NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Does this military doctrine (https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Sharifistani_military_doctrine) make sense?

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Would if make sense for the special forces regiments to be described as Ghazis in a Muslim, formerly ottoman country?
E.G. Marines=Naval Ghazi Corps,
Army special forces=Royal Ghazi Regiment.

[Triplebaconation]

Not really.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Not really.

To which one?

[The Manticoran Empire]

Would if make sense for the special forces regiments to be described as Ghazis in a Muslim, formerly ottoman country?
E.G. Marines=Naval Ghazi Corps,
Army special forces=Royal Ghazi Regiment.

Ghazi is literally a Muslim Warrior who fights non-Muslims.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Does this military doctrine (https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Sharifistani_military_doctrine) make sense?

That's not a doctrine. That's a statement about the preferred method of warfare. Doctrine is defined by NATO as "Fundamental principles by which the military forces guide their actions in support of objectives. It is authoritative but requires judgement in application." (AAP-06 2019 NATO Glossary of Terms and Definitions). The doctrine of the United States Armed Forces, Joint Publication 1, is 176 pages long. It has 6 chapters and 5 appendices. A paragraph isn't a doctrine.

[Gallia-]

The page should just say "one long, three strongs, four quicks" or maybe "man over weapons".

[Triplebaconation]

Does this military doctrine (https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Sharifistani_military_doctrine) make sense?

That's not a doctrine. That's a statement about the preferred method of warfare. Doctrine is defined by NATO as "Fundamental principles by which the military forces guide their actions in support of objectives. It is authoritative but requires judgement in application." (AAP-06 2019 NATO Glossary of Terms and Definitions). The doctrine of the United States Armed Forces, Joint Publication 1, is 176 pages long. It has 6 chapters and 5 appendices. A paragraph isn't a doctrine.

Do what? JP1 is the "capstone publication for all joint doctrine." Doctrine is a very flexible term, with layers like the proverbial onion, and it can be anything from "get there firstest with the mostest" or hundreds of pages of bullshit.

That being said attacking with overwhelming force doesn't really say much at all. It's certainly a fundamental principle, but there aren't many conventional doctrines based on underwhelming force.

Ghazi literally means raider, with various religious and social connotations depending on the time and place. In Turkey it's something like a saint in the nationalist pantheon, either major ones like Ataturk or minor ones like disabled veterans. Calling your special forces that is either hubristic, saccharine, or corny depending on your perspective. It'd be like calling the SAS the Knights of the Round Table or renaming the Navy Seals to just "Heroes."

What is the Turkish equivalent of a Three Doors Down video?

[The Manticoran Empire]

SAS the Knights of the Round Table

That is a wonderful idea.

[Gallia-]

The S in SAS means Thank you for your service.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Would if make sense for the special forces regiments to be described as Ghazis in a Muslim, formerly ottoman country?
E.G. Marines=Naval Ghazi Corps,
Army special forces=Royal Ghazi Regiment.

Ghazi is literally a Muslim Warrior who fights non-Muslims.

Not necessarily. According to the Quran and Sunnah they could fight bandits who might be Muslim.
It comes from the word for “raid”.
Oh and turkey already uses the term for their soldiers killed or injured in action.

[United Earthlings]

If you're going to use ridiculous jargon please use it correctly. If you're in (more usually inside) the enemy's OODA loop you have the advantage and are less likely to be "D3/D4ed."

1. Since you understood the point I was trying to convey, that's the most important part, the rest just falling under the category of minutiae.
2. However, if the enlightenment of perfectionism is what you seek, then it shall be so. “Whether facing a lesser opponent, one that is a peer or even a larger one, keeping your forces hidden and/or mobile is considered the default. Your forces that are Static outside the OODA loop of your enemy tend to be forces that are Disrupted, Disorientated, Disabled, Destroyed also known as D3/D4ed.” Better? Happy now?
3. If ridiculous jargon was your main issue of contention with my post, then you’re complaining about it to the wrong person.
4. A good OODA Loop Monograph

If it's just to launch anti-ship missiles, these light frigates are still too big.

Hence why I also suggested the potential use of anti-ship missile armed Corvettes and also if Albynau decides that’s a route they want to go the light frigates could fulfill the role that’s currently assigned to by the larger Orizzonte and Bergamini (FREMM) classes. Basically, a 1 for 1 substitution so more of the smaller cheaper vessels can be procured, whatever those smaller cheaper vessels ultimately end up being.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

What do 2nd Lieutenants normally command?

What do Major-Generals usually command?

What do lance-corporals usually command?

[Spirit of Hope]

What do 2nd Lieutenants normally command?

What do Major-Generals usually command?

What do lance-corporals usually command?

A platoon, a division, a fire team or no one depending on how many lance corporals and privates you have.

