NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[Austrasien]

It is absolutely not worth buying lol

[Hrstrovokia]

It's also in Russian

[Gallia-]

libgen brassey's books

theyre in publisher limbo or something anyway so legally (and thus, contract morally) speaking buying second hand is literal theft anyway

[Hrstrovokia]

Dumb question, but is a mech infantry or motor rifle platoon going to need a dedicated radioman (I'm imagining some kind of manpack radio system with decent range), considering they will have radio equipment onboard their APCs/IFVs?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Dumb question, but is a mech infantry or motor rifle platoon going to need a dedicated radioman (I'm imagining some kind of manpack radio system with decent range), considering they will have radio equipment onboard their APCs/IFVs?

Probs have one of these to scream at platoon leaders and section leaders etc.

[New Vihenia]

It's also in Russian

really m8.

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Oh and We have a drone strike package.



The only manned part is the AEW. The strike package consist of 2 AEW/Surveillance drone that provide the situational awareness to the Strike UCAV's. The surveillance drone has limited processing capability to the radar but rather send their data into the AEW for the real processing to begin.

[Theodosiya]

I tthink I'll rework my TOE again, and do a duplicate too, to reflect the Armor, Infantry and Cavalry. Armor and infantry are usual, Cavalry use regiments, have high proportion of guns, etc...

In light of this, mechanized, motorized and armored cavalry regiment combat team?

Also, has this been posted here?

http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov12/01.html

[Allanea]

I tthink I'll rework my TOE again, and do a duplicate too, to reflect the Armor, Infantry and Cavalry. Armor and infantry are usual, Cavalry use regiments, have high proportion of guns, etc...

In light of this, mechanized, motorized and armored cavalry regiment combat team?

Also, has this been posted here?

http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov12/01.html

No, but it shouldn't be.

Suvorov's writings are known to be trash and full of outright lies and bullshit he invented for self-promotion.

[Republic of Penguinian Astronautia]

Help me please. I'm trying to build ranks for my armed forces. Here they are:
army, navy, airforce, cybersecurity

Somebody please answer this question!

[The Akasha Colony]

Help me please. I'm trying to build ranks for my armed forces. Here they are:
army, navy, airforce, cybersecurity

Somebody please answer this question!

What's wrong with IRL ranks?

[Crysuko]

Somebody please answer this question!

What's wrong with IRL ranks?

do ranks exist for a cyberwarfare division though. moreover, could standard military ranks be carried over?

[Crookfur]

What's wrong with IRL ranks?

do ranks exist for a cyberwarfare division though. moreover, could standard military ranks be carried over?

Probably although IIRC there was some discussion about the US army using modified SNCO ranks without any command authority or expectations for cyber warfare/General IT systems security personnel to bump pay although I think loads of folks also pointed out that these ranks already or had previously existed.

[The Akasha Colony]

What's wrong with IRL ranks?

do ranks exist for a cyberwarfare division though. moreover, could standard military ranks be carried over?

The US military manages just fine.

Most air forces just carried over the existing rank structure from the ground forces of their nation and they're hardly suffering for it.

The notion that separate ranks for different branches exist in the first place is not universal in the first place. It is common in the West, but in Asia ranks are usually the same between branches, with only "sea" or "land" added before the rank to distinguish branch affiliation.

[Theodosiya]

I tthink I'll rework my TOE again, and do a duplicate too, to reflect the Armor, Infantry and Cavalry. Armor and infantry are usual, Cavalry use regiments, have high proportion of guns, etc...

In light of this, mechanized, motorized and armored cavalry regiment combat team?

Also, has this been posted here?

http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov12/01.html

No, but it shouldn't be.

Suvorov's writings are known to be trash and full of outright lies and bullshit he invented for self-promotion.

Well, any better alternative, then?

[Hrstrovokia]

I've read the BMP-3 has room for RPGs and MANPADS, but it's hardly going to fit a RPG-29 and an AGS-30, is it? (Not together tho)

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I've read the BMP-3 has room for RPGs and MANPADS, but it's hardly going to fit a RPG-29 and an AGS-30, is it? (Not together tho)

The RPG is probs RPG-7 & variants. The RPG-29 is probably going to be carried by an MT-LBv and crew in the company-battalion HQ. The East-Germans had tank hunting formations with 100 mm AT guns towed by MT-LB's so I guess a similar arrangement could be made with RPG-29 replacing the role of the 100 mm MT-12.

