NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[The Allied Tribe]

What do people think of my nation's self-defense force?

Note really a huge amount to say as there really isn't much detail.

One would question why what are effectively large/reinforced companies are being called Divisions. Even if they were supposed to be cadre forces that could be used to form divisions in the case of a general mobilisation they are still to small.
The 2,500 of the 2nd cavalry, assuming its not a typo as the total strength of 1000 would suggest, would be a better number as that would give you a reasonable small brigade/regiment of two battalions plus a couple of support units to start from.

You might want to clarify what you mean by cavalry, do you mean guys who actually ride some sort of animal into combat (as the shields thing suggests)? If so this is probably fine for the Guards as a public duties unit but for an actual combat unit they probably should be in tanks or armoured recce vehicles

I made a mistake there, the 2nd Cavalry is also 250. The reason why it still says 2500 is because originally it was 2500 for all divisions but after the unfortunate events of late 2020 AWW (in Dandor) the army was made smaller since the population also became smaller. I can bring it back to 2500 temporarily since those events haven't actually occurred yet.

By cavalry, I actually mean animals. The cavalry ride llamos which are a lot harder to kill than llamas. As a result they are still useful in repelling invading forces if the riders are heavily armored in battle. The shields have been used historically, and because The Allied Tribe is somewhat traditionalist they still use shields to this day. Those shields are more modern and can be used to deflect bullets.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

This is not a defence force this is a glorified municipal police department.

[The Allied Tribe]

This is not a defence force this is a glorified municipal police department.

There's a difference between a self-defense force and a defense force. Self-defense forces are only used to defend their nation or their allies, while defense forces can also invade other nations if needed.

[The Akasha Colony]

This is not a defence force this is a glorified municipal police department.

There's a difference between a self-defense force and a defense force. Self-defense forces are only used to defend their nation or their allies, while defense forces can also invade other nations if needed.

It doesn't really matter, ABH is pointing out that at that size and with that kind of equipment, you'd be lucky to deal with a local protest nevermind conduct military operations, especially if "invading other nations" is part of the expectation.

[The Allied Tribe]

There's a difference between a self-defense force and a defense force. Self-defense forces are only used to defend their nation or their allies, while defense forces can also invade other nations if needed.

It doesn't really matter, ABH is pointing out that at that size and with that kind of equipment, you'd be lucky to deal with a local protest nevermind conduct military operations, especially if "invading other nations" is part of the expectation.

Yeah, but our self-defense force is not our police force. Also, Dandor is not that advanced. We can definitely handle a local protest, and although our army is too weak for military operations we still have infantry that use revolvers.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Military_doctrine_of_Saranidia

https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Sharifistani_military_doctrine

Do these military doctrines make sense?

What are the strengths and weaknesses of these doctrines?

[-AlEmAnNiA-]

there is hardly anything there to say what the strengths and weaknesses are

[Dayganistan]

It doesn't really matter, ABH is pointing out that at that size and with that kind of equipment, you'd be lucky to deal with a local protest nevermind conduct military operations, especially if "invading other nations" is part of the expectation.

Yeah, but our self-defense force is not our police force. Also, Dandor is not that advanced. We can definitely handle a local protest, and although our army is too weak for military operations we still have infantry that use revolvers.

Not being that advanced is no excuse to have literally medieval military equipment in 2020. Even the poorest countries in the world can get their hands on AKs or FALs and a few BMPs.

[The Allied Tribe]

https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Military_doctrine_of_Saranidia

https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Sharifistani_military_doctrine

Do these military doctrines make sense?

What are the strengths and weaknesses of these doctrines?

I would like to ask a question.

Is Sharifistan the same person as Saranidia?

[The Allied Tribe]

What do people think of my nation's self-defense force?

I have no idea what tech level you are but if you're MT shields are completely useless in modern combat. If they're light enough to be carried for extended times they won't protect you from bullets. If they're heavy enough to stop rifle rounds they're a specialist thing meant for counter terror units and police tactical units carrying out short duration entry missions.

It can be light enough to carry for a long period of time and heavy enough to stop rounds. Do I really need to tell that to you?

The only real drawback I see is that it's very difficult to use a rifle while holding one.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

What are the strengths and weaknesses of these doctrines?

I would like to ask a question.

Is Sharifistan the same person as Saranidia?

Yes

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I have no idea what tech level you are but if you're MT shields are completely useless in modern combat. If they're light enough to be carried for extended times they won't protect you from bullets. If they're heavy enough to stop rifle rounds they're a specialist thing meant for counter terror units and police tactical units carrying out short duration entry missions.