[Triplebaconation]

Since you understood the point I was trying to convey, that's the most important part, the rest just falling under the category of minutia.

Human verbal comprehension is remarkably tolerant of syntax and fluency errors. Sometimes we're able to derive meaning even from complete gibberish based on context. For example, I understand that you actually mean "minutiae."

Sloppy writing places the burden on the reader. If you're capable of better it's just inconsiderate.

However, if the enlightenment of perfectionism is what you seek, then it shall be so. “Whether facing a lesser opponent, one that is a peer or even a larger one, keeping your forces hidden and/or mobile is considered the default. Your forces that are Static outside the OODA loop of your enemy tend to be forces that are Disrupted, Disorientated, Disabled, Destroyed also known as D3/D4ed.” Better? Happy now?

If your goal is to sound like a middle manager armed with an MBA from DeVry and PowerPoint 97 it's fine. Otherwise, it's stilted, grammatically clumsy, and unclear.

Something like "Static forces are easily bypassed or targeted and destroyed" would be far better. It's clear, concise, and targeted to an audience who most likely doesn't sit around reading monographs about the OODA loop from the transformation era.

Oh and turkey already uses the term for their soldiers killed or injured in action.

You have to survive to be a ghazi. In Turkey it's a high honorific conferred by the state. Your special forces would have to be pretty full of themselves to go around calling themselves Ghazis.

[Gallia-]

I only think in terms of "men over weapons" and broken-back wars.

[Kassaran]

What do 2nd Lieutenants normally command?

What do Major-Generals usually command?

What do lance-corporals usually command?

A platoon, a division, a fire team or no one depending on how many lance corporals and privates you have.

The names are generally associated with specific organizational structures, yes, but this isn't exactly always going to be correct. This is more dependent upon doctrine and what organizational elements are used in that service branch's order of battle.

[The Manticoran Empire]

What do 2nd Lieutenants normally command?

What do Major-Generals usually command?

What do lance-corporals usually command?

A second lieutenant will typically command a platoon or similar sized unit, though senior 2LTs can act as deputies to company level officers or as staff officers for battalion and higher level commands. A Major General will typically command a division or similar sized unit, though they can also be in command of military bases or specific departments. A lance corporal, on the other hand, is generally not going to have any real command authority. He or she may be selected to assist a squad leader in running part of the squad but that is not a given.

[Theodosiya]

How about 1st Lieutenant?

[Kassaran]

How about 1st Lieutenant?

Same stuff, Lieutenants cover platoon level administration, the Captains cover Company level, Majors can as well, but are generally executive officers under a Lieutenant Colonel in Army structural organization. The LTC's cover Battalions and full-bird Colonels cover Brigades, Regiments, and similar organizations. They'll also generally be in charge of sub-units under specific taskings, like Cyber Warfare Logistics under a General which covers that domain. That leads us to Generals which are generally the highest level of authority in the US Army command structure. They cover anything higher than a Brigade via various levels of distinction and titles. Brigadier Generals, as the name implies, can control Brigade-level elements, but usually are in command of a Division while awaiting their second star. A Two Star (Major General) will be placed in charge of a Corps, and a three Star (Lieutenant General) is in command of an Army or Theater. Four Stars (Generals) are basically the top-dogs in the food-chain and report to the President himself or their respective Congressmen which they lobby for funding.

That's as far as I can tell. There is also one rank above General which is General of the Army and is only issued in times of official war wherein their are multiple services and nations working together. Because the US likes to take a dominant role in administration (being in charge of logistics for most any operation), the designation of a General of the Army is a title as well as a Rank and has only been held by a select level of military leaders. I don't actually know the specific authority behind a Five-star, but I assume it has something to do with controlling all allied operations much as Eisenhower and MacArthur did during the Second World War and Korea respectively.

[Triplebaconation]

Rank is not necessarily a pyramid. Four-star generals are appointed to their office by the President, but that office typically doesn't report directly to the President. Instead they'll report to a more senior four-star (one of the combatant commands) or the Secretary of their branch.

They certainly don't report to Congress. Officers of any rank may appear before Congress for hearings (to justify the budget for a program they're running, for example) but Congress doesn't have any command authority.

A large number of officers won't command formations at all. They'll manage and staff various project offices.

[Immoren]

You don't command platoon, you lead it.

[Kassaran]

You don't command platoon, you lead it.

LT2 commands, LT1 leads.

[Immoren]

You don't command platoon, you lead it.

LT2 commands, LT1 leads.

Team=Lead
Squad=Lead
Platoon=Lead
Company=Chieftained
Battalion=Commanded
Brigade=Commanded
Division=Commanded
etc...


Actually this is just tongue in cheek about how different languages seem to work.
Still not sure why in Finnish company has chieftain instead of commander. I guess it's tribal nature that infantry company has. lol

[Gallia-]

when the company chieftain gets to blow the battalion war horn