[Spirit of Hope]

I've read the BMP-3 has room for RPGs and MANPADS, but it's hardly going to fit a RPG-29 and an AGS-30, is it? (Not together tho)

It could probably fit those inside along with the troops, but it would be cramped. The other answer is to just load them on the outside of the vehicle, while they would be exposed to enemy fire they aren't that likely to be hit, and won't damage the vehicle if damaged or destroyed.

[Peoples National Workers Union]

I'm now noticing that most nations don't like having transactions were the weapons are being bought by them and given to you through second hand measures while having unidentified personnel being trained at their bases (or just intelligence period)

O.O.C. (I'm not Gaddafi I swear)

[The Akasha Colony]

I'm now noticing that most nations don't like having transactions were the weapons are being bought by them and given to you through second hand measures while having unidentified personnel being trained at their bases or (just intelligence period)

Wow, what a shock.

[Peoples National Workers Union]

I'm now noticing that most nations don't like having transactions were the weapons are being bought by them and given to you through second hand measures while having unidentified personnel being trained at their bases or (just intelligence period)

Wow, what a shock.

i̶t̶s̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶T̶e̶r̶r̶o̶r̶i̶s̶m̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶c̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶T̶e̶r̶r̶o̶r̶i̶s̶m̶ ̶~̶

[Gallia-]

I've read the BMP-3 has room for RPGs and MANPADS, but it's hardly going to fit a RPG-29 and an AGS-30, is it? (Not together tho)

The RPG is probs RPG-7 & variants. The RPG-29 is probably going to be carried by an MT-LBv and crew in the company-battalion HQ. The East-Germans had tank hunting formations with 100 mm AT guns towed by MT-LB's so I guess a similar arrangement could be made with RPG-29 replacing the role of the 100 mm MT-12.

No.

Rapira's replacement would be a Javelin or Kornet or something. RPG-29 is more like a SPG-9 replacement. It protects the Kornets in close combat.

Then again T-12 doesn't really need replacement either, just new ammunition, if that. The advantage of the hypervelocity gun is that it needs little training, has a low profile, and assures a kill inside 1,500-2,000 meters when you yank the lanyard I suppose. A guided missile would do the same or similar but when the DDR existed those were still many years off.

[Theodosiya]

How much thing Suvorov said is true, and how mmuch is shit?

[Gallia-]

How much thing Suvorov said is true, and how mmuch is shit?

Soviet AirLand Battle Tactics is better than Inside the Soviet Army, but since the Soviet Army was too busy running agricultural operations out of their BMPs to ever do any training, any sort of heaping of accusations of incompetence or insinuation of low morale is going to be fairly accurate regardless of how you feel about the USSR. The allegedly superior Russian Army of the 2010s can't even take a border city of a much worse equipped and even more poorly trained neighbor. Hard to imagine how the Soviets could actually be worse, except that they couldn't take a Latvian police station barricaded with tables by a hundred peasants armed with literal broomsticks, using a motor infantry battalion equipped with grenade launchers and APCs, and somehow they actually managed to lose a whole platoon of troops during their version of Tienanmen Square/Hong Kong/Ferguson.

Allanea just dislikes Suvorov because he rejects the Mitrohkin Archive wholesale or something, which is actually a chad power move (akin to saying "no you lol" in response to a highly verbose rebuttal), rather than "poor methodology" or something. Anyone who knows anything about M-L knows that the USSR was pretty much waiting for the inevitable grand proletarian revolution after the Polish-Soviet War ended. All the chad alphas of the Bolshevik Revolution died of strokes or were machine gunned by Stalin, who was basically a big wimp, and so the expansionist revolutionary fervor died pretty much overnight. This doesn't require a book to say or anything since it would have been able to be pieced together by anyone with a decent library of Russian-Soviet histories in the late 1960s who was actually interested in the subject. J.F.C. Fuller talks about how the defeat of the RKKA pretty much destroyed the Russian's attempts to export the revolution. It's pretty clear that it was a solved question by the time the man defected, much less started writing, provided you're pruning your historical reading well.

