NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[New Vihenia]

But it makes me wonder that the plane took off from the capital airport. As a skilled military commander, he must know that the direction is the airport.That plane is still a regular flight.I think it's either that everyone's drunk or that the commander thinks the capital has fallen.Or they're teaching monkeys to operate missiles.

Or they're all tired from a long shift.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Youre probably right, and of course robot doesn't get tired, but robot does have bugs...

[Ideal Britain]

Do ex-soldiers wifh peacekeeping experience make better police officers than someone whose first (full-time) job is policing?

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Do ex-soldiers wifh peacekeeping experience make better police officers than someone whose first (full-time) job is policing?

NSD or DASMO

[Purpelia]

Do ex-soldiers wifh peacekeeping experience make better police officers than someone whose first (full-time) job is policing?

Absolutely not. The job of a police officer is to be a friendly person of trust for the community he polices. Someone who the locals can trust and rely on to keep them safe and enforce both the law and local order.

A soldier on peacekeeping on the other hand is tasked with enforcing order as dictated by a foreign occupying power. He is NOT going to be trusted by the community he polices. Quite the contrary he is likely to be resented. So his response to being approached is rightly going to be very different from that of a police officer simply because he is far less likely to be asked to rescue a stuck cat than confronted with a suicide bomb.

So the two skill sets are NOT at all the same. Not unless your country is deeply horribly dysfunctional and requires occupation rather than policing. Or I guess if you are an evil dictatorship that wants to have jackbooted thugs walking the streets enforcing obedience to the regime.

[Gallia-]

Yes. Things like Patriot and Aegis already have a full automatic mode. For Aegis, the operator designates a sector, sets parameters for target engagement (velocity, altitude, etc. gates), and the computer launches automatically if something shows up that fits the parameters appears. For Patriot, there is a "to be engaged queue" which is a list of targets currently visible to the MPQ and it slowly goes down the list trying to kill everything in the queue provided it can fire on the target. The manual mode is that the operator uses a joystick to put the crosshairs over a target, selects it, and pushes a button labeled "Engage" which puts the target in the TBQ, then the computer tries to kill everything in the TBQ.

The RAF lost a Tornado IDS, the US Army lost a UH-60, and a the USN lost an F-18 to Patriot's full auto mode. AFAIK Aegis has never seen combat with the Special-AUTO mode.

AFAIK the Patriot's engagement scheme (i.e. operator designates, system shoots) and black box of algorithms is derived from Safeguard.

Their IFF must have been written by some Indian engineers boiling curry.

It was actually written by the men who got the only humans to the Moon.

The F-18 was misidentified as a Scud missile or something. Or maybe a Mi-8. Then it was put into the TBEQ by the operators.

The Tornado I think just had its IFF turned off. So the robot killed it.

Both had their IFFs turned off and the pilots probably forgot to turn them back on.

[Ideal Britain]

Absolutely not. The job of a police officer is to be a friendly person of trust for the community he polices. Someone who the locals can trust and rely on to keep them safe and enforce both the law and local order.

Isn't it good for peacekeepers to be on good terms with local civilians?

A soldier on peacekeeping on the other hand is tasked with enforcing order as dictated by a foreign occupying power.

Or an international organisation,
Sometimes the reason they are there is to enforce a ceasefire 2 groups in a country already agreed to

He is NOT going to be trusted by the community he polices

I think it depends, for example in the Yugoslav Wars, as I understand it, interactions between peacekeepers and Bosnian Muslims were mostly positive since the peacekeepers were there to stop a genocide against them.
It's
Quite the contrary he is likely to be resented. So

his response to being approached is rightly going to be very different from that of a police officer simply because he is far less likely to be asked to rescue a stuck cat than confronted with a suicide bomb.

True
So the two skill sets are NOT at all the same. Not unless your country is deeply horribly dysfunctional and requires occupation rather than policing.

Or I guess if you are an evil dictatorship that wants to have jackbooted thugs walking the streets enforcing obedience to the regime.

You're saying thugs make good peacekeepers?
by peacekeepers I meant UN peacekeepers etc.
Not the Roman Empire or IDF.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

No Statistical Difference

Difference at Small Margin Only

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Are attack drones, like ones that use anti-infantry flamethrowers/machine guns, fire anti-tank shells or fire AA missiles, viable in combat, assuming the use of lighter materials and smaller missiles/shells in a PMT setting?

[Spirit of Hope]

Are attack drones, like ones that use anti-infantry flamethrowers/machine guns, fire anti-tank shells or fire AA missiles, viable in combat, assuming the use of lighter materials and smaller missiles/shells in a PMT setting?

Are they autonomous or controlled?

The big problem with drones isn't the firepower they can carry, it is their ability to be controlled and conduct complex tasks.

[Purpelia]

Isn't it good for peacekeepers to be on good terms with local civilians?

