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by Danternoust » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:21 pm
by Arkandros » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:37 am
by Grand Indochina » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:32 am
by Spirit of Hope » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:43 am
Grand Indochina wrote:Thank you for answering my previous question, Gallia- and The Manticoran Empire.
New Questions :
- How much difference is the military specialist such as medic, technician... when compare to the common infantry ? Do these specialists have a different ranking system ? Can they take command of a small combat unit (squad, fireteam...) ?
Can these following tanks fare against the M1A2D (Abrams Tank upgraded with SEPv4) : T-55AM2B (Czech modernized T-55 Tank), Tiran-5Sh (Israelite upgraded T-55 Tank), PT-91 Twardy (Polish modified T-72 Tank), and T-84 (Ukrainian version of T-80 Tank).
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by Onekawa-Nukanor » Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:11 pm
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:Do we know much about the Rheinmetall Challenger 2 LEP upgrade? Is it much of a step up from the baseline Challenger 2?
by United Earthlings » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:36 pm
New Vihenia wrote:How the fuck I get the so called "Labor cost" and "Labor hours" in the first place? Like seriously.
You already denied my simplified approach using what is available in missile design books. If I do use US labor rate am I going to go through your long nonsense denial again?
Your desire for accuracy even goes beyond what you are able to muster yourself... isn’t it bit hypocrite?
And talking about Variable cost... again how the fuck it can be estimated in a conceptual design?
You have been technically unsound so far... Can't get around a simple definition of ramjet and now you demand something which probably blow your head away again in understanding. Is it too difficult to accept that My missile can cost what I calculate?
So you basically tell us to do the math? What could be gained by doing it? If the result turned out to be different to what you had in mind you will start the denial again.
by Triplebaconation » Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:26 pm
United Earthlings wrote:Then the only question remaining is do you wish to play this ever escalating condescending game that will only reveal are worst impulses at which point we might as well end the discussion here and now as we will accomplish nothing? Or would you prefer to have a civil discussion where we seek out if not some outright consensus or agreement at least some type of compromise? I leave the decision to you.
United Earthlings wrote:If your fixed costs to produce a single unit is higher than 2 million, which is more than likely than mathematically you’re never going to have a unit cost lower than your fixed costs even if you applied every saving you could to the variable costs that are part of the calculation. The exact ratio of variable costs to fixed costs you’ve yet to determine and which no one, but you can determine since it’s your nation but suffice to say even a fixed cost as low as 2 million would still result in a unit cost higher than two million since there is never going to be a variable cost that is zero.
United Earthlings wrote:On the learning curve cost calculation you provided, I have been able to determine where you went wrong. For starters, you need to understand that learning curves only apply to direct labor costs per unit and hence only in direct labor costs are where you would see potential savings, which is but one of the many components that is required to calculate variable costs.
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by New Vihenia » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:01 pm
United Earthlings wrote:You put in the time and do the work {research}, the same principle that applies to any project. Apply what you’ve learned to what would be applicable for the fictional nation you have created.
It’s understandable if you don’t know where to begin, so as I starting place I merely googled “Various labor costs of various countries in the 1980s” and among the first five results there was this one.
I’m beyond denial at this point, if you want to use what’s available in your missile design books, that’s fine with me, as that was never my point of contention. My issue was your apparent improper use of said formula, thereby resulting in an inaccurate calculation.
I leave it up to you to decide how much and at what level of realism you wish to embrace. If you feel US labor rates for the time period in question when your fictional nation is developing this design best reflects that reality, then it is so.
Oh, we’re back to the condescending, ok I was trying to avoid that, but if that’s the game you want to play I love me some table tennis.
{My ability to accept what you have calculated for your missile is equally proportional to you accepting you may have calculated the result incorrectly. Is that definition simple enough for you or would you prefer something more technical?}=End of condescension.
Then the only question remaining is do you wish to play this ever escalating condescending game that will only reveal are worst impulses at which point we might as well end the discussion here and now as we will accomplish nothing? Or would you prefer to have a civil discussion where we seek out if not some outright consensus or agreement at least some type of compromise? I leave the decision to you.
by Triplebaconation » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:45 pm
by The Manticoran Empire » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:06 pm
by The Manticoran Empire » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:17 pm
Grand Indochina wrote:Thank you for answering my previous question, Gallia- and The Manticoran Empire.
New Questions :
- How much difference is the military specialist such as medic, technician... when compare to the common infantry ? Do these specialists have a different ranking system ? Can they take command of a small combat unit (squad, fireteam...) ?
Can these following tanks fare against the M1A2D (Abrams Tank upgraded with SEPv4) : T-55AM2B (Czech modernized T-55 Tank), Tiran-5Sh (Israelite upgraded T-55 Tank), PT-91 Twardy (Polish modified T-72 Tank), and T-84 (Ukrainian version of T-80 Tank).
by Triplebaconation » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:38 pm
The Manticoran Empire wrote:So I only read a handful of those but from what I'm seeing...is there seriously an argument that cost reductions are impossible?
United Earthlings wrote:You put in the time and do the work {research}, the same principle that applies to any project.
United Earthlings wrote:If math is required, I would do the math myself.
United Earthlings wrote:one merely needs to establish what the specific relevant variables are first and input the data to make the calculation.
by The Manticoran Empire » Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:26 pm
Triplebaconation wrote:The Manticoran Empire wrote:So I only read a handful of those but from what I'm seeing...is there seriously an argument that cost reductions are impossible?
Not exactly. TLDR: NV is estimating unit costs of a made-up missile based on an empirically-validated model in widespread use. UE says NV's made-up costs are wrong because he hasn't fully simulated his made-up economy to UE standards, which are apparently based on misunderstandings of random small business management pages. NV is becoming irritated because UE is doing his Yoda act to cover up the fact he really doesn't know what he's talking about and demanding NV come to some sort of compromise or agreement with him in order to make NV look unreasonable.
Given NV's demonstrated ability to create and apply mathematical models, the situation is like a guy who's watched a couple of YouTube videos on changing oil a few minutes ago happening by demanding a mechanic take his unsolicited advice while the mechanic is working on his own car.
by The Manticoran Empire » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:16 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:41 am
by Gallia- » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:43 am
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:did I miss something?
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:45 am
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:49 am
by Gallia- » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:49 am
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:57 am
by Barfleur » Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:09 pm
Arkandros wrote:[nation][/nation]
Largely because, despite several millions (if not billions) in research and development as both jet and rocket fuel, no nation has ever successfully utilized a zip fuel. A small amount of research will lead you to the answer that boranes were too detrimental to jet engine operation and largely ineffective in rockets, which has condemned them to the massive pile of “cool ideas that don’t work as well as advertised”. That doesn’t mean you can’t use them and hand wave the problems, but its real world failure is almost certainly the reason it rarely gets brought up.
by Austrasien » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:16 pm
by Gallia- » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:42 pm
Arkandros wrote:[nation][/nation]
Largely because, despite several millions (if not billions) in research and development as both jet and rocket fuel, no nation has ever successfully utilized a zip fuel. A small amount of research will lead you to the answer that boranes were too detrimental to jet engine operation and largely ineffective in rockets, which has condemned them to the massive pile of “cool ideas that don’t work as well as advertised”. That doesn’t mean you can’t use them and hand wave the problems, but its real world failure is almost certainly the reason it rarely gets brought up.
by Republic of Penguinian Astronautia » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:56 pm
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