NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[Spirit of Hope]

You are making me drool, and keep thinking about breaking my IRL vehicle rule.

[Korva]

breaking my IRL vehicle rule.

Use the irl EBRC then.

[Anemos Major]

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[Yan Dynasty]

Beyond the Wikipedia articles, does anyone know of a place with an in-depth description on the structure and organization of Chinese armies prior to the invasion of China by the Mongols?

[Manokan Republic]

Beyond the Wikipedia articles, does anyone know of a place with an in-depth description on the structure and organization of Chinese armies prior to the invasion of China by the Mongols?

The Sun Tzu: The Art of War by Ralph Sawyer contains a lot of information on chinese history in general, but it is a rather vague source for such a specific point in time. I remember it detailing that military forces were divided in to groups of 5 generally, with a squad of 5 men, platoon of 25, company of 100, batallion of 500, and increasing more or less by the rule of 5, except for the company figure.

[Anemos Major]

Now feat. a statblock and rudimentary write-up detailing the thinking behind its creation.

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Type: Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle
Place of origin: Second Empire of Anemos Major

Service History
In service: 2017 -
Used by: Crown Army of Anemos Major, Daemyrtian Republican Army

Production History
Designer: Fierei Oblastinei IECpl/OTD Imperial Army - Fierei Detachment
Designed: 2011 - 2016
Manufacturer: Various
Produced: 2017 -

Specifications

DIMENSIONS
Weight: 16.6t (base combat weight), 18.7t (Level 1 Applique)
Length: 5.8m (hull), 7.1m (gun forward)
Width: 2.8m
Height: 1.8m (top of hull), 2.6m (commander's hatch)
Crew: 3 (commander, driver, gunner)

PROTECTION/ARMAMENT
Protection: Modular composite protection, Level 1 applique with frontal protection up to 20mm AP
Main armament: 45x290mm CTA M.38C L/66 automatic cannon (180 rounds, 40x290mm CTA APFSDS-T/GPSHE-T mix)
Secondary armament:
- 7.7x54mm MG3R1 machine-gun (co-axial, 1000 rounds, 7.7x54mm Ball/Tracer mix)
- 15x105mm CTA MG/H14 heavy machine-gun (RWS mounted, 300 rounds, Ball/Tracer, APHEI/Tracer or APDS/Tracer mix)
- Arteyr-M BLOS ATGM (4 tubes, can be mounted on either side of turret, replaceable with other compatible munitions)

MOBILITY
Engine: MA.360EL 11L VG-turbo 4-stroke V6 multifuel diesel, 480hp (750hp augmented with electrical power injection)
Power/weight: 25.7hp/t
Transmission: FMA THEL M.1050/P Hybrid Electro-Mechanical, in-hub drive units
Suspension: Hydropneumatic

PERFORMANCE
Ground clearance: Varies
Operational range: 850km combat range, internal tanks and batteries
Speed: 100kph (on-road), 75kph (off-road)


The vehicle is also license produced by Consitutional Republic of Daemyrs as the M17 Light Support Vehicle.

Description

The MA12 Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle is a variant of the MA12 family of 6x6 fighting vehicles, intended to provide light role Anemonian forces with a potent, mobile, and networked platform capable of rapid deployment alongside high readiness forces. The ~18t design fully exploits a range of innovative technology to maximise its utility in the field, utilising the powerful 45mm M.38 CTA autocannon alongisde a modular support weapon adaptor on a platform driven by a hybrid electro-mechanical transmission and in-hub drive units and protected by modular armour and soft/hard-kill arrays tailored to mission requirements.

Development of the vehicle commenced in 2011 in response to a memorandum by the Army Technical Directorate opining in favour of the development and production of a new family of lighter weight AFVs to better meet the Crown Army's existing capability gap. Replacing the planned introduction of the MA9A3 family of 8x8s, the vehicle was explicitly designed with a remit to develop and integrate future technological architectures; leaving development in 2016, it entered production in early 2017 as the MA12.