In theory. In practice there is always going to be a segment of the local population that hates you. And you can't ever know if the guy approaching you is going to offer you a cigarette or shoot you in the gut. Which is obviously vastly different to police officers who in any reasonably healthy society newer have to fear such a situation. Even if 1% of the population is hostile that's quite enough to make behavior which in a police officer would be seen as insanely paranoid be quite reasonable.

Or an international organisation,
Sometimes the reason they are there is to enforce a ceasefire 2 groups in a country already agreed to

Which matters very little to the people on the ground, especially the more extreme elements who might not think the ceasefire is a good idea or all too binding. See what happened to the peacekeepers in places like Rwanda,

You're saying thugs make good peacekeepers?
by peacekeepers I meant UN peacekeepers etc.
Not the Roman Empire or IDF.

No, I am saying that the only time those two skill sets overlap at all is if you are an evil empire that uses thugs for both internal policing and occupation.

[Ideal Britain]

Does setting a legal limit on the ammount of alcohol soldiers can drink have a major impact on morale?

Does allowing 17 year old infantrymen cause significant problems?

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Does setting a legal limit on the ammount of alcohol soldiers can drink have a major impact on morale?

Does allowing 17 year old infantrymen cause significant problems?

No Statistical Difference

Difference at Small Margin Only

[Gallia-]

Are attack drones, like ones that use anti-infantry flamethrowers/machine guns, fire anti-tank shells or fire AA missiles, viable in combat, assuming the use of lighter materials and smaller missiles/shells in a PMT setting?

Probably.

[Immoren]

Does setting a legal limit on the ammount of alcohol soldiers can drink have a major impact on morale?

Does allowing 17 year old infantrymen cause significant problems?

No alcohol on garrison/on duty.
Outside garrison/off duty they can drink as much as they can as long as they can report back to duty on timely manner.
Child soldiers are obviously bad. *nods*

[Cossack Peoples]

Bit of an organizational problem here;
How many combat vehicles are in an armored company?

E.g., how many main battle tanks would typically be in one, compared to APC's or IFV's?

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Bit of an organizational problem here;
How many combat vehicles are in an armored company?

E.g., how many main battle tanks would typically be in one, compared to APC's or IFV's?

9-18

[Cossack Peoples]

Bit of an organizational problem here;
How many combat vehicles are in an armored company?

E.g., how many main battle tanks would typically be in one, compared to APC's or IFV's?

9-18

9-18 tanks, or vehicles total?

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

3x3+0=9
3x3+1=10

3x4+0=12
3x4+1=13
3x4+2=14

4x4+0=16
4x4+1=15
4x4+2=18

some other nuts options like
3x5+2=17 etc

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

9-18

9-18 tanks, or vehicles total?

tanks

minimum all other vehicles is probably 2, that's literally bare bones minimum. max could be something like 14 or 16 ish

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

tanks in platoon * # of platoons

[Immoren]

3x3+0=9
3x3+1=10

3x4+0=12
3x4+1=13
3x4+2=14

4x4+0=16
4x4+1=15
4x4+2=18

some other nuts options like
3x5+2=17 etc

I don't know why four four tank platoons didn't come to mind. Went for the "3x5+2=17" as largest option. lol
Have there been tank companies w/o tank(s) for HQ element or was that just a suggestion?

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

smallest possible tank company looks something like:

3 platoons of 3 tanks, let's say T-72B. in each platoon therefore 9 men (lol) x3=27 men total. each platoon led by a ssgt, no need for officer.

at company hq, led by captain, lieutenant his xo, they live in command apc with radio, lets say its mtlb. mtlb has a radio operator and a driver. that's 2 guys and 2 officers. in addition, company sgt major and truck driver drive an 8 ton with a trailer that has food in it.

total: 9 tanks, 1 MTLB, 1 truck and trailer, 31 other ranks and 2 officers. that's probably the smallest you could reasonable make it. of course it hasnt ambulance, or any fitters, or an admin section, or bridgecrossers, or x, or y, or z, but...

this company is independent for 24hrs, truck can carry injured persons, food, water, medicines, some spare parts for things like radio etc. some equipment like a chainsaw or dynamite or whatever.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

3x3+0=9
3x3+1=10

3x4+0=12
3x4+1=13
3x4+2=14

4x4+0=16
4x4+1=15
4x4+2=18

some other nuts options like
3x5+2=17 etc

I don't know why four four tank platoons didn't come to mind. Went for the "3x5+2=17" as largest option. lol
Have there been tank companies w/o tank(s) for HQ element or was that just a suggestion?

It's just a suggestion. It's pretty daft.

I also left out 3x3+2. Hmm

[Theodosiya]

4 tank platoon of four, plus Company CO Tank and Company VCO tank. Is this correct?

Dunno if should add a support platoon too. And maybe a Air Defense Vehicle too?