Rezun wasn't writing for those people, though. He was writing for people who had already made up their minds and won't be convinced otherwise. Read it if you want but it's hard to make the argument that the USSR was going to invade Germany in 1941 and the Hitler invasion was a pre-emptive defensive war rather than a genocidal conquest. I suppose it fits perfectly in with the worldview of people raised on British "narrative history"/HIAG apologism produced by the likes of Beevor and Keegan, but no one who is seriously interested in the subject reads that. They read PDFs by the SMSO and later D. Glantz books, and stuff by other trained Slavicists or Particularly Clever Lads like Fuller. In that sense, not only did Rezun understand his audience completely, he was keenly perceptive of what they wanted ("Fresh" Takes on "Old" Memes).

OTOH, Rezun was really just a mediocre intelligence officer from a decaying 3rd world country who found a home in another decaying 3rd world country publishing tracts of the type that were being produced industrially by the historians already present. Consider that the man took ten years of schooling and soldiering to reach the dizzying heights of...Captain. Just how clever could he really be? But then he also resides in the country that awards knighthoods to unwitting, historically illiterate, chisel chinned Nazi sympathizers I guess, so for mediocre people with mediocre skills and talents performing mediocre work you couldn't really pick a better place than the Oxbridge history department.

The most interesting thing about Rezun is that he is a stereotypically Soviet/Russian/Ukrainian master of bullshitting I guess, but it's not worth a lot of time to spend upsorbing the contents of his books. The gist of his Inside the Soviet Army is generally accurate, while his WW2 histories are just rehashed conspiracy theories that were common in the Oxbridge community in the 1970s, source of origin: actual Hitlerites, Keegan, etc. None of his ideas are new or groundbreaking (maybe Inside the Soviet Army was for teenage boomers at the time) or whatever.

In general, the less written about someone on Wikipedia, the better they are. If you really want to read about interesting books by cool guys with hot and spicy takes read Perspectives on Infantry by LtCol-Dr. John English, PPCLI, and throw a dart at Christopher Bassford's or S.P. MacKenzie's or D.K. Brown's bibliography. Heck, I'm not even sure if LTC W.P. Baxter is known outside the vegetable clique that orbits the US Army's Combined Arms Library. While Britain produces good historians, of course, they're just not actual historians, they tend to be tradesmen-turned-historian like R.E. Simpkin and D.K. Brown and the various fellows at Shrivenham who wrote the Brassey's land warfare series, who fill their books with Interesting Anecdotes, Spicy Memes, and Old Man Stories. Then again no one actually knows those books exist unless they have a habit of reading library indices.

tl;dr It's not worth debunking Rezun's/Suvorov's writings because if you know enough to debunk his writings you know too much to be intelligible to his target audience, which is military trained Wehraboos and Guys At The Pub, in a similar vein to all other British popular historians at the time (the late 1970s) who were riding the coattails of John Keegan's financial success (Beevor might be the most successful of these although Niall Ferguson carries the torch nowadays). You'll just end up being a poster on forum.axishistory.com or NSMRC or some other "cursed history" website.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So uh...
1. An infantry and a cavalry regiment with copious machine guns and artillery on both sides surprise eachother by bivouacking a single km from eachother.
2. They both start shooting at eachother simultaneously as they discover eachothers' presence.
3. The Italians takes to the offensive on both horseback and foot
4. The Soviets fall back to secondary lines preparing for a counterattack.
5. The Soviet counterattack is sprung prematurely, masks their own machine-gun fire in the process, and straight into Italian horsed squadrons that are still rolling forward with gusto,
6. The Soviets leave 150 dead, 400+ prisoners, 40+ machine guns, 10 mortars and 4 regimental guns behind on the field as they break.
Uh... so... yeah...

[Spearos]

Somebody please answer this question!

What's wrong with IRL ranks?

I don't really understand how they work.