The MA12 CRV initially entered service with the Parachute Forces of the Crown Army; it has since been deployed with a wide range of other light role forces on high readiness taskings. As the lead vehicle of the MA12 program, it was the first to enter widespread service prior to the adoption of the other vehicles of its family, which continues to undergo further development and product improvement under the aegis of the Crown Army's integrated materiel procurement program.

[Kassaran]

It's so cute! ^^

Are there no variants with set ATGM or Radar additions?

[United Earthlings]

However, I'm wanting to know if it would just be more cost-effective to build more super-carriers, rather than going through the process of developing smaller, conventionally powered ships.

Technically speaking, given that your Navy has to meet a wide array of requirements, combining those missions would probably be the most cost effective solution.

Building a few smaller conventionally powered [Super]Carriers similar to the Queen Elizabeth class in size with half configured in the STOVL variant and the other half in the CATOBAR configuration would in my opinion be the most logical path to take today. By eliminating the nuclear requirement from your Super Carrier you’ll save money and time on developmental, building, maintenance and operational costs, but sacrifice some endurance.

If looking at it from a historical point of view should you wish to project this requirement for your navy into the past, during the 1970s and 1980s you have options like the American SCS design which influenced the Príncipe de Asturias design and her smaller cousin, Thailand's HTMS Chakri Naruebet. Then you have larger designs like the British Invincible-class.

Putting that aside, why does your nation have supercarriers? Is your navy the most powerful force in the world? Politically speaking, I think that's the only real justification one could have for constructing and operating thirteen of the monstrosities.

Politically speaking, any justification works fine as long as you can convince the politicians to fund said justification. At its height, the Commonwealth Navy constructed and operated 24 [Twenty-four] Super Carriers and while granted not all of them were nuclear powered nor all constantly deployed, the Commonwealth justified this huge expenditure on the political basis that the Navy had long dominated defense spending in the Commonwealth, hence the development of the long standing Commonwealth’s Navy One-Power doctrine which stated that the two largest naval powers capital ships constructed combined, should at the least be equal, but not exceeded by those constructed by the Commonwealth. In a world where a nation forgoes political alliances and views its navy as its first and last line of defense, one can be forgiven for justifying just about anything in the name of defense, sovereignty and above all freedom and liberty.

However, by the late 1980s, early 1990s as political tensions waned and priorities shifted including the discontinuance of the One-Power doctrine, the Commonwealth began the process of reducing its fleet size to more manageable levels which include a reduction in the size of the Carrier Fleet from its height of 24 to a goal of 8, the number it stands at today.

[Anemos Major]

It's so cute! ^^

Are there no variants with set ATGM or Radar additions?

Thanks! :3

There'll be no dedicated ATGM variant for now, I think - the four tubes on the combat recce variant should be enough. There will be a dedicated big-gun support variant with a 105mm gun, but that's less for fighting MBTs than it is for destroying anything below the MBT range (it is 2018, after all).

As far as radar is concerned, the CRV comes with a modular sensor mount to the right of the RWS - one of the options is a small battlefield radar.

[Taihei Tengoku]

I think I am happy now. Everyone is within a battalion and I think it has the ass to do brigade-like stuff while still being small enough to have granularity within a division.

[The Manticoran Empire]

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I think I am happy now. Everyone is within a battalion and I think it has the ass to do brigade-like stuff while still being small enough to have granularity within a division.

Very pretty.

[Republic of Penguinian Astronautia]

When mq-25s are added to aircraft carriers, what quantities are expected? How will this effect the carrying capacity for other aircraft? What numbers of different planes and helicopters do they carry anyway?

[The Akasha Colony]

When mq-25s are added to aircraft carriers, what quantities are expected?

Likely somewhere around a half-dozen per air wing. Enough to ensure at least one or two is always available.

How will this effect the carrying capacity for other aircraft?

It won't. USN carriers aren't anywhere close to full and haven't been for decades. Fitting a half-dozen drones each of which is already smaller than something like a Hornet is not an issue.

What numbers of different planes and helicopters do they carry anyway?

A good place to start.

[Republic of Penguinian Astronautia]

When mq-25s are added to aircraft carriers, what quantities are expected?

