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by New Vihenia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:22 am
by Purpelia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:38 am
by Mitheldalond » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:25 pm
Purpelia wrote:In case anyone is interesting here is the background for the river battleship issue:
In the 1870's my region had a huge world depression event happening. As in there was no money to be had for military budgets. And before that there was a decade of relative peace where people figured they wouldn't need huge armies. Well, all that changed in the 1880's when a number of events happened that accelerated issues. And to cut a long story short the late 80's are the start of an arms race. Turning for a moment to geography Purpelia is a land of rivers. But so are, unsurprisingly my immediate neighbors. The largest and most promiment of these is the great white river which passes through Purpelia north to south before making a bend and flowing all the way east through both Bigtopias (my primary rival) and out into the eastern ocean. This river is massive. We are talking Danube/Nile/Mississippi/Yellow River etc. At its widest its as much as 10km wide. And it flows through a number of big and important cities on both sides of the border including the all important western hub and occasional capital of West Bigtopia Twin Mounds on the Lady. So, quite naturally an arms race develops around controlling and blocking this river. And these "river battleships" emerge as an attempt to create a literal immovable object to ensure none can pass.
by Purpelia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:27 pm
Mitheldalond wrote:As for your original question about the largest ship you could fit on a river, how deep is this river?
by Gallia- » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:25 pm
Mitheldalond wrote:Just build one (or more) of these in the river near your border, and you've basically won.
by Mitheldalond » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:41 pm
by The Manticoran Empire » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:46 pm
Mitheldalond wrote:Gallia- wrote:
Sure stopped the Japanese alright.
The first Japanese attack on the fort was on January 2nd, 1941. It was frequently shelled by Japanese heavy artillery for about 2 and a half months starting in mid February. From April 10th to May 6th it - and the other forts - were the only US controlled positions in the area (so no ability to resupply). The US garrison surrendered on May 6th, presumably from a lack of supplies, having taken zero casualties. The main guns had fired on Japanese forces on May 5th, and were destroyed by the American troops to prevent their capture.
In 1945, the fort was subjected to heavy air and naval bombardment, which as can be seen from present day photos, didn't do very much to it (the damage to the turret is from the US sabotage in 1941). The Americans decided to fill it with gasoline and diesel fuel and light the entire thing on fire - three times - rather than attempt an assault.
As long as you keep it supplied and don't let the enemy camp on the roof with tanker trucks full of napalm, it isn't going anywhere. And both of those are much easier to do when it's built on your nation's border, as opposed to several thousand miles away across the ocean.
by Mitheldalond » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:50 pm
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Mitheldalond wrote:The first Japanese attack on the fort was on January 2nd, 1941. It was frequently shelled by Japanese heavy artillery for about 2 and a half months starting in mid February. From April 10th to May 6th it - and the other forts - were the only US controlled positions in the area (so no ability to resupply). The US garrison surrendered on May 6th, presumably from a lack of supplies, having taken zero casualties. The main guns had fired on Japanese forces on May 5th, and were destroyed by the American troops to prevent their capture.
In 1945, the fort was subjected to heavy air and naval bombardment, which as can be seen from present day photos, didn't do very much to it (the damage to the turret is from the US sabotage in 1941). The Americans decided to fill it with gasoline and diesel fuel and light the entire thing on fire - three times - rather than attempt an assault.
As long as you keep it supplied and don't let the enemy camp on the roof with tanker trucks full of napalm, it isn't going anywhere. And both of those are much easier to do when it's built on your nation's border, as opposed to several thousand miles away across the ocean.
Uh...I think you mean 1942.
by Immoren » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:52 pm
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Gallia- » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:00 pm
by Republic of Penguinian Astronautia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:39 pm
by Gallia- » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:47 pm
by The Akasha Colony » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:48 pm
Republic of Penguinian Astronautia wrote:Are there any armored vehicles with the ability to be switched between wheels and tracks?
by Kassaran » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:19 pm
Mitheldalond wrote:In 1945, the fort was subjected to heavy air and naval bombardment, which as can be seen from present day photos, didn't do very much to it (the damage to the turret is from the US sabotage in 1941). The Americans decided to fill it with gasoline and diesel fuel and light the entire thing on fire - three times - rather than attempt an assault.
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Tristan noticed footsteps behind him and looked there, only to see Eric approaching and then pointing his sword at the girl. He just blinked a few times at this before speaking.
"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
by Shanghai industrial complex » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:46 pm
Mitheldalond wrote:Gallia- wrote:
Sure stopped the Japanese alright.
The first Japanese attack on the fort was on January 2nd, 1941. It was frequently shelled by Japanese heavy artillery for about 2 and a half months starting in mid February. From April 10th to May 6th it - and the other forts - were the only US controlled positions in the area (so no ability to resupply). The US garrison surrendered on May 6th, presumably from a lack of supplies, having taken zero casualties. The main guns had fired on Japanese forces on May 5th, and were destroyed by the American troops to prevent their capture.
