billions of self-funded investment by Lockheed Martin (as well as the numerous subsidies from the USAF and international backers) to achieve a state-of-the-art high tech manufacturing capability. So if you discount all of those sunk costs it is very much cheaper. Gripen comes out to around $130 million per fighter if you include the cost of setting up a factory t. the Brazil deal for 36 fighters and a factory. Who knows how much F-35 costs on the same grounds, but considering Gripen, being a worse F-16, is built with relatively conventional 1970's metalworking technology that is fairly simple even for actual third world countries like Brazil or India to grasp, while F-35 requires a hyper cyber age gigafactory that is difficult for even the United States to master, I suspect the difference is rather steep.
You would expect the flyaway costs to converge since they are relatively comparable aircraft, but the timeframe and investment needed in the backing infrastructure is going to be massively more capital intensive than the Gripen. Which is why third worlders like Brazil are making Gripens and not F-35s.
The necessity of a navy, in the restricted sense of the word, springs, therefore, from the existence of a peaceful shipping, and disappears with it, except in the case of a nation which has aggressive tendencies, and keeps up a navy merely as a branch of the military establishment. 1
by Gallia- » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:23 pm
by Triplebaconation » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:30 pm
by Velkanika » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:40 pm
Triplebaconation wrote:The Cappellini's turret was specially built and unarmored. Both ships were intended for Laguna Veneta and probably couldn't be used on rivers without tugs.
The necessity of a navy, in the restricted sense of the word, springs, therefore, from the existence of a peaceful shipping, and disappears with it, except in the case of a nation which has aggressive tendencies, and keeps up a navy merely as a branch of the military establishment. 1
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:42 pm
by The Akasha Colony » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:44 pm
by Velkanika » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:52 pm
The necessity of a navy, in the restricted sense of the word, springs, therefore, from the existence of a peaceful shipping, and disappears with it, except in the case of a nation which has aggressive tendencies, and keeps up a navy merely as a branch of the military establishment. 1
by Gallia- » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:55 pm
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:1. Mount four M777 on a barge
2. Roll down the danube
3. Shell Belgrade
4. ???
5. Profit?
by Shanghai industrial complex » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:01 pm
Allanea wrote:Purpelia wrote:[
I know what was done historically. My question is how crazy I could go with making it BIG without just looking terribly stupid. Like, I imagine something on the scale of a late WW2 destroyer (in size) would be plausible. Or hell, maybe some way of getting battleship grade guns on something on a river. Can you like imagine 12 inch guns being fired from a river boat at another river boat?
On that note I have for a long time now decided to check if I can put railroad scale guns on a river barge for WW1 use as a railroad artillery equivalent.
by Kazarogkai » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:19 pm
by Gallia- » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:25 pm
by Triplebaconation » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:30 pm
by Purpelia » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:14 pm
Allanea wrote:Purpelia wrote:[
I know what was done historically. My question is how crazy I could go with making it BIG without just looking terribly stupid. Like, I imagine something on the scale of a late WW2 destroyer (in size) would be plausible. Or hell, maybe some way of getting battleship grade guns on something on a river. Can you like imagine 12 inch guns being fired from a river boat at another river boat?
On that note I have for a long time now decided to check if I can put railroad scale guns on a river barge for WW1 use as a railroad artillery equivalent.
by Republic of Penguinian Astronautia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:44 am
by Immoren » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:18 am
Republic of Penguinian Astronautia wrote:Another question: Is it possible for an F-35 to be maintained effectively by conscripts.
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Mitheldalond » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:23 am
Purpelia wrote:So this is what love feels like? I want all of them. Absolutely all of them.
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