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Is your country a country?

Objectively Yes
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77%
It depends on who you ask (EXPLAIN)
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14%
We're a micro-nation
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2%
Objectively no (explain)
9
5%
Other (explain)
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Australian rePublic
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Is your country a country?

Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:58 pm

At first you might think that this is a stupid question, but here me out

Well there a lot of places where if you ask if they're countries, and the answer is yes, or no, or maybe- depending on who you ask- and every one of those answers is correct.

Let's start with historical "countries" in these positions so that the Americans on this website can relate

America tried to gain Independence from England, and the Confederate states tried to gain Independence from the Union

The USA had the exact same status when fighting for Independence from the UK as the CSA when fighting from Independence from the USA, so in the meanwhile, until the war of Independence (or civil war) was won or lost, the status USA's and CSA's nationhood (respectively) was in limbo

Today that applies to nations such as Kosovo, South Ossetia, and... (I'm not naming every single one of these)
And speaking of England, when counting countries do you count it, Scotland and Wales separately, or as the single nation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? And if the former, do you count Northern Ireland?

And don't forget Northern Cyprus. Is Northern Cyprus (the Turkish part of the island) a country?

Thought that was the end of the complexity? Well you're wrong! You forgot to mention the Cook Islands, French Polynesia (Tahiti) etc.

Cook Islands has its own border control, currency, immigration laws etc., independent to those of New Zealand,but there is no such thing as Cook Islands citizenship or passport- they are citizens and passport holders of New Zealand, as they are sort-of kind a territory of that nation, or sort-of-kind-of an independent nation

French Polynesia (Tahiti) has a similar status with- you guessed it, France. Is French Polynesia independent or part of France?

And there are more examples like this

I almost Hong Kong and Macau. Are they countries?

And those who choose to recognise Taiwan can't (officially) recognise the People's Republic of China, and vice versa. So which is a country? Taiwan or PRC? Both?

What about Greenland?

Is Israel a country? Is Palestine a country? Are they both countries?

Now, back to the past:

Was the USSR a single country? Or was it a collection of countries?

And what about colonies? (Such as the colonies of England, Portugal, Spain, France, The Netherlands, etc.) Were colonies individual countries, or part of their colonisers?

Is West Sahara a country?

North and South Korea do not recognise eachother, so are they countries?

They have a similar status to the historical nations of North and South Vietnam, East and West Germany, etc. Were they countries?

And then you have nutcases people who plant flags in their basements, print a currency and declare themselves a country, and have absolutely zero recognition (this is a micro-nations)

Then you have unions like the European Union- and her members

So with so many crazy examples in the real world, where does your NationStates nation stand?
Universally recognised?
Universally unrecognised?
Semi-recognised?
Micronation?
Other?

Australian Republic is a universally recognised nation whose recognition is undisputable

Where does your "nation" stand?

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At the end of the day, you can call yourself a "country" as much as you want, but you won't actually qualify as one, unless OTHERS also agree with you
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Ex-Nation

Postby Karamiko » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:59 pm

Universally recognized.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Vietmihn » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:00 pm

Universally recognized.

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Ex-Nation

Postby KiraKira Land » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:03 pm

Yes, it is a country completely.
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Greater Miami Shores
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:09 pm

Greater Miami Shores, yes, a real world regional named nation, I base on real world statistics and facts, not a made up nation name.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Piste-Land » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:11 pm

Universally recognized.
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La Habana Cuba
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Postby La Habana Cuba » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:12 pm

La Habana Cuba, yes, a real world named nation, I base on real world statistics and facts, not a made up nation name.
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The UCOA
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Postby The UCOA » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:14 pm

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Ex-Nation

Postby Greater-Syria » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:17 pm

Universally recognized
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Cottony
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Postby Cottony » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:26 pm

Microstate. Though recognised by Cottonian Peoples, Canada, Estonia, UK and the Nordic countries.

We aren't a micronation. We are a sovereign country, just no other nations know us.

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East Mississippia
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Ex-Nation

Postby East Mississippia » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:46 pm

East Mississippia is universally recognized. The Confederate States of America and West Mississippia believe otherwise, though.
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Postby Gandoor » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:37 pm

Gandoor is a sovereign nation that is universally recognized, there are no disputes over the existence of this nation.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:09 am

We are universally-recognised. Like, really universal, not what stupid, racist humans call "universal" when what they're talking about is only on Earth. Every alien we encountered has recognised us as a nation, so have our counterparts from other universes.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:15 am

Universally recognized.
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Aldina
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Postby Aldina » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:18 pm

Prior to 1915, Aldina consisted of a number of loosely confederated sovereign states. When the Imperial Civil War broke out in 1912, the Imperial central government ended up conquering or otherwise absorbing all of these states; by 1915, they had all been declared provinces of the new Imperial state, and the Alden region was united for the first time in over a thousand years.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:30 pm

A city in the UK with devolved powers. Belief that Tinhampton is actually a sovereign state lies solely with the most die-hard of independence supporters who claim that Britain is enslaving the city (no more than 150 or so).
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Ex-Nation

Postby Endurtaka » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:33 pm

Yes, and it is recognized by the other nations in the alt-world.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:11 pm

Yes, TurtleShroom is recognized by other nations across Nationstates as a sovereign, independent country.
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Postby Nichidan » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:53 pm

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Postby Auzkhia » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:10 pm

In our universe, the Empire is one of the prominent and undisputed great powers. We are in Central Europe, and also have land in Africa and Pacific islands. The Empire is seen as the guarantor of European dominance. So, yes, we are a country, and everyone recognizes our sovereignty or they won't experience the heart, mind, and powerhouse of Europe.
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Postby Van Hool Islands » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:24 pm

Yes, although we share a monarch with the Netherlands (but we've been separate from the Kingdom of the Netherlands since 1978).
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Postby Zartobania » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:41 pm

Depends on who's asking. Only Zhouran, Russia, China, Belarus and Serbia recognizes Zartobania as a sovereign independent nation, meanwhile many Western nations such as the US refuse to recognize Zartobania as a legitimate nation since we refuse to bow down to these neo-colonialist imperialistic corporate-backed aggressors.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:15 pm

Zartobania wrote:
Depends on who's asking. Only Zhouran, Russia, China, Belarus and Serbia recognizes Zartobania as a sovereign independent nation, meanwhile many Western nations such as the US refuse to recognize Zartobania as a legitimate nation since we refuse to bow down to these neo-colonialist imperialistic corporate-backed aggressors.

You do realise that North Korea is considered a legitimate nation, along with Vietnam and Cuba, right?
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Shalotte
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Ex-Nation

Postby Shalotte » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:41 am

Shalotte is, indeed, a country. It has been a unified, unitary, independent country since 109 A.D., and no one has really had cause to call it otherwise since.

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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:39 am

EPHYRA: Is the Undying Empire a country?



Given that country lacks any solid definition, the Undying Empire would answer as such.

For all intents and purposes, of what people envision a country to be, Ephyra is a country. We operate with an independent, sovereign government. We possess an independent form of currency. We possess culture, history, a military, and other factors that one associates to a country.

As for international recognition, we are recognised by many nations as a country that exists, though a few do not. We disregard these few however, because a nation does not need other nations to say a few words in order to exist. Therefore recognition is not our goal but power and influence is. Even if a nation does not believe we exist as a country, they are forced to recognise our power projection.

Therefore, though this question can only ever be answered as 'depends who you ask', as there is no such definition in order to be completely recognised as a country, Ephyra is not a nation that particularly cares who 'officially' acknowledges our existence. We exist because we say we do, and we have the ability to back up those words.

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