NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[Triplebaconation]

It's not really a big deal.

[Ideal Britain]

Do conscripts make good or bad infantrymen?
What about porters?

[Gallia-]

If you need psychological maladjustants in your armee it's April 30 1945 and your Führer has just shot himself.
Edit: It's worth noting (probs for the six-hundred and sixty-sixth tiem) that the only times the German experiment of psychopaths and criminal elements faced Soviet line units the German psychopaths and criminals masquerading as a line unit got absolutely roflstomped.

It's civil war.
Also it's typically not murderers but people like idlers, drug users or drunk drivers

Fine for boring jobs that don't involve direct fighting, like driving forklifts and doing basic labors.

[Ideal Britain]

She runs up massive debts in his name, takes the car and all the savings and fucks off with jody.

tfw the battalion colonel is mopey because his wife of 28 years left him, taking $250k in life savings and the car, to go woo a bitcoin seller in Florida

"racking up massive debts" or taking a car is something else.

theyre the same thing

women go after men with high incomes or men who promise high incomes

which is why "double your money" scams work in the first place

Studies showing most women are in relationships purely for that reason?
Or that most women cheat?
If most women did "whore" would probably not be an insult in most societies.
Those women want men with high incomes without an emotional connection.
Most women want both.
Also there are other factors,
Soldiers would be considered less attractive than accountants if that was the only factor.

[Spirit of Hope]

If you need psychological maladjustants in your armee it's April 30 1945 and your Führer has just shot himself.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-a ... of-prisons

The US Army got around 240,000 new recruits for the 2003 to 2006 period. 4,000 of those were felony waivers. So about 1.5% of new recruits. That isn't growing your military to be "huge" and it certainly isn't "significant" numbers.

[Triplebaconation]

It's civil war.
Also it's typically not murderers but people like idlers, drug users or drunk drivers

Fine for boring jobs that don't involve direct fighting, like driving forklifts and doing basic labors.

Troops with moral waivers are decorated for valor at higher rates than those without. They also separate at slightly higher rates though - this largely disappears after a term of service. The difference is fairly negligible in either case.

Interestingly the more serious the moral waiver the better the outcome tends to be - you have to be fairly qualified to get a felony waiver.

[Purpelia]

my questions about wives and such pertain to military realism,
soldiers missing their wives and families is a common theme in history, literature and soldiers' diaries.

Why can Purpelia ask such questions then?

I did not ask a question. I posted a: "here is my story, tell me yours" invitation for discussion.

[Ideal Britain]

She runs up massive debts in his name, takes the car and all the savings and fucks off with jody.

tfw the battalion colonel is mopey because his wife of 28 years left him, taking $250k in life savings and the car, to go woo a bitcoin seller in Florida

"racking up massive debts" or taking a car is something else.

theyre the same thing

women go after men with high incomes or men who promise high incomes

which is why "double your money" scams work in the first place

Most women are also monogamous.

[Ideal Britain]

Fine for boring jobs that don't involve direct fighting, like driving forklifts and doing basic labors.

Troops with moral waivers are decorated for valor at higher rates than those without. They also separate at slightly higher rates though - this largely disappears after a term of service. The difference is fairly negligible in either case.

Interestingly the more serious the moral waiver the better the outcome tends to be - you have to be fairly qualified to get a felony waiver.

Yes because people want to feel like they're good people,
if someone is guilty about something they may want to prove themselves more.

[Ideal Britain]

Fine for boring jobs that don't involve direct fighting, like driving forklifts and doing basic labors.

Troops with moral waivers are decorated for valor at higher rates than those without. They also separate at slightly higher rates though - this largely disappears after a term of service. The difference is fairly negligible in either case.

Interestingly the more serious the moral waiver the better the outcome tends to be - you have to be fairly qualified to get a felony waiver.

It's very interesting.
What is your source?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The alt is ofc being in a Soviet Strafbat and get told to clear Finnish minefields with your feet for the actual troops.
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[Gallia-]

I'm pretty sure that's a myth.

Most shtrafbats ended up as labor battalions.

e: For Iran it's different though.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Just google it,you can simply find out on the wiki what Soviet Strafbat is.This is a special measure of the Soviet Union after the military loss in the early period of World War II.Although it may include other prisoners, it is usually soldiers who cooperate with Nazis after surrender. And most of the captured soldiers returned to the army normally.And the reward for these criminal soldiers is to be able to go back to the regular army.Why don't you want Google just with move your fingers?

Such wartime special measures cannot be used for conscription in peacetime.The combat effectiveness of the army consists of three things: weapons, discipline and the mastery of weapons.Common criminals have serious problems in discipline.And destroy the image of the army and lose honor, so that the excellent young people who are really willing to defend the country lose confidence in the army.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Just google it,you can simply find out on the wiki what Soviet Strafbat is.This is a special measure of the Soviet Union after the military loss in the early period of World War II.Although it may include other prisoners, it is usually soldiers who cooperate with Nazis after surrender. And most of the captured soldiers returned to the army normally.And the reward for these criminal soldiers is to be able to go back to the regular army.Why don't you want Google just with move your fingers?