Likely somewhere around a half-dozen per air wing. Enough to ensure at least one or two is always available.

How will this effect the carrying capacity for other aircraft?

It won't. USN carriers aren't anywhere close to full and haven't been for decades. Fitting a half-dozen drones each of which is already smaller than something like a Hornet is not an issue.

What numbers of different planes and helicopters do they carry anyway?

A good place to start.

Thank you! On a similar note, what types of aircraft and landing craft are carried by different types of amphibious assault ships?

[Roskian Federation]

Likely somewhere around a half-dozen per air wing. Enough to ensure at least one or two is always available.



It won't. USN carriers aren't anywhere close to full and haven't been for decades. Fitting a half-dozen drones each of which is already smaller than something like a Hornet is not an issue.



A good place to start.

Thank you! On a similar note, what types of aircraft and landing craft are carried by different types of amphibious assault ships?

"12 MV-22B Osprey transports, six F-35B Lightning II STOVL multirole jet aircraft, four CH-53K heavy transport helicopters, seven AH-1Z/UH-1Y attack/utility helicopters, and two Navy MH-60S "Knighthawks" for air-sea rescue."

(right now it is implied that the USS America does not have LCAC/LST capability, but I may just be misreading)

For the America-class

a standard air combat element consists of six Harriers or six F-35B Lightning IIs and four AH-1W/Z Super Cobra/Viper attack helicopters for attack and support, twelve Ospreys and four Super Stallions for transport, and three or four Bell UH-1Y Venom utility helicopters.

three Landing Craft Air Cushion, twelve Landing Craft Mechanised, or 40 Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAVs), with another 21 AAVs on the vehicle deck.

For the Wasp-class

[Taihei Tengoku]

If it has a flight deck, the largest helicopters it can fit, usually also the largest helicopters in service. Bonus points for jump jets.

If it has a well deck it_depends. Hovercraft and LCUs are a must. Some countries also have amtracs but that's not universal. How many of what it can carry varies on the specific class but every one should carry at least one connector.

[Osentaria]

Well since is a military realism thread I must ask you fellow posters for advice and aide.
I am a nation with 23 and a third million peoples population, and a per capita of of 28 thousand. That makes a 6.524e11 GDP. My military makes up of 4% of my budget. With this in mind and if I am correct in my mathmatics, what type of military can I make? Navy wise, air force, ground forces. Im hoping for a highly mobile nation great for both defense and both offense, but more offense.

[Roskian Federation]

Well since is a military realism thread I must ask you fellow posters for advice and aide.
I am a nation with 23 and a third million peoples population, and a per capita of of 28 thousand. That makes a 6.524e11 GDP. My military makes up of 4% of my budget. With this in mind and if I am correct in my mathmatics, what type of military can I make? Navy wise, air force, ground forces. Im hoping for a highly mobile nation great for both defense and both offense, but more offense.

*sigh*

GDP: 653,333,324,000
Defence Spending: 26,133,332,960

The nearest budget equivalent is Australia

you'll be looking at a mostly defencive doctrine, look at your strategic threats, etc etc

The nearest expeditionary force spending is the UK at about double your proposed spending, so it may not be the best idea to build an expeditionary military

[The Akasha Colony]

(right now it is implied that the USS America does not have LCAC/LST capability, but I may just be misreading)

America doesn't have a well deck to handle landing craft so...

[Yan Dynasty]

Well since is a military realism thread I must ask you fellow posters for advice and aide.
I am a nation with 23 and a third million peoples population, and a per capita of of 28 thousand. That makes a 6.524e11 GDP. My military makes up of 4% of my budget. With this in mind and if I am correct in my mathmatics, what type of military can I make? Navy wise, air force, ground forces. Im hoping for a highly mobile nation great for both defense and both offense, but more offense.