It can be light enough to carry for a long period of time and heavy enough to stop rounds. Do I really need to tell that to you?

The only real drawback I see is that it's very difficult to use a rifle while holding one.

Did you know that artillery shrapnel can be as big as or bigger than dinner plates and that they will literally separate limbs from a body?

[The Allied Tribe]

I would like to ask a question.

Is Sharifistan the same person as Saranidia?

Yes

Okay, I think I knew that already.

Which nation is your main though?

[The Allied Tribe]

It can be light enough to carry for a long period of time and heavy enough to stop rounds. Do I really need to tell that to you?

The only real drawback I see is that it's very difficult to use a rifle while holding one.

Did you know that artillery shrapnel can be as big as or bigger than dinner plates and that they will literally separate limbs from a body?

Yes, I did. It's hard to criticize a nation that is in a different universe.

I originally came here to defend Sharifistan and decided to change what I posted. That was a pretty bad idea.

[Dayganistan]

It can be light enough to carry for a long period of time and heavy enough to stop rounds. Do I really need to tell that to you?

The only real drawback I see is that it's very difficult to use a rifle while holding one.

The Russian Vant shield which is actually rated to stop full power rifle rounds at close range weighs over 40 pounds and is almost as tall as a fully grown man. You're not carrying that for extended periods of time.

[Almadaria]

I have no idea what tech level you are but if you're MT shields are completely useless in modern combat. If they're light enough to be carried for extended times they won't protect you from bullets. If they're heavy enough to stop rifle rounds they're a specialist thing meant for counter terror units and police tactical units carrying out short duration entry missions.

It can be light enough to carry for a long period of time and heavy enough to stop rounds. Do I really need to tell that to you?

The only real drawback I see is that it's very difficult to use a rifle while holding one.

Let me guess: Vibranium

[Triplebaconation]

So imagining that, even though I'm playing as the Brazilians, I'm still wanting to create a mini empire of my own. I'm planning on economically uniting West Africa and most of South America into a united economic trade zone, but that's going to take some serious protection of my own territories. For the defense of the sea lanes and land borders I hold, do I actually need to invest in significant amounts of naval power in the way of aircraft carriers, or do long-range/strategic bombers actually just work for chasing away errant invasion fleets and attempted trespassers?

Where and what is the opposition? Geographically the South Atlantic is probably harder to control than the North.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

If all of a military and regional power's military were unresponsive to an enemy squadron for some reason would another military and regional power be able to air-strike their naval base?
When Romani people were recruited into the Ottoman Army did they mostly fit in well with Army life?

[Haruhi Japan]

What is considered unrealistic? My nation uses some bizarre tactics/technology that you might find stupid, unrealistic, over the top, edgy, or all the above.

[Crookfur]

If all of a military and regional power's military were unresponsive to an enemy squadron for some reason would another military and regional power be able to air-strike their naval base?

Seriously leave us out of your godmoding nonsense.

This is not a question of realism but role-playing etiquette so you probably would be much better served talking to a role-playing mentor.

[The New California Republic]

If all of a military and regional power's military were unresponsive to an enemy squadron for some reason would another military and regional power be able to air-strike their naval base?

...what possible reason?? The only way that'd happen is if they are all dead or asleep, and trying to make that shit fly in an RP just isn't going to happen.

[Crookfur]

What is considered unrealistic? My nation uses some bizarre tactics/technology that you might find stupid, unrealistic, over the top, edgy, or all the above.

pretty much anything that doesn't or couldn't exist under our current understanding of science or would just flat out make no sense for a rational nation to do.

There is nothing wrong with using odd/fantastical stuff its just you might find it difficult getting folks to willingly interact with you if you aren't willing to make ammendments and allowances to fit in with more "grounded" nations.

[Haruhi Japan]

What is considered unrealistic? My nation uses some bizarre tactics/technology that you might find stupid, unrealistic, over the top, edgy, or all the above.

pretty much anything that doesn't or couldn't exist under our current understanding of science or would just flat out make no sense for a rational nation to do.

There is nothing wrong with using odd/fantastical stuff its just you might find it difficult getting folks to willingly interact with you if you aren't willing to make ammendments and allowances to fit in with more "grounded" nations.

I see, yeah I use giant robot squids and sludge grenades. I use technology that is not yet developed but imo that's the fun of it. Who wants to have a normal military like everyone else.

[Gallia-]

squid ink vs boomer

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[Superduperkid]

Wait.

If somebody finds a powerful metal and then uses it in their weapons but it’s modern times, is it still considered MT or realistic at all?