NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[Purpelia]

I wasn't aware the VDV has tossed BTR's out of planes? Have they run tests like the US had with LAV-25?

They didn't. But there is nothing inherently about tracks vs wheels that would make it impossible.

[Gallia-]

I'm wondering how realistic from an engineering perspective it would be to have a wheeled BMD? Say something 6-wheeled - Pandur I-sized or smaller. Accomodates 5 dismounts in the back. Has a SAMSON-esque RC turret with a 30mm/gpmg/2x missiles which folds down when it's in the hold of an airlifter or Mi-26. Is this something which is viable?

That's basically just Jaguar.

[Austrasien]

I'm wondering how realistic from an engineering perspective it would be to have a wheeled BMD? Say something 6-wheeled - Pandur I-sized or smaller. Accomodates 5 dismounts in the back. Has a SAMSON-esque RC turret with a 30mm/gpmg/2x missiles which folds down when it's in the hold of an airlifter or Mi-26. Is this something which is viable?

Well, it would be heavier so something would have to give.

A heavily laden Mi-26 isn't a good choice as an air assault platform though.

[Ideal Britain]

How do you tell if an ex-convict has reformed or not in terms of granting criminal history wavers in the Army?

[Manokan Republic]

I'm wondering how realistic from an engineering perspective it would be to have a wheeled BMD? Say something 6-wheeled - Pandur I-sized or smaller. Accomodates 5 dismounts in the back. Has a SAMSON-esque RC turret with a 30mm/gpmg/2x missiles which folds down when it's in the hold of an airlifter or Mi-26. Is this something which is viable?

Well, it would be heavier so something would have to give.

A heavily laden Mi-26 isn't a good choice as an air assault platform though.

"The missile hit one of the engines as the Mi-26 was approaching Khankala, and the helicopter crash-landed in a minefield that made up part of the federal military headquarters' perimeter defenses. Some of the survivors, attempting to abandon the wrecked Mi-26, are reported to have been killed by 'friendly' anti-personnel mine explosions."[4] The interior of the helicopter flooded with fuel and its jammed doors could not be opened.[2] Only the crew of five and 29 passengers managed to escape through the small cockpit exit hatch. Fourteen of the survivors died over the next few days from severe burns."- Well I mean, any helicopter can get hit with a missile and land in a minefield. I'm not sure if that's specific to this aircraft.

[Austrasien]

Helicopters are quite vulnerable in general. Making them bigger, slower and worse at turning does them no favours. Big helicopters are great for moving things around but not at all great for going places where they can be shot at.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

In countries where there are Gendarmeries that are part of the Army is the Army as a whole and soldiers in general hated by the criminal element?

[Immoren]

Naval nonsense

[Izukyu]

How do you tell if an ex-convict has reformed or not in terms of granting criminal history wavers in the Army?

Length of time since their offense, seriousness of the offense, any new criminal history, etc. Multiple factors would have to go into consideration. But also keeping in mind that some may be joining the army to get away from criminal influences and no one's past is perfect.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Just put violent convicts on life-time hard labour lmfao.

[Izukyu]

In countries where there are Gendarmeries that are part of the Army is the Army as a whole and soldiers in general hated by the criminal element?

I don't know that there's any evidence to say either way. But I would think that criminals are generally smart enough to realize that every soldier is not a gendarme or engaged in gendarmerie duties. But aren't gendarmeries usually their own branch of the military anyway?

[Radictistan]

Naval nonsense

In Radictistan the coastal artillery (Bastion-P) and Naval Infantry are both Army, but if the Navy was responsible it would probably be more like Option Two. Things tend to be organized pretty strictly by platform.

[Arthurista]

Helicopters are quite vulnerable in general. Making them bigger, slower and worse at turning does them no favours. Big helicopters are great for moving things around but not at all great for going places where they can be shot at.

Overall, I'm increasingly of the view that airborne/air assault ops into even moderately defended areas aren't incredibly realistic. The real advantage for these forces lies in strategic mobility.

I might rethink the need for it to be parachutable, then. Which is more useful - something which confers a degree of protected mobility to these troops whilst on the ground - i.e. BMD's, or direct fire support, i.e. Sprut or M8?