A: I do not speak PRCinglish
B: Lol

[Immoren]

Do conscripts make good or bad infantrymen?
What about porters?

I think national servicemen and women don't appreciate being turned into alcoholic beverages.
*badumtish*

[Gallia-]

I suspect the "run through minefields" myth comes from the manner of Soviet attacks through minefields, which in American colloquial terms would be "bulling through", and Nazi misunderstandings thereof.

The soldiers being shot in the minefield or whatever weren't clearing the way through the minefield so much as they were attacking things on the other side of the minefield, having dismounted from their tanks and continued to follow their vehicles on foot, or attacking as infantry against an ambush. It's a perfectly legitimate method of attacking, and the Soviets at the time were and remained acutely aware that you could trade time for casualties. So is everyone else, or at least anyone who'd been stuck in a minefield except maybe Stormin' Norman. If they'd tried to clear the minefield under fire (as they did with UGVs) or worse, retreat, they would have lost more troops from Nazi mortars than if they just ran through the thing. You can say it happened due to poor reconnaissance since blundering across a minefield into a prepared ambush position is generally caused by that, but the most reasonable response is to dismount and attack through the minefield after being trapped in it.

Normally (at the time) you'd bypass the minefield by finding a clear spot or clear it with a mine breaching vehicle, such as a PT-34 with mine rollers, or a tele-tank. Or you use infantrymen at night to probe it with bayonets and clear a path prior to a morning assault, but that's a bit too chad for the RKKA.

Fine for boring jobs that don't involve direct fighting, like driving forklifts and doing basic labors.

Troops with moral waivers are decorated for valor at higher rates than those without. They also separate at slightly higher rates though - this largely disappears after a term of service. The difference is fairly negligible in either case.

Interestingly the more serious the moral waiver the better the outcome tends to be - you have to be fairly qualified to get a felony waiver.

True but these are really rare aren't they? What aspects are taken into account for moral waivers also? I assumed it's mostly just ASVAB scores and physical fitness, or do you need like a written statement and some character witnesses? I wonder what the ratio of approved to denied moral waivers are for various offenses, if there are data for that, though I guess that would be hard since there are probably a lot of waivers trawling around in recruiting units.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

This is a simplified account of how background checks work.
They are stricter in the Navy and Space Cavalry due to people spending a long time together on boats/in space craft.
no waver required
gambling

smoking tobacco

noise offences

parking offences

Shoplifting as a minor

Jaywalking

affray as a minor

watching pirate movies

Waiver required
theft as an adult

house burglary

Robbery as a minor

Involuntary manslaughter

Drunk driving

Dangerous driving

affray as an adult

assault

illegal weapons possession

Making pirate movies

tax evasion

Drug use (Except tobacco)

adultery

supplying drugs

Not allowed to join
molestation of a child under 13
rape
wounding of a child
wife-beating
Robbery against a woman, child or elderly person (whilst not being one yourself)
murder**
Armed house-burglary
Attempted rape
Attempted murder
Child abuse images
Controlling a child for prostitution
desertion (military offence)
draft-dodging

**
They’re allowed in the Royal international legion but that’s for parody reasons so I don’t really want comment on that, just the other things.

[New Vihenia]

Ok so... here is what i got.



This is a WIP of a PBV (Post Boost Vehicle) For my ICBM's. It's a single warhead (multis will come soon). It has large thruster, two liquid (Storable of course) propellant tank as it also have ability to do FOBS.

The important part however is the warhead. As seen the conical object with 2 spheres inside. I'm curious if there is ever any *real* cross section image of a MIRV'ed nuclear warhead ever published ?

All images i found so far are concepts. Nonetheless In this warhead. the right sphere is Primary fission and the left, smaller sphere is the secondary. The plan is to fashion more shell around it where i can put the Aerogel/cork material which will compress the secondary and therefore start the fusion.

[Mitheldalond]

Ok so... here is what i got.

(Image)

This is a WIP of a PBV (Post Boost Vehicle) For my ICBM's. It's a single warhead (multis will come soon). It has large thruster, two liquid (Storable of course) propellant tank as it also have ability to do FOBS.

The important part however is the warhead. As seen the conical object with 2 spheres inside. I'm curious if there is ever any *real* cross section image of a MIRV'ed nuclear warhead ever published ?

All images i found so far are concepts. Nonetheless In this warhead. the right sphere is Primary fission and the left, smaller sphere is the secondary. The plan is to fashion more shell around it where i can put the Aerogel/cork material which will compress the secondary and therefore start the fusion.

I found this. (That ISIS apparently stands for Institute for Science and International Security, not the terrorists.)

Generally though, I'd imagine detailed schematics of actual warheads would be extremely rare, as they're presumably - and rightly - highly classified. If you were hoping for pictures of real warheads that have been cut in half, I doubt you'll find any for the same reasons, as well as the issue of radioactivity. You might have some luck with older, very early bombs and such, but most likely nothing modern.