Well, its kind of relative. First off, what is your neighborhood like, Osentaria? Are you surrounded by friendly powers or hostile adversaries? Also, what's your system of government and what political parties, if any, run the country? Your type of military can vary greatly depending on your answers since, as with most things, your country's political situation will directly affect the type of military you have.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Well since is a military realism thread I must ask you fellow posters for advice and aide.
I am a nation with 23 and a third million peoples population, and a per capita of of 28 thousand. That makes a 6.524e11 GDP. My military makes up of 4% of my budget. With this in mind and if I am correct in my mathmatics, what type of military can I make? Navy wise, air force, ground forces. Im hoping for a highly mobile nation great for both defense and both offense, but more offense.

What percentage of your GDP is your Budget?

[Osentaria]

Well since is a military realism thread I must ask you fellow posters for advice and aide.
I am a nation with 23 and a third million peoples population, and a per capita of of 28 thousand. That makes a 6.524e11 GDP. My military makes up of 4% of my budget. With this in mind and if I am correct in my mathmatics, what type of military can I make? Navy wise, air force, ground forces. Im hoping for a highly mobile nation great for both defense and both offense, but more offense.

*sigh*

GDP: 653,333,324,000
Defence Spending: 26,133,332,960

The nearest budget equivalent is Australia

you'll be looking at a mostly defencive doctrine, look at your strategic threats, etc etc

The nearest expeditionary force spending is the UK at about double your proposed spending, so it may not be the best idea to build an expeditionary military

highly interesting. May I also inject the fact that all the other nations have about the same stats?

Well since is a military realism thread I must ask you fellow posters for advice and aide.
I am a nation with 23 and a third million peoples population, and a per capita of of 28 thousand. That makes a 6.524e11 GDP. My military makes up of 4% of my budget. With this in mind and if I am correct in my mathmatics, what type of military can I make? Navy wise, air force, ground forces. Im hoping for a highly mobile nation great for both defense and both offense, but more offense.

Well, its kind of relative. First off, what is your neighborhood like, Osentaria? Are you surrounded by friendly powers or hostile adversaries? Also, what's your system of government and what political parties, if any, run the country? Your type of military can vary greatly depending on your answers since, as with most things, your country's political situation will directly affect the type of military you have.

My neighborhood is stable yet has a bit of tensions. Map wise my direct neighbors are allies and weaker than me, but 2 or 3 nations away are adversaries, and another only a small channel away. Government wise my government is basically the same as the UK's minus the monarchy. The monarchy was voted to be abolished by public referendum in the 60's. A semi nationalist liberal government has reigned supreme since 2002.

Well since is a military realism thread I must ask you fellow posters for advice and aide.
I am a nation with 23 and a third million peoples population, and a per capita of of 28 thousand. That makes a 6.524e11 GDP. My military makes up of 4% of my budget. With this in mind and if I am correct in my mathmatics, what type of military can I make? Navy wise, air force, ground forces. Im hoping for a highly mobile nation great for both defense and both offense, but more offense.

What percentage of your GDP is your Budget?

military takes up 4% of government spending. What percentage of my gdp is my government budget, I wouldn't know how to calculate. I am a massive roleplay newb.

[The Manticoran Empire]

What percentage of your GDP is your Budget?

military takes up 4% of government spending. What percentage of my gdp is my government budget, I wouldn't know how to calculate. I am a massive roleplay newb.

Well you Government Spending is not equal to your GDP, first of all. Rather, the budget is the amount of money your government spends and is really up to you. I can't tell you what kind of budget and equipment you can have until I know what your budget is.

[The Akasha Colony]

military takes up 4% of government spending. What percentage of my gdp is my government budget, I wouldn't know how to calculate. I am a massive roleplay newb.

Government spending in modern liberal democracies with moderate welfare states like the UK is generally around 35-40% of GDP. This can range higher in the case of more robust Scandinavian welfare states (Denmark's is roughly 50% and has ranged as high as 60%) and much lower in states with threadbare welfare states like the US (where federal spending is only 20% of GDP, although this excludes state-level expenditures which are significant in the US).

But as has been pointed out, government spending is not the same as GDP. If you are spending 4% of GDP you are spending $26 billion annually. If you are spending 4% of your budget and your budget is 40% of GDP (this assumes all expenditures are lumped in but this is a pedantic point anyway) then your budget is only $10.4 billion annually.

[Padnak]

I have returned.