[Gallia-]

Sprut.

VDV's air-mechanization only works if you're the Soviet Union and "strategic mobility" means "1,500 nautical miles".

And you have Aeroflot's limitless IL-76s.

[Nevertopia]

quick question guys, what are the main vehicles in naval, ground and air warfare?
Im thinking of making a factbook showcasing all the different vehicles my nation has but was wondering if it'd be better just to make some kind of showcase of the primary armaments? How would I go about doing this? Does anyone have a factbook that would be a good example?

[The Manticoran Empire]

quick question guys, what are the main vehicles in naval, ground and air warfare?
Im thinking of making a factbook showcasing all the different vehicles my nation has but was wondering if it'd be better just to make some kind of showcase of the primary armaments? How would I go about doing this? Does anyone have a factbook that would be a good example?

For naval warfare, central systems are aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, attack submarines, missile submarines, and replenishment ships. For air warfare, fighters, bombers, attack planes, recon planes, and airborne early warning planes. For ground warfare, tanks, IFVs, APCs, light trucks, medium trucks, and heavy trucks. This LUDICROUSLY over simplified. This is one of my factbooks that is just equipment. Some of the images are broke so I'm gonna have to fix those but the basic point remains the same.
There are LOTS of different things that a military needs in order to function.

[Nevertopia]

quick question guys, what are the main vehicles in naval, ground and air warfare?
Im thinking of making a factbook showcasing all the different vehicles my nation has but was wondering if it'd be better just to make some kind of showcase of the primary armaments? How would I go about doing this? Does anyone have a factbook that would be a good example?

For naval warfare, central systems are aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, attack submarines, missile submarines, and replenishment ships. For air warfare, fighters, bombers, attack planes, recon planes, and airborne early warning planes. For ground warfare, tanks, IFVs, APCs, light trucks, medium trucks, and heavy trucks. This LUDICROUSLY over simplified. This is one of my factbooks that is just equipment. Some of the images are broke so I'm gonna have to fix those but the basic point remains the same.
There are LOTS of different things that a military needs in order to function.

ok maybe thats too much. What im thinking was a page that showed off the "main weapon" for each category. Like, heres our main rifle, heres our main fighter, etc. How would I go about doing that? And do you have any layouts that youd suggest on the forums? Also I realize since my nation has magic, a lot of those vehicles like spyplanes would be redundant because we could just use magic to scry on people. How would I factor that into my factbook?

[Gallia-]

I think the code used on NS factbooks is the same as the form, so just build a table like:

Code: Select all

[table][tr][td]guns[/td][td]year get[/td][td]purpose[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]schutgun m/69[/td][td]AD 1969[/td][td]schutin[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]bewmgun m/420[/td][td]ad 20420[/td][td]bewm[/td][/tr][/table]

guns	year get	purpose
schutgun m/69	AD 1969	schutin
bewmgun m/420	ad 20420	bewm

[New Vihenia]

Other than the shape of turret, i'm curious if there is any more differences between T-80B and T-80U ?

I just realized after watching top view during Russian victory parade... the T-80B have "<3" shaped turret while the T-80U have "curved blunt pentagonal" shape.

[Mitheldalond]

So I'm currently going into an RP with several people who are using the typical NS MT supership roflnoughts. You know: 1000+ ft mega-ships bristling with 20+ inch (rail)guns, thousands of VLS tubes, covered in meter-thick armor, and rocketing around at 60+ knots. (For example, though the specifics don't really matter.) Since I'm likely to end up fighting a naval campaign against some of them, I figured I'd strategize a bit.

Note that I'm viewing this as more of an entertaining thought excercise than an actual problem with the RP. Obviously I could complain and argue about how their ships are unrealistic, but there's not much fun in that for anybody. I could also fight fire with fire (I have designed roflnoughts of my own after all, though I don't use them), but I don't want to, and nobody would learn anything from that anyway. My plan is to fight them - and win - using my standard MT navy as realistically as I know how.

Anyway, the first challenge is the armor. The obvious solution is to send in the SSNs, which is my main plan. But just for fun, I though I'd explore other options. I know that anti-ship missiles and other guided weapons can destroy their radar and other sensors that can't be armored, which may not sink the ship, but will still take it out of the fight. But are there any modern weapons that could actually penetrate heavy armor? How would bunker busters like the GBU-28 or HOPE fair in this situation?