In 1945, the fort was subjected to heavy air and naval bombardment, which as can be seen from present day photos, didn't do very much to it (the damage to the turret is from the US sabotage in 1941). The Americans decided to fill it with gasoline and diesel fuel and light the entire thing on fire - three times - rather than attempt an assault.
As long as you keep it supplied and don't let the enemy camp on the roof with tanker trucks full of napalm, it isn't going anywhere. And both of those are much easier to do when it's built on your nation's border, as opposed to several thousand miles away across the ocean.
by Gallia- » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:50 pm
Kassaran wrote:Mitheldalond wrote:In 1945, the fort was subjected to heavy air and naval bombardment, which as can be seen from present day photos, didn't do very much to it (the damage to the turret is from the US sabotage in 1941). The Americans decided to fill it with gasoline and diesel fuel and light the entire thing on fire - three times - rather than attempt an assault.
Kill it with fire taken to the fullest extent...
by Kazarogkai » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:29 pm
Triplebaconation wrote:I wonder if they're actual Adamites with the holy nudism and everything.
by Purpelia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:58 pm
by Radimostan » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:25 am
Purpelia wrote:You people need to remember the period for this. I am not designing a fort for use in WW2. This thing, be it a fortress or a battleship would be built in the period between 1890 and 1910. Construction techniques and capabilities of the time are comparatively rudimentary. And anything constructed would end up looking more like Fort Douaumont at Verdun than anything built in the 30's. So a giant brick structure with an artificial mountain worth of dirt piled on top to absorb shells and not a concrete box. Furthermore, this thing would have to be built in a wide open valley next to a major river with a propensity for semi regular seasonal flooding. And that's not exactly the sort of terrain that lends it self to massive concrete blocks or indeed massive constructions of any kind. The ground is simply too soft which would lead to sinking and end up costing insane amounts of money as I'd basically have to anchor this thing to the bedrock with 1900's technology. Unless of course I build it safely inland which entirely defeats the point.
Plus there is the strategic aspect in the fact that unless I build a whole string of forts along my entire border this thing can be bypassed cut off and stormed from behind relatively easily. Or, should I advance onward it can't provide any cover and fire support to my advancing units. Where as a battleship can do both just by driving back and forth in the river. Remember, nobody in the world knew that WW1 would be as static as it was. Everybody expected a repeat of the Napoleonic conflicts.
So overall I see a mobile warship, even if it is a silly 8kt river monitor to be a better investment.
by Purpelia » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:54 am
Radimostan wrote:Purpelia wrote:You people need to remember the period for this. I am not designing a fort for use in WW2. This thing, be it a fortress or a battleship would be built in the period between 1890 and 1910. Construction techniques and capabilities of the time are comparatively rudimentary. And anything constructed would end up looking more like Fort Douaumont at Verdun than anything built in the 30's. So a giant brick structure with an artificial mountain worth of dirt piled on top to absorb shells and not a concrete box. Furthermore, this thing would have to be built in a wide open valley next to a major river with a propensity for semi regular seasonal flooding. And that's not exactly the sort of terrain that lends it self to massive concrete blocks or indeed massive constructions of any kind. The ground is simply too soft which would lead to sinking and end up costing insane amounts of money as I'd basically have to anchor this thing to the bedrock with 1900's technology. Unless of course I build it safely inland which entirely defeats the point.
Plus there is the strategic aspect in the fact that unless I build a whole string of forts along my entire border this thing can be bypassed cut off and stormed from behind relatively easily. Or, should I advance onward it can't provide any cover and fire support to my advancing units. Where as a battleship can do both just by driving back and forth in the river. Remember, nobody in the world knew that WW1 would be as static as it was. Everybody expected a repeat of the Napoleonic conflicts.
So overall I see a mobile warship, even if it is a silly 8kt river monitor to be a better investment.
Wouldn't it be even better to have a whole river flotilla of smaller monitors?
by Austrasien » Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:45 am
New Vihenia wrote:Finally. First image of our new "Ramjet manpads"
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Pardon for the poor operator Image. The missile is basically Mistral but the Pyramidal shaped nose cone is not only to provide the seeker with its POV but also as the inlet shock cone. The booster stage will propel the missile to Ramjet working speed, then a sustainer, some Boron enriched grain starts and providing the thrust all the way to target. The rear fins are wraparound fin, while the canard is should be smaller but basically works like the good ol Igla or stinger.
by Socialist Macronesia » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:06 am
by Hrstrovokia » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:26 am
Socialist Macronesia wrote:I don't really understand much about naval combat, any good starting sources for someone who knows little to nothing about it?
by Purpelia » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:39 am
Socialist Macronesia wrote:I don't really understand much about naval combat, any good starting sources for someone who knows little to nothing about it?
by Taihei Tengoku » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:07 pm
Purpelia wrote:Socialist Macronesia wrote:I don't really understand much about naval combat, any good starting sources for someone who knows little to nothing about it?
https://www.youtube.com/user/Drachinifel/videos
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