Honestly, I think that showing the internals of the warhead is an unnecessary level of detail unless it's special or unique in some way, otherwise they're all pretty much the same. It seems like the delivery vehicle / PBV is what's unique about your system, so I'd focus more on that than the warhead itself.

How long is this supposed to stay in orbit for? Unless it's supposed stay up for an extended duration, circling the earth multiple times, I think the solar panels are probably a waste of space and weight. They'll only work for half of a full orbit (on the day side of the planet), so depending on when and in which direction you launch, you may never even get to use them. You might be better off removing them and using the extra weight to fit a larger onboard battery.

Great looking model as always.

[New Vihenia]

I found this. (That ISIS apparently stands for Institute for Science and International Security, not the terrorists.)

Generally though, I'd imagine detailed schematics of actual warheads would be extremely rare, as they're presumably - and rightly - highly classified. If you were hoping for pictures of real warheads that have been cut in half, I doubt you'll find any for the same reasons, as well as the issue of radioactivity. You might have some luck with older, very early bombs and such, but most likely nothing modern.

Honestly, I think that showing the internals of the warhead is an unnecessary level of detail unless it's special or unique in some way, otherwise they're all pretty much the same. It seems like the delivery vehicle / PBV is what's unique about your system, so I'd focus more on that than the warhead itself.

How long is this supposed to stay in orbit for? Unless it's supposed stay up for an extended duration, circling the earth multiple times, I think the solar panels are probably a waste of space and weight. They'll only work for half of a full orbit (on the day side of the planet), so depending on when and in which direction you launch, you may never even get to use them. You might be better off removing them and using the extra weight to fit a larger onboard battery.

Great looking model as always.

Thanks and no, that's not a Solar panel but network of antenna. That upon release of warhead, the Bus will execute maneuver which will align the antenna with multiple points of reference e.g Stars and something like GPS/GLONASS Satellite. That would ensure high accuracy for the warhead.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I found this. (That ISIS apparently stands for Institute for Science and International Security, not the terrorists.)

Generally though, I'd imagine detailed schematics of actual warheads would be extremely rare, as they're presumably - and rightly - highly classified. If you were hoping for pictures of real warheads that have been cut in half, I doubt you'll find any for the same reasons, as well as the issue of radioactivity. You might have some luck with older, very early bombs and such, but most likely nothing modern.

Honestly, I think that showing the internals of the warhead is an unnecessary level of detail unless it's special or unique in some way, otherwise they're all pretty much the same. It seems like the delivery vehicle / PBV is what's unique about your system, so I'd focus more on that than the warhead itself.

How long is this supposed to stay in orbit for? Unless it's supposed stay up for an extended duration, circling the earth multiple times, I think the solar panels are probably a waste of space and weight. They'll only work for half of a full orbit (on the day side of the planet), so depending on when and in which direction you launch, you may never even get to use them. You might be better off removing them and using the extra weight to fit a larger onboard battery.

Great looking model as always.

Thanks and no, that's not a Solar panel but network of antenna. That upon release of warhead, the Bus will execute maneuver which will align the antenna with multiple points of reference e.g Stars and something like GPS/GLONASS Satellite. That would ensure high accuracy for the warhead.

I thought it was a solar panel too ...FOBS is a very old concept,did you add such a large antenna to match this setting's time?
Look at the picture,is this a Tri-phase Thermonuclear Bomb?What is the diameter of this warhead you set?As always, your model is still so amazing.

[United Earthlings]

Thanks and no, that's not a Solar panel but network of antenna. That upon release of warhead, the Bus will execute maneuver which will align the antenna with multiple points of reference e.g Stars and something like GPS/GLONASS Satellite. That would ensure high accuracy for the warhead.

Couldn't find any supporting evidence that the antenna wouldn’t be anything but unnecessary weight as the ICBMs missile guidance and flight control system should be, self contained within inside the bus itself. Fitting a GPS/GLONASS receiver as part of the missile’s guidance (computer) system is possible, but is unlikely to increase the accuracy of the warheads themselves all that significantly.

What you should do and what I did is fit the warhead(s) themselves with their own separate guidance system, something equivalent to a JDAM kit is what I went for, for each warhead.

[Republic of Penguinian Astronautia]

What do you all think of USVs and how they could be useful? What do you think of how the USN is currently pursuing them?

[The New California Republic]

I'm curious if there is ever any *real* cross section image of a MIRV'ed nuclear warhead ever published ?

Not exactly what you are looking for, but you might find this useful:

[Albynau]

Years ago, I had always operated under the belief that the F-14 wasn't really marketed overseas and that the Iran sale was a unique one off. So I was somewhat shocked to learn (assuming that the random bits on the internet I read are accurate) that it had been considered by Canada, Japan, Israel, West Germany, and Australia and possibly others where it didn't win.

As far as I can tell, Canada and Australia went with the F-18 mostly on cost, but Japan and Israel went with the F-15 over the F-14. Why would these countries go with the F-15 over the F-14, whereas Iran went with the F-14 over the F-15?

I may or may not be looking for a completely contrived reason for my fictional country to select the F-14 based entirely upon watching Top Gun too many times.

Thank you in advance.