[Mitheldalond]

For naval warfare, central systems are aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, attack submarines, missile submarines, and replenishment ships. For air warfare, fighters, bombers, attack planes, recon planes, and airborne early warning planes. For ground warfare, tanks, IFVs, APCs, light trucks, medium trucks, and heavy trucks. This LUDICROUSLY over simplified. This is one of my factbooks that is just equipment. Some of the images are broke so I'm gonna have to fix those but the basic point remains the same.
There are LOTS of different things that a military needs in order to function.

ok maybe thats too much. What im thinking was a page that showed off the "main weapon" for each category. Like, heres our main rifle, heres our main fighter, etc. How would I go about doing that? And do you have any layouts that youd suggest on the forums? Also I realize since my nation has magic, a lot of those vehicles like spyplanes would be redundant because we could just use magic to scry on people. How would I factor that into my factbook?

Don't have time for an extended answer right now, but basically, Wikipedia is your friend.

As for scrying, you generally have to know the person or location before hand, or you won't actually be able to see anything. At least in the magic systems I'm familiar with.

[Dayganistan]

So I'm currently going into an RP with several people who are using the typical NS MT supership roflnoughts. You know: 1000+ ft mega-ships bristling with 20+ inch (rail)guns, thousands of VLS tubes, covered in meter-thick armor, and rocketing around at 60+ knots. (For example, though the specifics don't really matter.) Since I'm likely to end up fighting a naval campaign against some of them, I figured I'd strategize a bit.

Note that I'm viewing this as more of an entertaining thought excercise than an actual problem with the RP. Obviously I could complain and argue about how their ships are unrealistic, but there's not much fun in that for anybody. I could also fight fire with fire (I have designed roflnoughts of my own after all, though I don't use them), but I don't want to, and nobody would learn anything from that anyway. My plan is to fight them - and win - using my standard MT navy as realistically as I know how.

Anyway, the first challenge is the armor. The obvious solution is to send in the SSNs, which is my main plan. But just for fun, I though I'd explore other options. I know that anti-ship missiles and other guided weapons can destroy their radar and other sensors that can't be armored, which may not sink the ship, but will still take it out of the fight. But are there any modern weapons that could actually penetrate heavy armor? How would bunker busters like the GBU-28 or HOPE fair in this situation?

There are HEAT warheads capable of penetrating 1 meter of armour. You could use an existing anti-tank system capable of penetrating that much armour or slap a HEAT warhead onto an anti-ship missile. But then again, I have no idea what 1 meter of ship armour would be in RHA equivalent.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So I'm currently going into an RP with several people who are using the typical NS MT supership roflnoughts. You know: 1000+ ft mega-ships bristling with 20+ inch (rail)guns, thousands of VLS tubes, covered in meter-thick armor, and rocketing around at 60+ knots. (For example, though the specifics don't really matter.) Since I'm likely to end up fighting a naval campaign against some of them, I figured I'd strategize a bit.

Note that I'm viewing this as more of an entertaining thought excercise than an actual problem with the RP. Obviously I could complain and argue about how their ships are unrealistic, but there's not much fun in that for anybody. I could also fight fire with fire (I have designed roflnoughts of my own after all, though I don't use them), but I don't want to, and nobody would learn anything from that anyway. My plan is to fight them - and win - using my standard MT navy as realistically as I know how.

Anyway, the first challenge is the armor. The obvious solution is to send in the SSNs, which is my main plan. But just for fun, I though I'd explore other options. I know that anti-ship missiles and other guided weapons can destroy their radar and other sensors that can't be armored, which may not sink the ship, but will still take it out of the fight. But are there any modern weapons that could actually penetrate heavy armor? How would bunker busters like the GBU-28 or HOPE fair in this situation?

You can penetrate armour if you try hard enough. Or just deliver a contact-fused 500 kiloton thermonuclear bomb via missile.

[Gallia-]

The USSR probably had like 500 operational Kitchens at most at any one time.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I still think "pour le SDN, faut la nucc" is the better idea.